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[[Comma list]]: 64/63 | [[Comma list]]: 64/63 | ||
{{Mapping|legend= | {{Mapping|legend=3| 1 0 6 | 0 1 -2 }} | ||
{{Mapping|legend=5| 1 0 0 6 | 0 1 0 -2 }} | |||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~3 | |||
{{Mapping|legend= | |||
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[[Optimal tuning]]s: | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[ | * [[WE]]: ~2 = 1196.9552{{c}}, ~3/2 = 707.5215{{c}} | ||
: [[error map]]: {{val| | : [[error map]]: {{val| -3.045 +2.522 +3.952 }} | ||
* [[ | * [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 709.3901{{c}} | ||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +7. | : error map: {{val| 0.000 +7.435 +12.394 }} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 2, 3, 5, 12, 17, 22, 137bdd, 159bddd, 181bbddd }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 2, 3, 5, 12, 17, 22, 137bdd, 159bddd, 181bbddd }} | ||
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==== 7-limit extensions ==== | ==== 7-limit extensions ==== | ||
The second comma in the comma list defines which [[7-limit]] family member we are looking at: | The second comma in the comma list defines which [[7-limit]] family member we are looking at: | ||
* [[#Schism|Schism]] adds 360/343, for | * [[#Schism|Schism]] adds [[360/343]], for a tuning around [[12edo]]; | ||
* Dominant adds [[36/35]], for a tuning | * [[Meantone family #Dominant|Dominant]] adds [[36/35]], for a tuning between [[12edo]] and [[17edo|17c-edo]]; | ||
* [[#Quasisuper|Quasisuper]] adds [[2430/2401]], for a tuning between 17c-edo and [[22edo]]; | * [[#Quasisuper|Quasisuper]] adds [[2430/2401]], for a tuning between 17c-edo and [[22edo]]; | ||
* [[#Superpyth|Superpyth]] adds [[245/243]], for a tuning between 22edo and [[27edo]]; | * [[#Superpyth|Superpyth]] adds [[245/243]], for a tuning between 22edo and [[27edo]]; | ||
* [[#Quasiultra|Quasiultra]] adds 33614/32805, for a tuning between 27edo and [[32edo]]; | * [[#Quasiultra|Quasiultra]] adds [[33614/32805]], for a tuning between 27edo and [[32edo]]; | ||
* [[#Ultrapyth|Ultrapyth]] adds 6860/6561, for a tuning sharp of 32edo; | * [[#Ultrapyth|Ultrapyth]] adds [[6860/6561]], for a tuning sharp of 32edo; | ||
* Mother adds [[16/15]], for an exotemperament well tuned around [[5edo]]. | * Mother adds [[16/15]], for an exotemperament well tuned around [[5edo]]. | ||
These all use the same generators as archy. | These all use the same generators as archy. | ||
[[686/675]] gives beatles | [[25/24]] gives dichotic. [[686/675]] gives beatles. Those split the fifth in two. [[8748/8575]] gives immunized, splitting the twelfth in two. [[50/49]] gives pajara with a semi-octave period. [[392/375]] gives progress. [[6125/5832]] gives kangaroo. Those split the twelfth in three. [[250/243]] gives porcupine, splitting the fourth in three. [[126/125]] gives augene with a 1/3-octave period. [[4375/4374]] gives modus, splitting the fifth in four. [[3125/3024]] gives brightstone. [[9604/9375]] gives fervor. [[3125/2916]] gives sixix. [[3125/3087]] gives passion. Those split the generator in five in various ways. [[15625/15552]] gives catalan, splitting the twelfth in six. Finally, [[28/27]] gives blackwood and [[17496/16807]] gives [[gothic]], reducing the intervals of 3 and 7 to the same chain of 1/5- and 1/17-octave periods, respectively. | ||
Temperaments discussed elsewhere are: | Temperaments discussed elsewhere are: | ||
* ''[[Phlegyas]]'' (+10/9) → [[Very low accuracy temperaments #Phlegyas|Very low accuracy temperaments]] | |||
* ''[[Medusa]]'' (+15/14) → [[Very low accuracy temperaments #Medusa|Very low accuracy temperaments]] | |||
* ''[[Mother]]'' (+16/15) → [[Father family #Mother|Father family]] | * ''[[Mother]]'' (+16/15) → [[Father family #Mother|Father family]] | ||
* [[Dominant (temperament)|Dominant]] (+36/35) → [[Meantone family #Dominant|Meantone family]] | * [[Dominant (temperament)|Dominant]] (+36/35) → [[Meantone family #Dominant|Meantone family]] | ||
* ''[[ | * ''[[Dichotic]]'' (+25/24) → [[Dicot family #Dichotic|Dicot family]] | ||
* ''[[Immunized]]'' (+8748/8575) → [[Immunity family #Immunized|Immunity family]] | * ''[[Immunized]]'' (+8748/8575) → [[Immunity family #Immunized|Immunity family]] | ||
* [[Pajara]] (+50/49) → [[Diaschismic family #Pajara|Diaschismic family]] | * [[Pajara]] (+50/49) → [[Diaschismic family #Pajara|Diaschismic family]] | ||
* [[Augene]] (+126/125) → [[Augmented family # | * [[Augene]] (+126/125) → [[Augmented family #Septimal augmented (augene)|Augmented family]] | ||
* [[Porcupine]] (+250/243) → [[Porcupine family #Septimal porcupine|Porcupine family]] | * [[Porcupine]] (+250/243) → [[Porcupine family #Septimal porcupine|Porcupine family]] | ||
* | * [[Modus]] (+4375/4374) → [[Tetracot family #Modus|Tetracot family]] | ||
