Xenharmonic Wiki

42edo: Difference between revisions

← Older edit
VisualWikitext
ArrowHead294 (talk | contribs)
15,213 edits
→21st century: Stephen Weigel's ''Ĥ̶̩̠̐Ä̶̝͙́̓Ȑ̸̢͒K̷̥̩͌͑!̵̙͆̄ THE BIBLICALLY ACCURATE ANGELS SING!'' (2025): Add live performance in Munich, Germany (2026)
 
(30 intermediate revisions by 8 users not shown)
Line 11: Line 11:
=== Odd harmonics ===
=== Odd harmonics ===
While not an accurate tuning on the full [[7-limit]], 42edo does an excellent job on the 2.9.15.7.33.39 [[k*N subgroups|2*42 subgroup]], having the same tuning on it as does [[84edo]]. On this subgroup 42 has the same [[comma]]s as 84.
While not an accurate tuning on the full [[7-limit]], 42edo does an excellent job on the 2.9.15.7.33.39 [[k*N subgroups|2*42 subgroup]], having the same tuning on it as does [[84edo]]. On this subgroup 42 has the same [[comma]]s as 84.
{{Harmonics in equal|42}}
{{Harmonics in equal|42}}
== JI approximation ==
{{Q-odd-limit intervals}}
=== Zeta peak index ===
{{ZPI
| zpi = 190
| steps = 41.9988672418690
| step size = 28.5721991759747
| tempered height = 2.689436
| pure height = 2.688894
| integral = 0.303886
| gap = 9.541545
| octave = 1200.03236539094
| consistent = 8
| distinct = 8
}}
== Regular temperament properties ==
{| class="wikitable center-4 center-5 center-6"
|-
! rowspan="2" | [[Subgroup]]
! rowspan="2" | [[Comma list]]
! rowspan="2" | [[Mapping]]
! rowspan="2" | Optimal<br>8ve stretch (¢)
! colspan="2" | Tuning error
|-
! [[TE error|Absolute]] (¢)
! [[TE simple badness|Relative]] (%)
|-
| 2.3
| {{monzo| 67 -42 }}
| {{mapping| 42 67 }}
| −3.89
| 3.88
| 13.57
|-
| 2.3.5
| 128/125, 5000000/4782969
| {{mapping| 42 67 98 }}
| −4.55
| 3.30
| 11.55
|-
| 2.3.5.7
| 64/63, 126/125, 6860/6561
| {{mapping| 22 35 51 62 }}
| −3.65
| 3.26
| 11.42
|}
=== Octave stretch ===
42edo’s inaccurate 3rd and 5th harmonics can be greatly improved through [[stretched and compressed tuning|stretching or compressing]] octaves. Both approaches work about equally well but in opposite directions, giving two quite different flavors of tuning to play with.
The following table compares three stretched tunings of 42edo:
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Tuning
! [[42ed257/128]]
! [[1ed28.7c|APS720jot]]
! [[zpi|189zpi]]
! [[42edo]]
|-
! Steps / octave
| ~41.77
| ~41.81
| ~41.83
| 42.00
|-
! Approximation<br>of harmonics
| great: 5<br>good: 2, 3, 7 <br>okay: <br>bad: 11, 13
| great: 5<br>good: 2, 3 <br>okay: 7, 11, 13 <br>bad:
| great: 5<br>good: 2, 13 <br>okay: 3, 11 <br>bad: 7
| great: 2, 7<br>good: <br>okay: 11 <br>bad: 3, 5, 13
|-
| colspan="5" | <span style="font-size: 0.75em;"><div style="text-align: center;">''“great” = 0-13% relative error • “good” = 13-27% • “okay” = 27-40% • “bad” = 40-50%''</div></span>
|}
The following table compares three compressed tunings of 42edo:
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Tuning
! [[42edo]]
! [[1ed28.5c|APS715jot]]
! [[191zpi]]
! [[ed255/128#42ed255/128|42ed255/128]]
|-
! Steps / octave
| 42.00
| ~42.10
| ~42.19
| ~42.24
|-
! Approximation <br>of harmonics
| great: 2, 7 <br>good: <br>okay: 11 <br>bad: 3, 5, 13
| great: 2 <br>good: 5, 7, 13 <br>okay: 3, 11 <br>bad:
| great: 5, 11, 13 <br>good: 2, 3 <br>okay: <br>bad: 7
| great: 3, 5, 11 <br>good: 2 <br>okay: 13 <br>bad: 7
|-
| colspan="5" | <span style="font-size: 0.75em;"><div style="text-align: center;">''“great” = 0-13% relative error • “good” = 13-27% • “okay” = 27-40% • “bad” = 40-50%''</div></span>
|}
For a more detailed comparison see [[Table of stretched 42edo tunings]].


