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::::: I'd say it's most probably a major third. In my opinion, the word "diatonic" does not add anything significant to the name (see wikipedia:Diatonic scale and wikipedia:Diatonic and chromatic), concerning "classic" see above. But I know and respect the central role of diatonic (if I got that right) in your theory, Aura. Of course, even "Major" and "third" are disputable, but in the interest of our readers, I think it is important that a few basic terms from outside are also used here, and in a way that is not too shocking at first.

:::::: From what I can see so far, "diatonic" as a label may potentially be useful when distinguishing intervals like 5/4 from other more complex 5-limit intervals in the same neighborhood. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 14:37, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

:::::: From what I can see so far, "diatonic" as a label may potentially be useful when distinguishing intervals like 5/4 from other more complex 5-limit intervals in the same neighborhood like 1594323/1280000 or even 164025/131072. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 14:37, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

:::::: Sorry about the numerous edits, took me a while to figure out how to say what I wanted to say, especially since some ideas for examples didn't really cut it... --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 15:00, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

::::::: I think "diatonic" is great as opposite to "chromatic", but isn't this limited to distinguish unison and semitone as the origin of a given step-sized interval? --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 15:25, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

::::::: <small>PS: Please don't apologize about your editing style, better invest in changing it. I, for example, often elaborate comments first in a different place and transfer them only when (if at all) I'm satisfied (especially if I'm expecting editing conflicts with co-commenters 😉).</small>

:::::::: As far as I'm aware, "Diatonic" can also contrast with names of other distinct scale types, such as "Neapolitan" and "Harmonic"- as per the more strict definition of "Diatonic" listed on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diatonic_scale Wikipedias article on the Diatonic Scale]. When viewed in this light, one can say that "Diatonic" intervals are the only types of intervals found in Diatonic scales, while "Harmonic" intervals are the intervals that characterize Harmonic scales, and "Neapolitan" intervals are the intervals that characterize Neapolitan scales. However, "Melodic" scales are an interesting case, as they are characterized by having one augmented fifth, and one diminished fourth, but in this case, we can use "Melodic" as a way of specifying those specific augmented and diminished intervals that show up in Melodic scales, such as [[25/16]] and [[32/25]]. I must also point out that 81/64 also counts as a "Diatonic" interval by this criteria, and furthermore, both 81/64 and 5/4 tend to occur in my Diatonic Scales, thus, to distinguish 5/4 from 81/64, we need an extra term. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 15:43, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

:::::::: Hmm... Since the 3-limit is the most important limit for navigation in terms of key signatures, how about we call Pythagorean intervals with an odd limit less that 1024 "Basic"? --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 16:17, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

::::::::: Sorry, I didn't want to discuss new categorizations of intervals here. The only thing I wanted to deals with is the usage of the word "classic". --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 16:37, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

:::::::::: Well then, let's carry this conversation elsewhere shall we? --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 16:49, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

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 ::::: I'd say it's most probably a major third. In my opinion, the word "diatonic" does not add anything significant to the name (see wikipedia:Diatonic scale and wikipedia:Diatonic and chromatic), concerning "classic" see above. But I know and respect the central role of diatonic (if I got that right) in your theory, Aura. Of course, even "Major" and "third" are disputable, but in the interest of our readers, I think it is important that a few basic terms from outside are also used here, and in a way that is not too shocking at first.
-:::::: From what I can see so far, "diatonic" as a label may potentially be useful when distinguishing intervals like 5/4 from other more complex 5-limit intervals in the same neighborhood. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 14:37, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
+:::::: From what I can see so far, "diatonic" as a label may potentially be useful when distinguishing intervals like 5/4 from other more complex 5-limit intervals in the same neighborhood like 1594323/1280000 or even 164025/131072. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 14:37, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
+:::::: Sorry about the numerous edits, took me a while to figure out how to say what I wanted to say, especially since some ideas for examples didn't really cut it... --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 15:00, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
+::::::: I think "diatonic" is great as opposite to "chromatic", but isn't this limited to distinguish unison and semitone as the origin of a given step-sized interval? --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 15:25, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
+::::::: <small>PS: Please don't apologize about your editing style, better invest in changing it. I, for example, often elaborate comments first in a different place and transfer them only when (if at all) I'm satisfied (especially if I'm expecting editing conflicts with co-commenters 😉).</small>
+:::::::: As far as I'm aware, "Diatonic" can also contrast with names of other distinct scale types, such as "Neapolitan" and "Harmonic"- as per the more strict definition of "Diatonic" listed on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diatonic_scale Wikipedias article on the Diatonic Scale].  When viewed in this light, one can say that "Diatonic" intervals are the only types of intervals found in Diatonic scales, while "Harmonic" intervals are the intervals that characterize Harmonic scales, and "Neapolitan" intervals are the intervals that characterize Neapolitan scales.  However, "Melodic" scales are an interesting case, as they are characterized by having one augmented fifth, and one diminished fourth, but in this case, we can use "Melodic" as a way of specifying those specific augmented and diminished intervals that show up in Melodic scales, such as [[25/16]] and [[32/25]].  I must also point out that 81/64 also counts as a "Diatonic" interval by this criteria, and furthermore, both 81/64 and 5/4 tend to occur in my Diatonic Scales, thus, to distinguish 5/4 from 81/64, we need an extra term. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 15:43, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
+:::::::: Hmm... Since the 3-limit is the most important limit for navigation in terms of key signatures, how about we call Pythagorean intervals with an odd limit less that 1024 "Basic"? --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 16:17, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
+::::::::: Sorry, I didn't want to discuss new categorizations of intervals here. The only thing I wanted to deals with is the usage of the word "classic". --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 16:37, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
+:::::::::: Well then, let's carry this conversation elsewhere shall we? --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 16:49, 9 October 2020 (UTC)