* ''[[Brightstone]]'' (+3125/3024) → [[Magic family #Brightstone|Magic family]] | * ''[[Brightstone]]'' (+3125/3024) → [[Magic family #Brightstone|Magic family]] | ||
* ''[[Passion]]'' (+3125/3087) → [[Passion family #Septimal passion|Passion family]] | * ''[[Passion]]'' (+3125/3087) → [[Passion family #Septimal passion|Passion family]] | ||
* ''[[Catalan]]'' (+15625/15552) → [[Kleismic family #Catalan|Kleismic family]] | * ''[[Catalan]]'' (+15625/15552) → [[Kleismic family #Catalan|Kleismic family]] | ||
* [[Blackwood]] (+28/27) → [[Blackwood family #Blackwood|Blackwood family]] | |||
* ''[[Gothic]]'' (+17496/16807) → [[17th-octave temperaments #Gothic|17th-octave temperaments]] | |||
The rest are considered below. | |||
==== Subgroup extensions ==== | ==== Subgroup extensions ==== | ||
Omitting prime 5, archy can be extended to the 2.3.7.11 subgroup by identifying 11/8 as a diminished fourth ( | Omitting prime 5, archy can be extended to the [[2.3.7.11 subgroup]] by identifying 11/8 as a diminished fourth (C–G♭). This is called supra, given in [[#Subgroup extensions_2|#Subgroup extensions]]. Discussed elsewhere is [[suhajira]] of the [[rastmic clan #Suhajira|rastmic clan]]. | ||
== Superpyth == | == Superpyth == | ||
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: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Syntonic–diatonic equivalence continuum #Superpyth (5-limit)]].'' | : ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Syntonic–diatonic equivalence continuum #Superpyth (5-limit)]].'' | ||
Superpyth, virtually the canonical extension, adds [[245/243]] and [[1728/1715]] to the comma list and can be described as {{nowrap| 22 & 27 }}. ~5/4 is found at +9 generator steps, as an augmented second ( | Superpyth, virtually the canonical extension, adds [[245/243]] and [[1728/1715]] to the comma list and can be described as {{nowrap| [[22edo|22]] [[&]] [[27edo|27]] }}. ~[[5/4]] is found at +9 generator steps, as an augmented second (C–D♯). In the [[11-limit]] it finds the ~[[11/8]] at +16 generator steps, as a double-augmented second (C–D𝄪). [[49edo]] remains an obvious tuning choice in either case. | ||
Extending superpyth to the [[13-limit]] is more diffcult. Tridecimal superpyth finds the ~[[13/8]] at +13 generator steps, as a double-augmented fourth (C–F𝄪), for which 27edo can be recommended as a tuning since it is the only [[13-odd-limit]] [[diamond monotone]] tuning. The other extension, called uberpyth, is more flexible with its tunings, but unfortunately tends to tune the 13 very sharp. | |||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | ||
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[[Optimal tuning]]s: | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[ | * [[WE]]: ~2 = 1197.0549{{c}}, ~3/2 = 708.5478{{c}} | ||
: [[error map]]: {{val| | : [[error map]]: {{val| -2.945 +3.648 -0.548 +2.298 }} | ||
* [[ | * [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 710.1193{{c}} | ||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +8. | : error map: {{val| 0.000 +8.164 +4.760 +10.935 }} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 17, 22, 27, 49, 174bbcddd }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 17, 22, 27, 49, 174bbcddd }} | ||
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=== 11-limit === | === 11-limit === | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | ||
Comma list: 64/63, 100/99, 245/243 | Comma list: 64/63, 100/99, 245/243 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 0 -12 6 -22 | 0 1 9 -2 16 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1197.0673{{c}}, ~3/2 = 708.4391{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 710.0129{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 22, 27e, 49 }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 22, 27e, 49 }} | ||
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Comma list: 64/63, 78/77, 91/90, 100/99 | Comma list: 64/63, 78/77, 91/90, 100/99 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 0 -12 6 -22 -17 | 0 1 9 -2 16 13 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1197.3011{{c}}, ~3/2 = 708.8813{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 710.3219{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 22, 27e, 49, 76bcde }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 22, 27e, 49, 76bcde }} | ||
Badness (Sintel): 1.02 | Badness (Sintel): 1.02 | ||
==== Uberpyth ==== | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | |||
Comma list: 64/63, 100/99, 144/143, 245/243 | |||
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 0 -12 6 -22 26 | 0 1 9 -2 16 -14 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1196.6666{{c}}, ~3/2 = 708.3602{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 710.2878{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 22f, 27e, 49f, 125bcddeeeff, 174bbcdddeeeeffff }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.11 | |||
