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'''104 EDO''' divides the [[octave]] into 104 parts of size 11.5385 [[cent]]s each.
{{Infobox ET}}
{{ED intro}}


== Theory ==
== Theory ==
104edo is a strong no-fives system, with good approximations up to the no-5 19-limit. In the [[2.3.7.11.13 subgroup|2.3.7.11.13-subgroup]], it tempers out [[352/351]], [[364/363]], [[896/891]], [[2197/2187]], [[10648/10647]], 16807/16731, 20449/20412, 21632/21609, and 26411/26364.<!-- Add commas in 2.3.7.11.13.17.19 as well --> It is an excellent tuning for the 2.3.7.11.13-subgroup [[rank]]-3 [[parapyth]] temperament tempering out 352/351, 364/363, and 896/891, which maps [[14/11]] to the diatonic major third and [[13/11]] to the diatonic minor third, in fact providing the [[optimal patent val]]. Additionally, it supports the extension to prime 17 known as [[etypyth]], which maps 17/14 to the augmented second, though [[121edo]] is a more optimal tuning of it. It also provides the optimal patent val for the 2.3.7.11.13-subgroup {{nowrap| 17 & 87 }} temperament tempering out 352/351, 364/363 and 2197/2187, which splits 3/1 into three ~13/9's, and can be considered a rank-2 reduction of parapyth.


{{Primes in edo|104}}
Notably, 104edo inherits [[26edo]]'s accurate representation of the [[2.7.11 subgroup|2.7.11-subgroup]], and thus supports [[orgone]] temperament in that subgroup.


104 EDO has two different equally viable 5-limit [[val]]s, and both are useful. The flat major third val, {{val|104 165 241}} ([[patent val]]), tempers out [[3125/3072]], and supports [[magic]] temperament. The sharp major third val, {{val|104 165 242}} (104c val), tempers out [[2048/2025]] and supports [[diaschismic]] temperament.
If prime 5 is desired, 104edo has two different equally viable 5-limit [[val]]s, and both are useful. The flat major third val, {{val| 104 165 241 }} ([[patent val]]), tempers out [[3125/3072]], and [[support]]s [[magic]] temperament. The sharp major third val, {{val| 104 165 242 }} (104c val), tempers out [[2048/2025]] and supports [[diaschismic]] temperament. Additionally, it is viable to treat 104edo as dual-5, or as a 2.3.25.7.11.13.17.19 subgroup temperament.


104 EDO with the flat third is especially notable as an excellent tuning for magic temperament, providing the [[optimal patent val]] for 11-limit magic and the 13-limit magic extension [[necromancy]]. In the 5-limit it tempers out the magic comma, 3125/3072; in the 7-limit, it tempers out [[225/224]], [[245/243]] and [[875/864]]; and in the 11-limit, [[100/99]], [[896/891]], [[385/384]] and [[540/539]]. It provides an excellent tuning also for the rank three temperaments pairing 100/99 with 225/224 ([[apollo]] temperament), 245/243 or 875/864, or the rank four temperament tempering out 100/99, for which it gives the optimal patent val.
104edo with the flat third is especially notable as an excellent tuning for magic temperament, providing the [[optimal patent val]] for 11-limit magic and the 13-limit magic extension [[necromancy]]. In the 5-limit it tempers out the magic comma, 3125/3072; in the 7-limit, it tempers out [[225/224]], [[245/243]] and [[875/864]]; and in the 11-limit, [[100/99]], 896/891, [[385/384]] and [[540/539]]. It also provides an excellent tuning for the rank-3 temperament pairing 100/99 with 225/224 ([[apollo]] temperament), 245/243 or 875/864, and the rank-4 temperament tempering out 100/99, for which it gives the optimal patent val.


104 with the sharp third is excellent for 11, 13, or 17 limit diaschismic. It tempers out 2048/2025 in the 5-limit, [[126/125]] and [[5120/5103]] in the 7-limit, [[176/175]] and 896/891 in the 11-limit, [[196/195]] and [[364/363]] in the 13-limit and [[136/135]] and [[256/255]] in the 17-limit.
104edo with the sharp third is excellent for 11-, 13-, or 17-limit diaschismic. It tempers out 2048/2025 in the 5-limit, [[126/125]] and [[5120/5103]] in the 7-limit, [[176/175]] and 896/891 in the 11-limit, [[196/195]], 352/351 and 364/363 in the 13-limit, and [[136/135]] and [[256/255]] in the 17-limit.