=== Subsets and supersets ===
=== Subsets and supersets ===
Line 127: Line 22:
! #
! #
! Cents
! Cents
! colspan="3" |[[Ups and Downs Notation]]
! colspan="3" | [[Ups and downs notation]]
|-
|-
| 0
| 0
| 0.000
| 0.0
| P1
| P1
| perfect unison
| perfect unison
Line 136: Line 31:
|-
|-
| 1
| 1
| 28.571
| 28.6
| ^1, m2
| ^1, m2
| up unison, minor 2nd
| up unison, minor 2nd
Line 142: Line 37:
|-
|-
| 2
| 2
| 57.143
| 57.1
| ^^1, ^m2
| ^^1, ^m2
| dup 1sn, upminor 2nd
| dup 1sn, upminor 2nd
Line 148: Line 43:
|-
|-
| 3
| 3
| 85.714
| 85.7
| ^^m2
| ^^m2
| dupminor 2nd
| dupminor 2nd
Line 154: Line 49:
|-
|-
| 4
| 4
| 114.286
| 114.3
| ^<sup>3</sup>m
| ^<sup>3</sup>m
| trupminor 2nd
| trupminor 2nd
Line 160: Line 55:
|-
|-
| 5
| 5
| 143.857
| 143.9
| v<sup>3</sup>M
| v<sup>3</sup>M
| trudmajor 2nd
| trudmajor 2nd
Line 166: Line 61:
|-
|-
| 6
| 6
| 171.429
| 171.4
| vvM2
| vvM2
| dudmajor 2nd
| dudmajor 2nd
Line 172: Line 67:
|-
|-
| 7
| 7
| 200.000
| 200.0
| vM2
| vM2
| downmajor 2nd
| downmajor 2nd
Line 178: Line 73:
|-
|-
| 8
| 8
| 228.571
| 228.6
| M2
| M2
| major 2nd
| major 2nd
Line 184: Line 79:
|-
|-
| 9
| 9
| 257.143
| 257.1
| m3
| m3
| minor 3rd
| minor 3rd
Line 190: Line 85:
|-
|-
| 10
| 10
| 285.714
| 285.7
| ^m3
| ^m3
| upminor 3rd
| upminor 3rd
Line 196: Line 91:
|-
|-
| 11
| 11
| 314.286
| 314.3
| ^^m3
| ^^m3
| dupminor 3rd
| dupminor 3rd
Line 202: Line 97:
|-
|-
| 12
| 12
| 342.857
| 342.9
| ^<sup>3</sup>m3
| ^<sup>3</sup>m3
| trupminor 3rd
| trupminor 3rd
Line 208: Line 103:
|-
|-
| 13
| 13
| 371.429
| 371.4
| v<sup>3</sup>M3
| v<sup>3</sup>M3
| trudmajor 3rd
| trudmajor 3rd
Line 214: Line 109:
|-
|-
| 14
| 14
| 400.000
| 400.0
| vvM3
| vvM3
| dudmajor 3rd
| dudmajor 3rd
Line 220: Line 115:
|-
|-
| 15
| 15
| 428.571
| 428.6
| vM3
| vM3
| downmajor 3rd
| downmajor 3rd
Line 226: Line 121:
|-
|-
| 16
| 16
| 457.143
| 457.1
| M3, v4
| M3, v4
| major 3rd, down 4th
| major 3rd, down 4th
Line 232: Line 127:
|-
|-
| 17
| 17
| 485.714
| 485.7
| P4
| P4
| perfect 4th
| perfect 4th
Line 238: Line 133:
|-
|-
| 18
| 18
| 514.286
| 514.3
| ^4
| ^4
| up 4th
| up 4th
Line 244: Line 139:
|-
|-
| 19
| 19
| 543.857
| 543.9
| ^^4
| ^^4
| dup 4th
| dup 4th
Line 250: Line 145:
|-
|-
| 20
| 20
| 571.429
| 571.4
| ^<sup>3</sup>4, ^^d5
| ^<sup>3</sup>4, ^^d5
| trup 4th, dupdim 5th
| trup 4th, dupdim 5th
Line 256: Line 151:
|-
|-
| 21