==== Thomas ==== | ==== Thomas ==== | ||
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Comma list: 64/63, 100/99, 169/168, 245/243 | Comma list: 64/63, 100/99, 169/168, 245/243 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 1 -3 4 -6 4 | 0 2 18 -4 32 -1 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1197.4942{{c}}, ~16/13 = 354.2950{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~16/13 = 354.9824{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 27e, 44, 71d, 98bde }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 27e, 44, 71d, 98bde }} | ||
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=== Suprapyth === | === Suprapyth === | ||
Suprapyth finds the ~11/8 at the diminished fifth ( | Suprapyth finds the ~11/8 at the diminished fifth (C–G♭), and finds the ~13/8 at the diminished seventh (C–B𝄫). | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | ||
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Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 99/98 | Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 99/98 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 0 -12 6 13 | 0 1 9 -2 -6 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1198.6960{{c}}, ~3/2 = 708.7235{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 709.4699{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 5, 17, 22 }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 5, 17, 22 }} | ||
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Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 65/63, 99/98 | Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 65/63, 99/98 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 0 -12 6 13 18 | 0 1 9 -2 -6 -9 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1199.9871{{c}}, ~3/2 = 708.6952{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 708.7028{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 5f, 17, 22 }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 5f, 17, 22 }} | ||
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== Quasisuper == | == Quasisuper == | ||
Quasisuper can be described as {{nowrap| 17c & 22 }}, with the ~5/4 mapped to -13 generator steps, as a double-diminished fifth ( | {{Main|Quasisuper}} | ||
Quasisuper can be described as {{nowrap| 17c & 22 }}, with the ~5/4 mapped to -13 generator steps, as a double-diminished fifth (C–G𝄫). The 11-limit version, quasisupra, can be viewed as an extension of the excellent 2.3.7.11-subgroup temperament [[supra]], with the quasisuper mapping of 5 thrown in, rather than the superpyth mapping of 5 (which results in suprapyth). | |||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | ||
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[[Optimal tuning]]s: | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[ | * [[WE]]: ~2 = 1196.9830{{c}}, ~3/2 = 706.4578{{c}} | ||
: [[error map]]: {{val| | : [[error map]]: {{val| -3.017 +1.486 -0.435 +6.190 }} | ||
* [[ | * [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 708.3716{{c}} | ||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +6. | : error map: {{val| 0.000 +6.417 +4.855 +14.431 }} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 17c, 22, 61d }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 17c, 22, 61d }} | ||
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=== Quasisupra === | === Quasisupra === | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | ||
Comma list: 64/63, 99/98, 121/120 | Comma list: 64/63, 99/98, 121/120 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 0 23 6 13 | 0 1 -13 -2 -6 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1197.5675{{c}}, ~3/2 = 706.7690{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 708.3200{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 17c, 22, 39d, 61d }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 17c, 22, 39d, 61d }} | ||
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Comma list: 64/63, 78/77, 91/90, 121/120 | Comma list: 64/63, 78/77, 91/90, 121/120 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 0 23 6 13 18 | 0 1 -13 -2 -6 -9 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1198.2543{{c}}, ~3/2 = 706.9736{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 708.0936{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 17c, 22, 39d }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 17c, 22, 39d }} | ||
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Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 2430/2401 | Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 2430/2401 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 0 23 6 -22 | 0 1 -13 -2 16 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1198.8446{{c}}, ~3/2 = 708.3388{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 708.0252{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 22 }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 22 }} | ||