104 is also notable as a no-fives system; on 2.3.7.11.13, it tempers out 352/351, 364/363, 896/891, 2197/2187, 16807/16731, 20449/20412, 21632/21609, 26411/26364 and 10648/10647. It is the optimal patent val for the 17&amp;87 2.3.7.11.13 subgroup temperament tempering out 352/351, 364/363 and 2197/2187, which has a 13/9 generator, three of which give a 3.
=== Prime harmonics ===
{{Harmonics in equal|104}}


== Rank two temperaments ==
=== Octave stretch ===
104edo's approximations of harmonics 3, 7, 11, and 13 can all be improved if slightly compressing the octave is acceptable, using tunings such as [[269ed6]], which is also suitable for the full 13-limit and beyond, using the 104c val. A greater focus on prime 5 could lead to more heavily compressed tunings such as [[165edt]].


=== In patent val ===
=== Subsets and supersets ===
Since 104 factors into primes as {{nowrap| 2<sup>3</sup> × 13 }}, 104edo has subset edos {{EDOs| 2, 4, 8, 13, 26, and 52 }}.


{| class="wikitable center-all"
== Regular temperament properties ==
! Periods <br> per octave
{| class="wikitable center-4 center-5 center-6"
! Generator
|-
! Cents
! rowspan="2" | [[Subgroup]]
! Associated ratio
! rowspan="2" | [[Comma list]]
! rowspan="2" | [[Mapping]]
! rowspan="2" | Optimal<br />8ve stretch (¢)
! colspan="2" | Tuning error
|-
! [[TE error|Absolute]] (¢)
! [[TE simple badness|Relative]] (%)
|-
| 2.3
| {{monzo| 165 -104 }}
| {{mapping| 104 165 }}
| −0.597
| 0.596
| 5.17
|-
| 2.3.5
| 2048/2025, {{monzo| 0 22 -15 }}
| {{mapping| 104 165 242 }} (104c)
| −1.258
| 1.054
| 9.14
|-
| 2.3.5.7
| 126/125, 2048/2025, 117649/116640
| {{mapping| 104 165 242 292 }} (104c)
| −0.980
| 1.032
| 8.95
|-
| 2.3.5.7.11
| 126/125, 176/175, 896/891, 14641/14580
| {{mapping| 104 165 242 292 360 }} (104c)
| −0.930
| 0.929
| 8.05
|-
| 2.3.5.7.11.13
| 126/125, 176/175, 196/195, 364/363, 2197/2187
| {{mapping| 104 165 242 292 360 385 }} (104c)
| −0.855
| 0.864
| 7.49
|}
 
=== Rank-2 temperaments ===
{| class="wikitable center-all left-5"
|+ style="font-size: 105%;" | Patent val
|-
! Periods<br />per 8ve
! Generator*
! Cents*
! Associated<br />ratio*
! Temperament
! Temperament
|-
|-
| rowspan="2" | 1
| 1
| 33\104
| 33\104
| 380.769
| 380.77
| 5/4
| 5/4
| [[Magic]] / necromancy / divination
| [[Magic]] / necromancy / divination
|-
|-
| 1
| 51\104
| 51\104
| 588.462
| 588.46
| 7/5
| 7/5
| [[Untriton]]
| [[Untriton]]
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| 4
| 4
| 9\104
| 9\104
| 103.846
| 103.85
| 18/17
| 18/17
| [[Undim]]
| [[Undim]]
|}
|}


=== In 104c val ===
{| class="wikitable center-all left-5"
 
|+ style="font-size: 105%;" | 104c val
{| class="wikitable center-all"
|-
! Periods <br> per octave
! Periods<br />per 8ve
! Generator <br> (reduced)
! Generator*
! Cents <br> (reduced)
! Cents*
! Associated ratio <br> (reduced)
! Associated<br />ratio*
! Temperament
! Temperament
|-
|-
| rowspan="3" | 1
| 1
| 11\104
| 126.92
| 27/25
| [[Mowgli]]
|-
| 1
| 21\104
| 21\104
| 242.308
| 242.31
| 147/128
| 147/128
| [[Septiquarter]]
| [[Septiquarter]]
|-
|-
| 1
| 27\104
| 27\104
| 311.538
| 311.54
| 6/5
| 6/5
| [[Oolong]]
| [[Oolong]]
|-
|-
| 1
| 47\104
| 47\104
| 542.308
| 542.31
| 15/11
| 15/11
| [[Casablanca]] / marrakesh
| [[Casablanca]] / marrakesh
|-
|-
| 2
| 2
| 43\104
| 21\104
| 496.154
| 242.31
| 4/3
| 121/105
| [[Semiseptiquarter]]
|-
| 2
| 43\104<br />(9\104)
| 496.15<br />(103.85)
| 4/3<br />(17/16)
| [[Diaschismic]]
| [[Diaschismic]]
|-
|-
| 8
| 8
| 50\104 <br> (2\104)
| 49\104<br />(2\104)
| 576.923 <br> (23.077)
| 565.38<br />(34.62)
| 121/84 <br> (78/77)
| 168/121<br />(55/54)
| [[Octowerck]] (7- or 11-limit)
| [[Octowerck]] / octowerckis
|-
| 26
| 43\104<br />(1\104)
| 496.15<br />(11.54)
| 4/3<br />(225/224)
| [[Bosonic]]
|}
|}
<nowiki />* [[Normal forms #Equave-reduced-generator form|Octave-reduced form]], reduced to the first half-octave, and [[normal forms #Minimal-generator form|minimal form]] in parentheses if distinct


