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[[Bryan Deister]] has used a flipped antidiatonic layout for [[51edo]] in which the generator is a mid major second at 8\51, which maps in between ~[[10/9]] and ~[[9/8]] and is distinct from both, A possible constitution of this interval in 51edo is the septendecimal major second ~[[512/459]] (~|9 -3 0 0 0 0 -1⟩), which maps correctly to 8\51 and is very close by direct approximation. Two of these generators make a ~~slightly~~ flat ~[[5/4]] Ptolemeic major third, and nine of these generators make a slightly sharp ~[[8/3]] perfect eleventh. Octaves alternate between near and far, but the range is just one missing note #47 short of being 5 full octaves, which compares favorably with the standard Antidiatonic ([[Mavila]]/[[Undecimation]]) and [[Porky]] mappings, and is competitive with the [[Slendric]] mapping. (Another possibility would be to move the first note 0 up and left, which would instead put the missing note in the first octave.) The most straightforward scale within an octave is [[2L 5s]] with a step ratio of 8:7, but the octave zigzag could be used to support an [[11L 2s (4/1-equivalent)]] scale, again with a step ratio of 8:7. [https://x31eq.com/temper-pyscript/ Graham Breed's x31eq Temperament Finder] gives no name for this temperament; it is 19 & 51 in the 2.3.5.17 subgroup, but if this layout was actually adapted to [[19edo]], L and s steps would exchange size classes to make this a flipped Diatonic layout. This layout is demonstrated in [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5pM8OC0fV98 ''51edo improv''] (2025-05-02), with some additional notes outside the 5 (almost) full octaves cut off in and near the upper left and lower right corners due to the use of only 2 MIDI channels.

[[Bryan Deister]] has used a flipped antidiatonic layout for [[51edo]] in which the generator is a mid major second at 8\51, which maps in between ~[[10/9]] and ~[[9/8]] and is distinct from both, A possible constitution of this interval in 51edo is the septendecimal major second ~[[512/459]] (~|9 -3 0 0 0 0 -1⟩), which maps correctly to 8\51 and is very close by direct approximation. Two of these generators make a fairly flat ~[[5/4]] Ptolemeic major third, and nine of these generators make a slightly sharp ~[[8/3]] perfect eleventh. Octaves alternate between near and far, but the range is just one missing note 47 short of being 5 full octaves, which compares favorably with the standard Antidiatonic ([[Mavila]]/[[Undecimation]]) and [[Porky]] mappings, and is competitive with the [[Slendric]] mapping. (Another possibility would be to move the first note 0 up and left, which would instead put the missing note in the first octave.) The most straightforward scale within an octave is [[2L 5s]] with a step ratio of 8:7, but the octave zigzag could be used to support an [[11L 2s (4/1-equivalent)]] scale, again with a step ratio of 8:7. [https://x31eq.com/temper-pyscript/ Graham Breed's x31eq Temperament Finder] gives no name for this temperament; it is 19 & 51 in the 2.3.5.17 subgroup, but if this layout was actually adapted to [[19edo]], L and s steps would exchange size classes to make this a flipped Diatonic layout. This layout is demonstrated in [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5pM8OC0fV98 ''51edo improv''] (2025-05-02), with some additional notes outside the 5 (almost) full octaves cut off in and near the upper left and lower right corners due to the use of only 2 MIDI channels.

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[[Bryan Deister]] has demonstrated a mapping of [[51edo]] for a [[3L 5s]] scale rotated (checkertonic, with 7:6 step ratio), that also lends itself to a [[7L 2s]] scale (flipped superdiatonic, with 7:1 step ratio) and a [[12L 3s (4/1-equivalent)]] scale (7:6 step ratio, passing right through the octave zigzag), in [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sTPJtuHUwkg ''51edo improv''] (2025-02-03). The rightward generator is 7\51, which is a near-just large undecimal neutral second ~[[11/10]], as in [[Porky]], but this mapping is sufficiently different from the Porky layout as to warrant a different name. The range is a bit over 4¼ octaves, and the octaves alternate between near/far and mid.

== Tritikleismic-related 2.3.25.7 subgroup temperament ==

One way of treating [[51edo]] is as three versions of [[17edo]], rearranged so as to divide the fifth and the octave also into three parts each, as demonstrated by [[Bryan Deister]] in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3NOBYbiqpo ''51edo improv''] (2026-04-22). This is very much like [[landscape]] temperament in equating the octave with a stack of three near-just quasi-tempered major thirds (~[[63/50]], as 17\51), but requires use of the 2.3.25.7 subgroup; division of the fifth (~[[3/2]], as 30\51) into three parts (slightly sharp septimal major seconds ~[[8/7]], as 10\51) also puts this temperament in the [[gamelismic clan]] (thus related to [[tritikleismic]], but again using the 2.3.25.7 subgroup). The obvious scale moving up and right is [[3L 3s]] (10:7 step ratio); the obvious scale moving right and down-right is [[9L 4s (4/1-equivalent)]] (10:3 step ratio); the upward and downward movements in the latter scale nearly cancel out so that while octaves alternate between far and near, double octaves just barely slope down. The range is 5¼ octaves with no missed notes and no repeated notes.