| 21
| 600.000
| 600.0
| v<sup>3</sup>A4, ^<sup>3</sup>d5
| v<sup>3</sup>A4, ^<sup>3</sup>d5
| trudaug 4th, trupdim 5th
| trudaug 4th, trupdim 5th
Line 262: Line 157:
|-
|-
| 22
| 22
| 628.571
| 628.6
| vvA4, v<sup>3</sup>5
| vvA4, v<sup>3</sup>5
| dudaug 4th, trud 5th
| dudaug 4th, trud 5th
Line 268: Line 163:
|-
|-
| 23
| 23
| 657.143
| 657.1
| vv5
| vv5
| dud 5th
| dud 5th
Line 274: Line 169:
|-
|-
| 24
| 24
| 685.714
| 685.7
| v5
| v5
| down 5th
| down 5th
Line 280: Line 175:
|-
|-
| 25
| 25
| 714.286
| 714.3
| P5
| P5
| perfect 5th
| perfect 5th
Line 286: Line 181:
|-
|-
| 26
| 26
| 742.857
| 742.9
| ^5, m6
| ^5, m6
| up 5th, minor 6th
| up 5th, minor 6th
Line 292: Line 187:
|-
|-
| 27
| 27
| 771.429
| 771.4
| ^m6
| ^m6
| upminor 6th
| upminor 6th
Line 298: Line 193:
|-
|-
| 28
| 28
| 800.000
| 800.0
| ^^m6
| ^^m6
| dupminor 6th
| dupminor 6th
Line 304: Line 199:
|-
|-
| 29
| 29
| 828.571
| 828.6
| ^<sup>3</sup>m6
| ^<sup>3</sup>m6
| trupminor 6th
| trupminor 6th
Line 310: Line 205:
|-
|-
| 30
| 30
| 857.143
| 857.1
| v<sup>3</sup>M6
| v<sup>3</sup>M6
| trudmajor 6th
| trudmajor 6th
Line 316: Line 211:
|-
|-
| 31
| 31
| 885.714
| 885.7
| vvM6
| vvM6
| dudmajor 6th
| dudmajor 6th
Line 322: Line 217:
|-
|-
| 32
| 32
| 914.286
| 914.3
| vM6
| vM6
| downmajor 6th
| downmajor 6th
Line 328: Line 223:
|-
|-
| 33
| 33
| 942.857
| 942.9
| M6
| M6
| major 6th
| major 6th
Line 334: Line 229:
|-
|-
| 34
| 34
| 971.429
| 971.4
| m7
| m7
| minor 7th
| minor 7th
Line 340: Line 235:
|-
|-
| 35
| 35
| 1000.000
| 1000.0
| ^m7
| ^m7
| upminor 7th
| upminor 7th
Line 346: Line 241:
|-
|-
| 36
| 36
| 1028.571
| 1028.6
| ^^m7
| ^^m7
| dupminor 7th
| dupminor 7th
Line 352: Line 247:
|-
|-
| 37
| 37
| 1057.143
| 1057.1
| ^<sup>3</sup>m7
| ^<sup>3</sup>m7
| trupminor 7th
| trupminor 7th
Line 358: Line 253:
|-
|-
| 38
| 38
| 1085.714
| 1085.7
| v<sup>3</sup>M7
| v<sup>3</sup>M7
| trudmajor 7th
| trudmajor 7th
Line 364: Line 259:
|-
|-
| 39
| 39
| 1114.286
| 1114.3
| vvM7
| vvM7
| dudmajor 7th
| dudmajor 7th
Line 370: Line 265:
|-
|-
| 40
| 40
| 1142.857
| 1142.9
| vM7
| vM7
| downmajor 7th
| downmajor 7th
Line 376: Line 271:
|-
|-
| 41
| 41
| 1171.429
| 1171.4
| M7, v8
| M7, v8
| major 7th, down 8ve
| major 7th, down 8ve
Line 382: Line 277:
|-
|-
| 42
| 42
| 1200.000
| 1200.0
| P8
| P8
| perfect 8ve
| perfect 8ve
Line 388: Line 283:
|}
|}


