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:: 2) Change Notifications are turned off. You can keep track of pages by adding them to your Watchlist. You can also configure that pages you edit are automatically added, this is what I use and find most helpful concerning feedback. On your Watchlist, pages with unseen changes are displayed in bold.

:: --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 15:55, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

::: Thank you very much for the tips! I'll be more methodical in general. Yesterday I was on a bit of a rampage, rapidly attempting to keep in mind and distribute our determinations about these related tunings across 18 different pages I think. It felt a bit like a private effort that would have no impact on anyone else, but I see now that other people were getting alerted of all the little edits I was making. Perhaps I should have left all the windows open in preview/draft mode until I finally satisfied with literally everything. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 16:26, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

:::: It's operators like me who have an eye the wiki's recent changes, to detect spamming and vandalism early. I think it's best to resist mass stylistic polishing. There's absolutely nothing wrong with editing pages where you feel something is wrong. However, when it comes to micro-editing for the sake of "absolute perfection", albeit with the best of intentions, without actually giving others some time for feedback, you're probably going to miss neutral quality criteria, unfortunately. So no problem so far... --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 20:01, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

== MODMuddles and Standardization of Muddle Listings ==

Hello, we've been talking about MOSes on the discord, and I'm interested in cataloging muddles that resemble well-known MOSes. So far, I've found that my preferred preferred Ionian scale- 1/1, 9/8, 5/4, 4/3, 3/2, 27/16, 15/8, 2/1- which I call the Dualharmonic Ionian Scale, is related to [[Wikipedia:Ptolemy's intense diatonic scale|Ptolemy's Intense Diatonic Scale]] in that they share the same three step sizes, but put two of the steps in the latter half of the scale in a different order. Because of that, I'm thinking of using the term "MODMuddle" to describe the relationship between these two [[muddle]]s. Since I'm trying to catalogue all of the good diatonic muddles at the moment, and since the Dualharmonic Ionian Scale and Ptolemy's Intense Diatonic Scale are essentially MODMuddles of one another, I'm trying to decide which one I should use as the standard muddle.

I mean, on one hand, the Dualharmonic Ionian Scale, as per the name, has every scale degree in the Tonic's overtone series or undertone series and also uses two identical tetrachords just like the Pythagorean Diatonic Scale. What's more, the Dualharmonic Ionian Scale actually seems to be the optimal form for the Ionian scale in terms of harmonic construction since the 27/20 wolf fourth is placed between the third and sixth scale degrees, and this has the effect of creating both a really strong VIm-IIm-VM-IM cadence and a really powerful deceptive cadence using the VIm chord, while the IVM chord is in some ways less likely to be accidentally tonicized on account of it having a more tense sound. On the other hand, Ptolemy's Intense Diatonic Scale has been known for a really long time, even though it is the Lydian mode of this scale that is harmonically optimized rather than the Ionian mode, which is unfortunate since Ionian mode is seen as the default diatonic mode.

Any thoughts? --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 22:25, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

: Hi Aura. Um. Was this message meant for someone else? What do you mean "on the discord"? I don't know about muddles (or any of this) really. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 23:51, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

:: The discord is the Xenharmonic Alliance Server on Discord. I contacted you because I thought you- or someone you're in contact with- might know more about muddles. Unfortunately, it appears I was mistaken about you possibly knowing. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 00:46, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

::: Oh, I see. I just wanted to make sure you didn't intend the message for someone else who wasn't going to receive it then.

::: I'm sure someone I know knows about muddles. It looks like the page for them was started by my old friend Andrew Heathwaite. But he's a bit reclusive.

::: I think I've joined this Discord you speak of. Thanks for bringing it to my awareness!

::: Anyway, I poked around your stuff a bit just now. I was delighted to see you've written about telicity. I was just listening through old compositions of mine this afternoon and one of them is called Telicity! It's not microtonal though. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 02:17, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

:::: Thanks! I'm glad my concepts are useful to someone. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 02:33, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

:::: Oh, and I'm glad to be of service! --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 02:34, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

== Stars... ==

I left you a comment on [[User talk:Cmloegcmluin/Sandbox]]. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 15:58, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

== Section header level ==

Just a reminder, the H2 level (<code>== Title ==</code>) is what we normally use for section headers (→ Help:Article guidelines #Heading levels). [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 00:48, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

: Thanks for letting me know about this, and for correcting it on my recent pages. I'll be cognizant of this moving forward. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 01:02, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