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== Ultrapyth == | == Ultrapyth == | ||
{{ | {{Main| Ultrapyth }} | ||
: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Syntonic–diatonic equivalence continuum #Ultrapyth (5-limit)]].'' | |||
Ultrapyth can be viewed as an extension of the excellent 2.3.7.13/5 [[ | Ultrapyth can be viewed as an extension of the excellent 2.3.7.13/5 [[#Oceanfront|oceanfront]] temperament, mapping the ~5/4 to +14 fifths as a double-augmented unison (C–C𝄪). | ||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | ||
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[[Optimal tuning]]s: | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[ | * [[WE]]: ~2 = 1197.2673{{c}}, ~3/2 = 712.0258{{c}} | ||
: [[error map]]: {{val| | : [[error map]]: {{val| -2.733 +7.338 -1.557 -3.808 }} | ||
* [[ | * [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 713.5430{{c}} | ||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +11. | : error map: {{val| 0.000 +11.588 +3.288 +4.088 }} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 27c, 32, 37 }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 27c, 32, 37 }} | ||
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Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 2401/2376 | Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 2401/2376 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 0 -20 6 21 | 0 1 14 -2 -11 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1198.0290{{c}}, ~3/2 = 712.2235{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 713.3754{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 5, 32, 37 }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 5, 32, 37 }} | ||
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Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 91/90, 1573/1568 | Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 91/90, 1573/1568 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 0 -20 6 21 -25 | 0 1 14 -2 -11 18 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1198.1911{{c}}, ~3/2 = 712.4243{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 713.4684{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 5, 32, 37 }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 5, 32, 37 }} | ||
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Comma list: 64/63, 100/99, 3773/3645 | Comma list: 64/63, 100/99, 3773/3645 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 0 -20 6 -38 | 0 1 14 -2 26 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1197.2230{{c}}, ~3/2 = 712.1393{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 713.6928{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 5e, 32e, 37, 79bce }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 5e, 32e, 37, 79bce }} | ||
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Comma list: 64/63, 91/90, 100/99, 847/845 | Comma list: 64/63, 91/90, 100/99, 847/845 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 0 -20 6 -38 -25 | 0 1 14 -2 26 18 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1197.2739{{c}}, ~3/2 = 712.1893{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 713.7079{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 5e, 32e, 37, 79bcef }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 5e, 32e, 37, 79bcef }} | ||
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== Quasiultra == | == Quasiultra == | ||
Quasiultra is to ultrapyth what quasisuper is to superpyth. It is the {{nowrap| 27 & 32 }} temperament, mapping the ~5/4 to -18 fifths as a double diminished sixth ( | Quasiultra is to ultrapyth what quasisuper is to superpyth. It is the {{nowrap| 27 & 32 }} temperament, mapping the ~5/4 to -18 fifths as a double diminished sixth (C–A𝄫♭). | ||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | ||
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[[Optimal tuning]]s: | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[ | * [[WE]]: ~2 = 1196.9257{{c}}, ~3/2 = 709.6211{{c}} | ||
: [[error map]]: {{val| 0.000 +9.883 +0.608 +7.499 }} | : [[error map]]: {{val| 0.000 +9.883 +0.608 +7.499 }} | ||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200. | * [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 711.5429{{c}} | ||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +9.588 +5.914 +8.088 }} | : error map: {{val| 0.000 +9.588 +5.914 +8.088 }} | ||
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{{See also| Schismatic family #Schism }} | {{See also| Schismatic family #Schism }} | ||