Chords can be named using ups and downs as C upminor, D downmajor seven, etc. See [[Ups and Downs Notation #Chords and Chord Progressions]].
Chords can be named using ups and downs as C upminor, D downmajor seven, etc. See [[Ups and downs notation #Chords and chord progressions]].


== Notation ==
== Notation ==
Line 394: Line 289:
Assuming the natural notes form a [[chain of fifths]], the major 2nd is 8 edosteps and the minor 2nd is only one. The naturals create a [[5edo]]-like scale, with two of the notes inflected by a [[comma]]-sized edostep:
Assuming the natural notes form a [[chain of fifths]], the major 2nd is 8 edosteps and the minor 2nd is only one. The naturals create a [[5edo]]-like scale, with two of the notes inflected by a [[comma]]-sized edostep:


D * * * * * * * * E F * * * * * * * * G * * * * * * * * A * * * * * * * * B C * * * * * * * * D
D * * * * * * * E F * * * * * * * G * * * * * * * A * * * * * * * B C * * * * * * * D
 
D♯ is next to E. The notation requires ups and downs with three arrows, and if chords are to be spelled correctly four or more arrows may be required in certain cases. For example, a {{dash|1/1, 5/4, 3/2, 9/5|med}} chord with a root on the edostep midway between G and A would be written either as {{dash|v<sup>3</sup>G♯–v<sup>5</sup>B♯, v<sup>3</sup>D♯, vF♯|med}} or as {{dash|^<sup>3</sup>A♭, ^C, ^<sup>3</sup>E♭, ^<sup>5</sup>G♭}}. This is a dud dup-seven chord, written either as v<sup>3</sup>G♯vv,^^7 or as ^<sup>3</sup>A♭vv,^^7.


D♯ is next to E. The notation requires ups and downs with three arrows, and if chords are to be spelled correctly four or more arrows may be required in certain cases. For example, a {{dash|1/1, 5/4, 3/2, 9/5|med}} chord with a root on the key or fret midway between G and A would be written either as {{dash|v<sup>3</sup>G♯–v<sup>5</sup>B♯, v<sup>3</sup>D♯, vF♯|med}} or as {{dash|^<sup>3</sup>A♭, ^C, ^<sup>3</sup>E♭, ^<sup>5</sup>G♭}}. This is a dud dup-seven chord, written either as v<sup>3</sup>G♯vv,^^7 or as ^<sup>3</sup>A♭vv,^^7.
In this table, dup is equivalent to quidsharp, trup is equivalent to quudsharp, trudsharp is equivalent to quup, dudsharp is equivalent to quip, etc.
{{Ups and downs sharpness}}


Alternatively, sharps and flats with arrows borrowed from [[Helmholtz–Ellis notation]] can be used:
Alternatively, sharps and flats with arrows borrowed from [[Helmholtz–Ellis notation]] can be used:
Line 404: Line 302:
=== Sagittal notation ===
=== Sagittal notation ===
==== Best fifth notation ====
==== Best fifth notation ====
This notation uses the same sagittal sequence as [[35edo#Second-best fifth notation|35b]].
This notation uses the same sagittal sequence as [[35edo #Second-best fifth notation|35b]].