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 :: 2) Change Notifications are turned off. You can keep track of pages by adding them to your Watchlist. You can also configure that pages you edit are automatically added, this is what I use and find most helpful concerning feedback. On your Watchlist, pages with unseen changes are displayed in bold.
 :: --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 15:55, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
+::: Thank you very much for the tips! I'll be more methodical in general. Yesterday I was on a bit of a rampage, rapidly attempting to keep in mind and distribute our determinations about these related tunings across 18 different pages I think. It felt a bit like a private effort that would have no impact on anyone else, but I see now that other people were getting alerted of all the little edits I was making. Perhaps I should have left all the windows open in preview/draft mode until I finally satisfied with literally everything. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 16:26, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
+:::: It's operators like me who have an eye the wiki's recent changes, to detect spamming and vandalism early. I think it's best to resist mass stylistic polishing. There's absolutely nothing wrong with editing pages where you feel something is wrong. However, when it comes to micro-editing for the sake of "absolute perfection", albeit with the best of intentions, without actually giving others some time for feedback, you're probably going to miss neutral quality criteria, unfortunately. So no problem so far... --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 20:01, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
+== MODMuddles and Standardization of Muddle Listings ==
+Hello, we've been talking about MOSes on the discord, and I'm interested in cataloging muddles that resemble well-known MOSes.  So far, I've found that my preferred preferred Ionian scale- 1/1, 9/8, 5/4, 4/3, 3/2, 27/16, 15/8, 2/1- which I call the Dualharmonic Ionian Scale, is related to [[Wikipedia:Ptolemy's intense diatonic scale|Ptolemy's Intense Diatonic Scale]] in that they share the same three step sizes, but put two of the steps in the latter half of the scale in a different order.  Because of that, I'm thinking of using the term "MODMuddle" to describe the relationship between these two [[muddle]]s.  Since I'm trying to catalogue all of the good diatonic muddles at the moment, and since the Dualharmonic Ionian Scale and Ptolemy's Intense Diatonic Scale are essentially MODMuddles of one another, I'm trying to decide which one I should use as the standard muddle.
+I mean, on one hand, the Dualharmonic Ionian Scale, as per the name, has every scale degree in the Tonic's overtone series or undertone series and also uses two identical tetrachords just like the Pythagorean Diatonic Scale.  What's more, the Dualharmonic Ionian Scale actually seems to be the optimal form for the Ionian scale in terms of harmonic construction since the 27/20 wolf fourth is placed between the third and sixth scale degrees, and this has the effect of creating both a really strong VIm-IIm-VM-IM cadence and a really powerful deceptive cadence using the VIm chord, while the IVM chord is in some ways less likely to be accidentally tonicized on account of it having a more tense sound.  On the other hand, Ptolemy's Intense Diatonic Scale has been known for a really long time, even though it is the Lydian mode of this scale that is harmonically optimized rather than the Ionian mode, which is unfortunate since Ionian mode is seen as the default diatonic mode.
+Any thoughts? --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 22:25, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
+: Hi Aura. Um. Was this message meant for someone else? What do you mean "on the discord"? I don't know about muddles (or any of this) really. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 23:51, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
+:: The discord is the Xenharmonic Alliance Server on Discord.  I contacted you because I thought you- or someone you're in contact with- might know more about muddles.  Unfortunately, it appears I was mistaken about you possibly knowing. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 00:46, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
+::: Oh, I see. I just wanted to make sure you didn't intend the message for someone else who wasn't going to receive it then.
+::: I'm sure someone I know knows about muddles. It looks like the page for them was started by my old friend Andrew Heathwaite. But he's a bit reclusive.
+::: I think I've joined this Discord you speak of. Thanks for bringing it to my awareness!
+::: Anyway, I poked around your stuff a bit just now. I was delighted to see you've written about telicity. I was just listening through old compositions of mine this afternoon and one of them is called Telicity! It's not microtonal though. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 02:17, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
+:::: Thanks!  I'm glad my concepts are useful to someone. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 02:33, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
+:::: Oh, and I'm glad to be of service! --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 02:34, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
+== Stars... ==
+I left you a comment on [[User talk:Cmloegcmluin/Sandbox]]. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 15:58, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
+== Section header level ==
+Just a reminder, the H2 level (<code>== Title ==</code>) is what we normally use for section headers (→ Help:Article guidelines #Heading levels). [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 00:48, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
+: Thanks for letting me know about this, and for correcting it on my recent pages. I'll be cognizant of this moving forward. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 01:02, 6 March 2022 (UTC)