Schism tempers out the [[schisma]], mapping the ~5/4 to -8 fifths as a diminished fourth ( | Schism tempers out the [[schisma]], mapping the ~5/4 to -8 fifths as a diminished fourth (C–F♭) as does any schismic temperament. 12edo is recommendable tuning, though 29edo (29d val), 41edo (41d val), and 53edo (53dd val) can be used. | ||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | ||
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[[Optimal tuning]]s: | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[ | * [[WE]]: ~2 = 1197.3598{{c}}, ~3/2 = 700.0126{{c}} | ||
: [[error map]]: {{val| | : [[error map]]: {{val| -2.640 -4.583 -4.896 +20.588 }} | ||
* [[ | * [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 701.7376{{c}} | ||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -0. | : error map: {{val| 0.000 -0.217 -0.214 +27.699 }} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5c, 7c, 12 }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5c, 7c, 12 }} | ||
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Comma list: 45/44, 64/63, 99/98 | Comma list: 45/44, 64/63, 99/98 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 0 15 6 13 | 0 1 -8 -2 -6 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1196.1607{{c}}, ~3/2 = 699.8897{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 702.4385{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 5c, 7ce, 12, 29de }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 5c, 7ce, 12, 29de }} | ||
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== Beatles == | == Beatles == | ||
: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Beatles]].'' | : ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Beatles]].'' | ||
Beatles tempers out 686/675, which may also be characterized by saying it tempers out [[2401/2400]]. It may be described as the {{nowrap| 10 & 17c }} temperament. It splits the fifth into two neutral-third generators of 49/40~60/49; its [[ploidacot]] is dicot. 5/4 may be found at -9 generator steps, as a semidiminished fourth (C–Fd). 27edo is an obvious tuning, though 17c-edo and 37edo are among the possibilities. | |||
Beatles extends easily to the no-11 13-limit, as the generator can be interpreted as ~16/13, tempering out 91/90, 169/168, and 196/195. | |||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | ||
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[[Optimal tuning]]s: | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[ | * [[WE]]: ~2 = 1196.6244{{c}}, ~49/40 = 354.9029{{c}} | ||
: [[error map]]: {{val| | : [[error map]]: {{val| -3.376 +4.475 +2.682 -1.940 }} | ||
* [[ | * [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~49/40 = 356.0819{{c}} | ||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 + | : error map: {{val| 0.000 +10.209 +8.949 +6.847 }} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 17c, 27, 64b, 91bcd, 118bccd }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 17c, 27, 64b, 91bcd, 118bccd }} | ||
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Comma list: 64/63, 100/99, 686/675 | Comma list: 64/63, 100/99, 686/675 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 1 5 4 10 | 0 2 -9 -4 -22 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1196.7001{{c}}, ~49/40 = 355.1606{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~49/40 = 356.2795{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10e, 17cee, 27e, 64be, 91bcdee }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10e, 17cee, 27e, 64be, 91bcdee }} | ||
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Comma list: 64/63, 91/90, 100/99, 169/168 | Comma list: 64/63, 91/90, 100/99, 169/168 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 1 5 4 10 4 | 0 2 -9 -4 -22 -1 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1197.2504{{c}}, ~16/13 = 355.4132{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~16/13 = 356.3273{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10e, 27e, 37, 64be }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10e, 27e, 37, 64be }} | ||
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Comma list: 56/55, 64/63, 540/539 | Comma list: 56/55, 64/63, 540/539 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 1 5 4 2 | 0 2 -9 -4 5 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1195.4102{{c}}, ~11/9 = 354.0597{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~11/9 = 355.5207{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 17c, 27e }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 17c, 27e }} | ||
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Comma list: 56/55, 64/63, 78/77, 91/90 | Comma list: 56/55, 64/63, 78/77, 91/90 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 1 5 4 2 4 | 0 2 -9 -4 5 -1 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1195.9943{{c}}, ~11/9 = 354.2695{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~11/9 = 355.5398{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 17c, 27e }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 17c, 27e }} | ||
