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{{Breadcrumb}}{{Infobox ploidacot|Ploids=1|Shears=1|Cots=2|Pergen=[P8, P4/2]|Forms=5, 9, 14, 19|Title=Alpha-dicot|Wedgie=2}}'''Alpha-dicot''' is a temperament archetype where the generator is a [[Interseptimal interval|semitwelfth]], two of which make a perfect twelfth of [[3/1]], and the period is a [[2/1]] octave. Equivalently, the generator could be a semifourth, two of which make a [[4/3]], so '''omega-dicot''' would mean the same thing. However, the preferred term is alpha-dicot.


'''Alpha-dicot''' is a temperament archetype where the generator is a [[Interseptimal interval|semitwelfth]], two of which make a perfect twelfth of [[3/1]], and the period is a [[2/1]] octave. Equivalently, the generator could be a semifourth, two of which make a [[4/3]].
Alpha-dicot temperaments usually generate the [[5L 4s]] MOS structure, named "semiquartal" after the semifourth generator, as well as the child scale [[5L 9s]]. Alpha-dicot temperaments tend to involve interseptimal intervals, which are in between conventional diatonic intervals.
 
Alpha-dicot temperaments usually generate the [[5L 4s]] MOS structure, named "semiquartal" after the semifourth generator, and the more accurate tunings generate [[5L 9s]]. Alpha-dicot temperaments tend to involve interseptimal intervals, which are in between conventional diatonic intervals.


== Intervals and notation ==
== Intervals and notation ==
Alpha-dicot temperaments can be notated using [[Hemipyth#Notation|hemipyth notation]] with the semiquartal nicknames.
Alpha-dicot notation is complicated as it conventionally requires either the introduction of new "[[hemipythagorean]]" ordinals or the use of scales other than the standard diatonic scale. As such, there is no universally accepted convention. Note and interval names are provided where alpha-dicot intervals align with standard monocot intervals (which use [[chain-of-fifths notation]]).


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|645.11
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|996.09
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| -3
| −4
|147.07
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| −3
|498.05
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| 249.02
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| 950.98
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|1,052.93
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| G
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|203.91
| 452.93
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|554.89
| 203.91
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|905.87
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| 6
|56.84
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|8
| 7
|407.82
| 656.84
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|major third
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|9
| 8
|758.80
| 407.82
|Gt
| E
|semiaugmented fifth
| major third
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|10
| 9
|1,109.78
| 158.80
|B
|  
|major seventh
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== Temperament interpretations ==
== Temperament interpretations ==
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=== Bug ===
=== Bug ===
[[Bug]] is an exotemperament, equating the neutral semitwelfth to 5/3. This means that 9/5 is the same interval (tempering out [[27/25]]), and the neutral semifourth represents both 6/5 and 10/9. This is clearly badly inaccurate, but is probably the best 5-limit interpretation of this ploidacot.
[[Bug]] is an exotemperament, equating the semitwelfth generator to 5/3. This means that 9/5 is the same interval (tempering out [[27/25]]), and the semifourth represents both 6/5 and 10/9. This is clearly badly inaccurate, but is probably the simplest (arguably) reasonable 5-limit interpretation of this ploidacot.


The best tunings tend to be around 940{{c}} for the semitwelfth, with a somewhat flat twelfth. This sets the semifourth to 260{{c}}, which is close to [[7/6]].
The best tunings tend to be around 940{{c}} for the semitwelfth, with a somewhat flat twelfth. This sets the semifourth to 260{{c}}, which is close to [[7/6]].


=== Semaphore ===
=== Semaphore ===
Given that bug sets the neutral semifourth close to 7/6, what happens if it is set equal to 7/6 in the 2.3.7 subgroup? Then, it is equated to [[8/7]], and [[49/48]] is tempered out. The neutral semitwelfth is equated to [[12/7]] and [[7/4]]. This is still an inaccurate temperament, but is on the edge as to whether it counts as exo.
Given that bug sets the semifourth close to 7/6, what happens if it is set equal to 7/6 in the 2.3.7 subgroup? Then, it is equated to [[8/7]], and [[49/48]] is tempered out. The semitwelfth is equated to [[12/7]] and [[7/4]]. This is still an inaccurate temperament, but is on the edge as to whether it counts as exo.


The best tunings tend to be around 950{{c}} here, with a far more accurate twelfth. But, just like how bug's semifourth generator was close to 7/6, this is close to [[26/15]].
The best tunings tend to be around 950{{c}} here, with a far more accurate twelfth. But, just like how bug's semifourth generator was close to 7/6, this is close to [[26/15]].


=== Barbados ===
=== Barbados ===
Here, the generator actually is 26/15, equated with [[45/26]]. This is a rather accurate temperament, tempering out the small comma of [[676/675]], but it is defined in the awkward 2.3.13/5 subgroup. The neutral semifourth here is [[15/13]][[~]][[52/45]].
Here, the generator actually is 26/15, equated with [[45/26]]. This is an accurate temperament, tempering out the unnoticeable comma of [[676/675]], but it is defined in the awkward 2.3.13/5 subgroup. The semifourth here is {{nowrap|[[15/13]][[~]][[52/45]]}}.


As the comma is so small, the best tunings are close to just. The semitwelfth is around 951{{c}}, leading to a near-just twelfth.
As the comma is so small, the best tunings are close to just. The semitwelfth is around 951{{c}}, leading to a near-just twelfth.