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 {{Lumatone EDO mapping|n=51|start=33|xstep=7|ystep=1}}
-[[Bryan Deister]] has used a flipped antidiatonic layout for [[51edo]] in which the generator is a mid major second at 8\51, which maps in between ~[[10/9]] and ~[[9/8]] and is distinct from both, A possible constitution of this interval in 51edo is the septendecimal major second ~[[512/459]] (~|9 -3 0 0 0 0 -1⟩), which maps correctly to 8\51 and is very close by direct approximation. Two of these generators make a slightly flat ~[[5/4]] Ptolemeic major third, and nine of these generators make a slightly sharp ~[[8/3]] perfect eleventh. Octaves alternate between near and far, but the range is just one missing note #47 short of being 5 full octaves, which compares favorably with the standard Antidiatonic ([[Mavila]]/[[Undecimation]]) and [[Porky]] mappings, and is competitive with the [[Slendric]] mapping. (Another possibility would be to move the first note 0 up and left, which would instead put the missing note in the first octave.) The most straightforward scale within an octave is [[2L&nbsp;5s]] with a step ratio of 8:7, but the octave zigzag could be used to support an [[11L&nbsp;2s (4/1-equivalent)]] scale, again with a step ratio of 8:7. [https://x31eq.com/temper-pyscript/ Graham Breed's x31eq Temperament Finder] gives no name for this temperament; it is 19 & 51 in the 2.3.5.17 subgroup, but if this layout was actually adapted to [[19edo]], L and s steps would exchange size classes to make this a flipped Diatonic layout. This layout is demonstrated in [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5pM8OC0fV98 ''51edo improv''] (2025-05-02), with some additional notes outside the 5 (almost) full octaves cut off in and near the upper left and lower right corners due to the use of only 2 MIDI channels.
+[[Bryan Deister]] has used a flipped antidiatonic layout for [[51edo]] in which the generator is a mid major second at 8\51, which maps in between ~[[10/9]] and ~[[9/8]] and is distinct from both, A possible constitution of this interval in 51edo is the septendecimal major second ~[[512/459]] (~|9 -3 0 0 0 0 -1⟩), which maps correctly to 8\51 and is very close by direct approximation. Two of these generators make a fairly flat ~[[5/4]] Ptolemeic major third, and nine of these generators make a slightly sharp ~[[8/3]] perfect eleventh. Octaves alternate between near and far, but the range is just one missing note 47 short of being 5 full octaves, which compares favorably with the standard Antidiatonic ([[Mavila]]/[[Undecimation]]) and [[Porky]] mappings, and is competitive with the [[Slendric]] mapping. (Another possibility would be to move the first note 0 up and left, which would instead put the missing note in the first octave.) The most straightforward scale within an octave is [[2L&nbsp;5s]] with a step ratio of 8:7, but the octave zigzag could be used to support an [[11L&nbsp;2s (4/1-equivalent)]] scale, again with a step ratio of 8:7. [https://x31eq.com/temper-pyscript/ Graham Breed's x31eq Temperament Finder] gives no name for this temperament; it is 19 & 51 in the 2.3.5.17 subgroup, but if this layout was actually adapted to [[19edo]], L and s steps would exchange size classes to make this a flipped Diatonic layout. This layout is demonstrated in [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5pM8OC0fV98 ''51edo improv''] (2025-05-02), with some additional notes outside the 5 (almost) full octaves cut off in and near the upper left and lower right corners due to the use of only 2 MIDI channels.
 {{Lumatone EDO mapping|n=51|start=32|xstep=8|ystep=-1}}
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 [[Bryan Deister]] has demonstrated a mapping of [[51edo]] for a [[3L&nbsp;5s]] scale rotated (checkertonic, with 7:6 step ratio), that also lends itself to a [[7L&nbsp;2s]] scale (flipped superdiatonic, with 7:1 step ratio) and a [[12L&nbsp;3s (4/1-equivalent)]] scale (7:6 step ratio, passing right through the octave zigzag), in [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sTPJtuHUwkg ''51edo improv''] (2025-02-03). The rightward generator is 7\51, which is a near-just large undecimal neutral second ~[[11/10]], as in [[Porky]], but this mapping is sufficiently different from the Porky layout as to warrant a different name. The range is a bit over 4¼ octaves, and the octaves alternate between near/far and mid.
 {{Lumatone EDO mapping|n=51|start=31|xstep=7|ystep=-1}}
+== Tritikleismic-related 2.3.25.7 subgroup temperament ==
+One way of treating [[51edo]] is as three versions of [[17edo]], rearranged so as to divide the fifth and the octave also into three parts each, as demonstrated by [[Bryan Deister]] in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3NOBYbiqpo ''51edo improv''] (2026-04-22). This is very much like [[landscape]] temperament in equating the octave with a stack of three near-just quasi-tempered major thirds (~[[63/50]], as 17\51), but requires use of the 2.3.25.7 subgroup; division of the fifth (~[[3/2]], as 30\51) into three parts (slightly sharp septimal major seconds ~[[8/7]], as 10\51) also puts this temperament in the [[gamelismic clan]] (thus related to [[tritikleismic]], but again using the 2.3.25.7 subgroup). The obvious scale moving up and right is [[3L&nbsp;3s]] (10:7 step ratio); the obvious scale moving right and down-right is [[9L&nbsp;4s&nbsp;(4/1-equivalent)]] (10:3 step ratio); the upward and downward movements in the latter scale nearly cancel out so that while octaves alternate between far and near, double octaves just barely slope down. The range is 5¼ octaves with no missed notes and no repeated notes.
+{{Lumatone EDO mapping|n=51|start=4|xstep=10|ystep=-7}}
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