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Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 686/675 | Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 686/675 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 1 5 4 -1 | 0 2 -9 -4 15 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1197.9660{{c}}, ~49/40 = 356.1056{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~49/40 = 356.7075{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 27, 37 }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 27, 37 }} | ||
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Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 91/90, 169/168 | Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 91/90, 169/168 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 1 5 4 -1 4 | 0 2 -9 -4 15 -1 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1198.1741{{c}}, ~16/13 = 356.1582{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~16/13 = 356.7008{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 27, 37 }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 27, 37 }} | ||
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== Progress == | == Progress == | ||
{{Distinguish| Progression }} | |||
: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Progress]].'' | : ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Progress]].'' | ||
Progress tempers out [[392/375]] and may be described as {{nowrap| 15 & 17c }}. It splits the [[3/1|perfect twelfth]] into three generators of [[~]][[10/7]]; its [[ploidacot]] is alpha-tricot. The 11-limit extension simply equates the generator to [[16/11]], and the 13-limit extension further equates it to [[13/9]]. [[32edo|32c-edo]] gives an obvious tuning. | |||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | ||
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{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 5 6 | 0 3 -5 -6 }} | {{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 5 6 | 0 3 -5 -6 }} | ||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~10/7 | : mapping generators: ~2, ~10/7 | ||
[[Optimal tuning]]s: | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[ | * [[WE]]: ~2 = 1195.1377{{c}}, ~10/7 = 635.2932{{c}} | ||
: [[error map]]: {{val| | : [[error map]]: {{val| -4.862 +3.925 +12.908 -9.759 }} | ||
* [[ | * [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 638.0791{{c}} | ||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 + | : error map: {{val| 0.000 +12.282 +23.291 +2.700 }} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 2, 13, 15, 32c }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 2, 13, 15, 32c }} | ||
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Comma list: 56/55, 64/63, 77/75 | Comma list: 56/55, 64/63, 77/75 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 0 5 6 4 | 0 3 -5 -6 -1 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1195.4920{{c}}, ~10/7 = 635.5183{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 638.0884{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 2, 13, 15, 32c, 47bc }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 2, 13, 15, 32c, 47bc }} | ||
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Comma list: 56/55, 64/63, 66/65, 77/75 | Comma list: 56/55, 64/63, 66/65, 77/75 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 0 5 6 4 0 | 0 3 -5 -6 -1 7 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1195.0786{{c}}, ~10/7 = 635.0197{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 637.6691{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 15, 17c, 32cf }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 15, 17c, 32cf }} | ||
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Comma list: 26/25, 56/55, 64/63, 77/75 | Comma list: 26/25, 56/55, 64/63, 77/75 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 0 5 6 4 9 | 0 3 -5 -6 -1 -10 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1196.0245{{c}}, ~10/7 = 634.6516{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 636.9528{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 2f, 15f, 17c }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 2f, 15f, 17c }} | ||
Badness (Sintel): 1.35 | Badness (Sintel): 1.35 | ||
== Kangaroo == | |||
: ''For 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Kangaroo]].'' | |||
Kangaroo splits the [[3/1|perfect twelfth]] into three [[35/24]][[~]][[40/27]] generators; its [[ploidacot]] is alpha-tricot. The 11-limit extension simply equates the generator to [[16/11]]. This favors a particularly sharp diatonic fifth (around 710–720 cents) because otherwise the ~[[5/4]] will be too flat. | |||