===== Evo flavor =====
===== Evo flavor =====
Line 427: Line 325:


==== Second-best fifth notation ====
==== Second-best fifth notation ====
This notation uses the same sagittal sequence as [[47edo#Sagittal notation|47-EDO]], and is a superset of the notations for EDOs [[21edo#Sagittal notation|21]], [[14edo#Sagittal notation|14]], and [[7edo#Sagittal notation|7]].
This notation uses the same sagittal sequence as [[47edo#Sagittal notation|47edo]], and is a superset of the notations for edos [[21edo #Sagittal notation|21]], [[14edo #Sagittal notation|14]], and [[7edo #Sagittal notation|7]].


<imagemap>
<imagemap>
Line 437: Line 335:
default [[File:42b_Sagittal.svg]]
default [[File:42b_Sagittal.svg]]
</imagemap>
</imagemap>
== Approximation to JI ==
{{Q-odd-limit intervals}}
== Regular temperament properties ==
{| class="wikitable center-4 center-5 center-6"
|-
! rowspan="2" | [[Subgroup]]
! rowspan="2" | [[Comma list]]
! rowspan="2" | [[Mapping]]
! rowspan="2" | Optimal<br>8ve stretch (¢)
! colspan="2" | Tuning error
|-
! [[TE error|Absolute]] (¢)
! [[TE simple badness|Relative]] (%)
|-
| 2.3
| {{Monzo| 67 -42 }}
| {{Mapping| 42 67 }}
| −3.89
| 3.88
| 13.57
|-
| 2.3.5
| 128/125, 5000000/4782969
| {{Mapping| 42 67 98 }}
| −4.55
| 3.30
| 11.55
|-
| 2.3.5.7
| 64/63, 126/125, 6860/6561
| {{Mapping| 42 67 98 118 }}
| −3.65
| 3.26
| 11.42
|}
== Octave stretch or compression ==
42edo’s inaccurate 3rd and 5th harmonics can be improved through [[stretched and compressed tuning|stretching or compressing]] octaves. Both approaches work about equally well but in opposite directions, giving two quite different flavors of tuning to play with.
* Good stretched options: [[ed6|108ed6]], [[ed5|97ed5]], [[zpi|189zpi]], [[ed12|150ed12]]
* Good compressed options: [[ed7|118ed7]], [[ed12|151ed12]], [[ed6|109ed6]], [[zpi|191zpi]]


== Scales ==
== Scales ==
; [[MOS scale]]s
{{main|List of MOS scales in 42edo}}
{{main|List of MOS scales in 42edo}}
; [[MOS scale]]s
* Eugene/Tritikleismic[9]: '''3 8 3 3 8 3 3 8 3'''
* Eugene/Tritikleismic[9]: '''3 8 3 3 8 3 3 8 3'''
* Eugene/Tritikleismic[15]: '''3 3 2 3 3 3 3 2 3 3 3 3 2 3 3'''
* Eugene/Tritikleismic[15]: '''3 3 2 3 3 3 3 2 3 3 3 3 2 3 3'''
Line 449: Line 390:
* Seville/Sevond[14] 2nd mode: '''5 1 5 1 5 1 5 1 5 1 5 1 5 1'''
* Seville/Sevond[14] 2nd mode: '''5 1 5 1 5 1 5 1 5 1 5 1 5 1'''
* Seville/Sevond[21]: '''1 4 1 1 4 1 1 4 1 1 4 1 1 4 1 1 4 1 1 4'''
* Seville/Sevond[21]: '''1 4 1 1 4 1 1 4 1 1 4 1 1 4 1 1 4 1 1 4'''