== Intervals ==
== Intervals ==
 
{| class="wikitable center-1 right-2"
{| class="wikitable center-all right-2"
|-
|-
! rowspan="2" | #
! rowspan="2" | #
! rowspan="2" | Cents
! rowspan="2" | Cents
! colspan="3" | Approximate Ratios
! colspan="3" | Approximate ratios
|-
|-
! of 2.3.7.11.13.17.19.25 <br> Subgroup
! Of 2.3.25.7.11.13.17.19<br>subgroup
! Additional Ratios of 5 <br> Tending Sharp (104c Val)
! Additional ratios of 5<br>tending sharp (104c val)
! Additional Ratios of 5 <br> Tending Flat (Patent Val)
! Additional ratios of 5<br>tending flat (patent val)
|-
|-
| 0
| 0
| 0.000
| 0.0
| [[1/1]]
| [[1/1]]
| [[126/125]]
|  
| [[225/224]], [[100/99]]
|  
|-
|-
| 1
| 1
| 11.538
| 11.5
| [[225/224]], [[100/99]]
| [[144/143]], [[169/168]]
|
| ''[[91/90]]'', [[121/120]]
|
| [[105/104]], [[196/195]]
|-
|-
| 2
| 2
| 23.077
| 23.1
| [[64/63]]
| [[64/63]], [[99/98]]
| [[81/80]], [[225/224]]
| [[81/80]], [[100/99]], ''[[105/104]]''
| [[50/49]]
| ''[[50/49]]'', ''[[55/54]]'', [[91/90]], ''[[121/120]]''
|-
|-
| 3
| 3
| 34.615
| 34.6
| [[49/48]], [[50/49]]
| [[49/48]], [[50/49]]
|
| [[55/54]]
| [[81/80]], [[126/125]]
| ''[[40/39]]'', [[45/44]], ''[[81/80]]'', ''[[126/125]]''
|-
|-
| 4
| 4
| 46.154
| 46.2
|
|
| [[36/35]], [[50/49]]
| [[36/35]], [[40/39]], ''[[45/44]]'', ''[[50/49]]''
|
|
|-
|-
| 5
| 5
| 57.692
| 57.7
| [[28/27]], [[33/32]]
| [[28/27]], [[33/32]]
|
| ''[[26/25]]''
| [[25/24]], [[36/35]]
| ''[[25/24]]'', ''[[36/35]]''
|-
|-
| 6
| 6
| 69.231
| 69.2
| [[25/24]]
| [[25/24]], [[26/25]], [[27/26]]
|
|
|
|
|-
|-
| 7
| 7
| 80.769
| 80.8
| [[22/21]]
| [[22/21]]
| [[25/24]], [[21/20]]
| [[21/20]], ''[[25/24]]''
| [[20/19]]
| ''[[20/19]]'', ''[[26/25]]''
|-
|-
| 8
| 8
| 92.308
| 92.3
| [[19/18]]
| [[19/18]]
| [[20/19]]
| [[20/19]]
| [[21/20]]
| ''[[21/20]]''
|-
|-
| 9
| 9
| 103.846
| 103.8
| [[17/16]], [[18/17]]
| [[17/16]], [[18/17]]
| [[16/15]]
| ''[[16/15]]''
|
|
|-
|-
| 10
| 10
| 115.385
| 115.4
|
|
|
|
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|-
|-
| 11
| 11
| 126.923
| 126.9
| [[14/13]]
| [[14/13]]
| [[15/14]]
| ''[[15/14]]''
|
|
|-
|-
| 12
| 12
| 138.462
| 138.5
| [[13/12]]
| [[13/12]]
|
|
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|-
|-
| 13
| 13
| 150.000
| 150.0
| [[12/11]]
| [[12/11]]
|
|
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|-
|-
| 14
| 14
| 161.538
| 161.5
|
|
| [[11/10]]
| [[11/10]]
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|-
|-
| 15
| 15
| 173.077
| 173.1
| [[21/19]]
| [[21/19]]
|
|
| [[10/9]], [[11/10]]
| ''[[10/9]]'', ''[[11/10]]''
|-
|-
| 16
| 16
| 184.615
| 184.6
|
|
| [[10/9]]
| [[10/9]]
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|-