Originally the canonical extension of 5-limit kangaroo was [[trienstonic clan #Parakangaroo|parakangaroo]], but it was decanonized in 2024 in favor of this extension because parakangaroo is an [[exotemperament]] that only supports the [[patent val]] of [[15edo]], while this extension is a bit more practical since it is at least low-medium accuracy and supports the [[patent val]]s of 15edo, [[17edo]] and [[32edo]]. | |||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | |||
[[Comma list]]: 64/63, 6125/5832 | |||
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 -3 6 | 0 3 10 -6 }} | |||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~35/24 | |||
[[Optimal tuning]]s: | |||
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1198.1767{{c}}, ~35/24 = 637.2914{{c}} | |||
: [[error map]]: {{val| -1.823 +9.919 -7.930 -3.514 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~35/24 = 638.1977{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +12.638 -4.336 +1.988 }} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 15, 32, 47b }} | |||
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 2.91 | |||
=== 11-limit === | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | |||
Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 245/242 | |||
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 0 -3 6 4 | 0 3 10 -6 -1 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1197.8893{{c}}, ~16/11 = 637.1922{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~16/11 = 638.2605{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 15, 32, 47b }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.65 | |||
== Fervor == | == Fervor == | ||
: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Fervor]].'' | : ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Fervor]].'' | ||
Fervor tempers out [[9604/9375]] and may be described as {{nowrap| 25 & 27 }}. It splits the [[6/1|6th harmonic]] into five generators of [[~]][[10/7]]; its ploidacot is beta-pentacot. The 11-limit extension simply equates the generator to [[16/11]]. [[27edo]] is about as accurate as it can be tuned. | |||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | ||
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[[Comma list]]: 64/63, 9604/9375 | [[Comma list]]: 64/63, 9604/9375 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 | {{Mapping|legend=1| 1 -1 7 8 | 0 5 -9 -10 }} | ||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~10/7 | |||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~7 | |||
[[Optimal tuning]]s: | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[ | * [[WE]]: ~2 = 1196.2742{{c}}, ~10/7 = 620.2918{{c}} | ||
: [[error map]]: {{val| | : [[error map]]: {{val| -3.726 +3.230 +4.980 -1.550 }} | ||
* [[ | * [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 622.3179{{c}} | ||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +9. | : error map: {{val| 0.000 +9.634 +12.826 +7.996 }} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 2, 25, 27 }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 2, 25, 27 }} | ||
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Comma list: 56/55, 64/63, 1350/1331 | Comma list: 56/55, 64/63, 1350/1331 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 -1 7 8 4 | 0 5 -9 -10 -1 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1195.4148{{c}}, ~10/7 = 619.7729{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 622.2525{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 2, 25e, 27e }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 2, 25e, 27e }} | ||
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Comma list: 56/55, 64/63, 78/77, 507/500 | Comma list: 56/55, 64/63, 78/77, 507/500 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 -1 7 8 4 12 | 0 5 -9 -10 -1 -16 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1195.6284{{c}}, ~10/7 = 619.6738{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 622.0631{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 2f, 27e }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 2f, 27e }} | ||
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{{See also| Dual-fifth temperaments #Dual-3 Sixix }} | {{See also| Dual-fifth temperaments #Dual-3 Sixix }} | ||
Sixix is related to the [[kleismic family]] in a way similar to the one between [[meantone]] and [[mavila]]. In both cases the generator is nominally a 6/5 and the complexity to generate major and minor chords is the same, but in sixix it is tuned extremely sharply, to the point where the 3rd and 5th harmonics are reached by going down instead of up, inverting the logic of chord construction. | Sixix tempers out 3125/2916 and may be described as {{nowrap| 25 & 32 }}. It is related to the [[kleismic family]] in a way similar to the one between [[meantone]] and [[mavila]]. In both cases the generator is nominally a 6/5 and the complexity to generate major and minor chords is the same, but in sixix it is tuned extremely sharply, to the point where the 3rd and 5th harmonics are reached by going down instead of up, inverting the logic of chord construction. Its ploidacot is gamma-pentacot. An important val not in the [[optimal ET sequence]] is 39c, that is, [[39edo]] using the second-best approximation of [[5/4]] (the 369-cent one inherited from [[13edo]]). | ||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | ||