; Subsets of MOS scales  
; Subsets of MOS scales  
Line 460: Line 402:
** Undecimal lydian-aeolian pentatonic: '''8 14 3 11 6'''
** Undecimal lydian-aeolian pentatonic: '''8 14 3 11 6'''
** Yokai pentatonic: '''3 14 8 3 14'''
** Yokai pentatonic: '''3 14 8 3 14'''
; Approximations of [[gamelan]] scales:
* 5-tone pelog: 4 5 15 3 15
* 7-tone pelog: 4 5 9 6 3 10 5
* 5-tone slendro: 8 9 8 9 8
; Other scales
* 12-tone 6&7edo scale: 6 1 5 2 4 3 3 4 2 5 1 6


== Instruments ==
== Instruments ==
; Fretted instruments
=== Lumatone ===
; [[Skip fretting system 42 3 11]]
; Lumatone
{{main|Lumatone mapping for 42edo}}
{{main|Lumatone mapping for 42edo}}
=== Skip fretting ===
'''[[Skip fretting]] system 42 3 11''': One way to play [[42edo]] on a [[14edo]] guitar is to tune the strings 11\42, or approximately a [[just]] 6/5, apart. All examples on this page are for 7-string guitar.
; Prime intervals
1/1: string 2 open
2/1: string 5 fret 3
3/2: string 4 fret 1 and string 7 fret 4
5/4: string 3 fret 1
7/4: string 1 fret 1 and string 4 fret 4
11/8: string 7 fret 2
13/8: string 3 fret 6
17/16: string 1 fret 5
19/16: string 1 fret 7
23/16: string 4 open and string 7 fret 3
29/16: string 5 fret 1
31/16: string 1 fret 3 and string 4 fret 6
; Chords
Minor 7th: 100123X


== Music ==
== Music ==
Line 477: Line 458:
=== 21st century ===
=== 21st century ===
; [[Bryan Deister]]
; [[Bryan Deister]]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJw8gZyNPjg ''improv 42edo''] (2023)
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljaSpsQP2qc ''Improvisation in 42edo''] (2023), transcribed by [[Stephen Weigel]] (2024)
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljaSpsQP2qc ''Improvisation in 42edo''] (2023), transcribed by [[Stephen Weigel]] (2024)
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL6CY3U9mHM ''42edo groove''] (2025)
* ''A Hunger Awakes - 42edo'' (2026)
** [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/B90JT_SxSSE <nowiki>[short]</nowiki>] (Lumatone view)
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwHqWffglj4 <nowiki>[full version]</nowiki>] (music video with stop-motion by [[Jelly Eyes]])
* ''Waltz in 42edo'' (2026)
** [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/D_YgzRJFg8I <nowiki>[short]</nowiki>] (Lumatone view)
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyglWQ_0bIk <nowiki>[full version]</nowiki>]


; [[James Kukula]]
; [[James Kukula]]
Line 491: Line 480:
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORy7nv6SnN8 ''Glory of Them''] (2024)
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORy7nv6SnN8 ''Glory of Them''] (2024)


[[Category:Augene]]
; [[Stephen Weigel]]
[[Category:Todo:add rank 2 temperaments table]]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLmaQK10aYM ''Ĥ̶̩̠̐Ä̶̝͙́̓Ȑ̸̢͒K̷̥̩͌͑!̵̙͆̄ THE BIBLICALLY ACCURATE ANGELS SING!''] (2025; mostly in 42edo, but also some in 40edo)
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE77rwCsGHw live performance of the above in Munich, Germany] (2026)
 
[[Category:Augmented]]
{{Todo|review|add rank 2 temperaments table}}
Retrieved from "https://en.xen.wiki/w/42edo"