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[[Optimal tuning]]s: | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[ | * [[WE]]: ~2 = 1198.9028{{c}}, ~6/5 = 337.1334{{c}} | ||
: [[error map]]: {{val| | : [[error map]]: {{val| -1.097 +9.086 -13.503 +2.508 }} | ||
* [[ | * [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~6/5 = 337.4588{{c}} | ||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +10. | : error map: {{val| 0.000 +10.751 -11.066 +5.762 }} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 18d, 25, 32 }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 18d, 25, 32 }} | ||
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Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 125/121 | Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 125/121 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 3 4 0 6 | 0 -5 -6 10 -9 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1198.5480{{c}}, ~6/5 = 337.1557{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~6/5 = 337.6000{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 25e, 32 }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 25e, 32 }} | ||
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Comma list: 40/39, 55/54, 64/63, 125/121 | Comma list: 40/39, 55/54, 64/63, 125/121 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 3 4 0 6 4 | 0 -5 -6 10 -9 -1 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1197.7111{{c}}, ~6/5 = 336.8391{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~6/5 = 337.5336{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 25e, 32f }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 25e, 32f }} | ||
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Comma list: 40/39, 55/54, 64/63, 85/84, 125/121 | Comma list: 40/39, 55/54, 64/63, 85/84, 125/121 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=0| 1 3 4 0 6 4 1 | 0 -5 -6 10 -9 -1 11 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1197.7807{{c}}, ~6/5 = 336.8884{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~6/5 = 337.5279{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 25e, 32f }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 25e, 32f }} | ||
Badness (Sintel): 2.00 | Badness (Sintel): 2.00 | ||
== Subgroup extensions == | |||
=== Supra (2.3.7.11) === | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.7.11 | |||
Comma list: 64/63, 99/98 | |||
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 6 13 | 0 1 -2 -6 }} | |||
{{Mapping|legend=4| 1 0 0 6 13 | 0 1 0 -2 -6 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1197.2650{{c}}, ~3/2 = 705.5803{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 707.4981{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 5, 12, 17, 39d, 56d }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 0.352 | |||
Scales: [[supra7]], [[supra12]] | |||
==== Supraphon ==== | |||
This extension maps [[13/11]] to the minor third (C–E♭), [[12/11]][[~]][[14/13]] to the augmented unison (C–C♯), and [[13/12]] to the diminished third (C–E𝄫). | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.7.11.13 | |||
Comma list: 64/63, 78/77, 99/98 | |||
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 6 13 18 | 0 1 -2 -6 -9 }} | |||
{{Mapping|legend=4| 1 0 0 6 13 18 | 0 1 0 -2 -6 -9 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1197.1909{{c}}, ~3/2 = 704.4836{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 706.4289{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 12f, 17 }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 0.498 | |||
Scales: [[supra7]], [[supra12]] | |||
=== Oceanfront (2.3.7.13/5) === | |||
This is the [[restriction]] of [[#Ultrapyth|ultrapyth]] to the 2.3.7.13/5 subgroup, mapping [[13/10]] to the major third. | |||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.7.13/5 | |||
[[Comma list]]: 64/63 ({{monzo| 6 -2 -1 0 }}), 91/90 ({{monzo| -1 -2 1 1 }}) | |||
{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 0 6 -5 | 0 1 -2 4 }} | |||
[[Optimal tuning]]s: | |||
* [[Tp tuning|Subgroup]] [[WE]]: ~2 = 1197.2656{{c}}, ~3/2 = 710.1993{{c}} | |||
* [[Tp tuning|Subgroup]] [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 711.7413{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 17, 22, 27, 32, 59 }} | |||
[[Tp tuning #T2 tuning|RMS error]]: 2.063 cents | |||
Scales: [[Oceanfront scales]] | |||
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