|-
| 17
| 17
| 196.154
| 196.2
| [[28/25]], [[19/17]]
| [[19/17]], [[28/25]]
|
|
|
|
|-
|-
| 18
| 18
| 207.692
| 207.7
| 9/8
| [[9/8]]
| [[17/15]]
| ''[[17/15]]''
|
|
|-
|-
| 19
| 19
| 219.231
| 219.2
| [[25/22]]
| [[25/22]]
|
|
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|-
|-
| 20
| 20
| 230.769
| 230.8
| [[8/7]]
| [[8/7]]
|
|
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|-
|-
| 21
| 21
| 242.308
| 242.3
|
| [[38/33]]
|
|  
| [[15/13]]
| [[15/13]]
|-
|-
| 22
| 22
| 253.846
| 253.8
| [[22/19]]
| [[22/19]]
| [[15/13]]
| ''[[15/13]]''
|
|
|-
|-
| 23
| 23
| 265.385
| 265.4
| [[7/6]]
| [[7/6]]
|
|
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|-
|-
| 24
| 24
| 276.923
| 276.9
| [[75/64]]
| [[75/64]]
|
|
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|-
|-
| 25
| 25
| 288.462
| 288.5
| [[32/27]], [[13/11]]
| [[13/11]], [[32/27]]
| [[20/17]]
| ''[[20/17]]''
|
|
|-
|-
| 26
| 26
| 300.000
| 300.0
| [[25/21]], [[19/16]]
| [[19/16]], [[25/21]]
|
|
|
|
|-
|-
| 27
| 27
| 311.538
| 311.5
|
|
| [[6/5]]
| [[6/5]]
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|-
|-
| 28
| 28
| 323.077
| 323.1
|
|
|
|
| [[6/5]]
| ''[[6/5]]'', ''[[40/33]]''
|-
|-
| 29
| 29
| 334.615
| 334.6
| [[17/14]]
| [[17/14]]
|
| [[40/33]]
|
|
|-
|-
| 30
| 30
| 346.154
| 346.2
| [[11/9]], [[39/32]]
| [[11/9]], [[39/32]]
|
|
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|-
|-
| 31
| 31
| 357.692
| 357.7
| [[27/22]], [[16/13]]
| [[16/13]], [[27/22]]
|
|
|
|
|-
|-
| 32
| 32
| 369.231
| 369.2
| [[26/21]], [[21/17]]
| [[21/17]], [[26/21]]
|
|
|
|
|-
|-
| 33
| 33
| 380.769
| 380.8
|
|
|
|
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|-
|-
| 34
| 34
| 392.308
| 392.3
|
|
| [[5/4]]
| ''[[5/4]]''
|
|
|-
|-
| 35
| 35
| 403.846
| 403.8
| [[63/50]], [[24/19]]
| [[24/19]], [[63/50]]
| [[19/15]]
| [[19/15]]
|
|
|-
|-
| 36
| 36
| 415.385
| 415.4
| [[81/64]], [[14/11]]
| [[14/11]]
|
|
| [[19/15]]
| ''[[19/15]]''
|-
|-
| 37
| 37
| 426.923
| 426.9
| [[32/25]]
| [[32/25]]
|
|
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|-
|-
| 38
| 38
| 438.462
| 438.5
| [[9/7]]
| [[9/7]]
|
|
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|-
|-
| 39
| 39
| 450.000
| 450.0
| [[22/17]]
| [[22/17]]
| [[13/10]]
| [[13/10]]
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|-
|-
| 40
| 40
| 461.538
| 461.5
| [[17/13]]
| [[17/13]]
|
|
| [[13/10]]
| ''[[13/10]]''
|-
|-
| 41
| 41
| 473.077
| 473.1
| [[21/16]]
| [[21/16]]
|
|
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|-
|-
| 42
| 42
| 484.615
| 484.6
|
|
|
|
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|-
|-
| 43
| 43
| 496.154
| 496.2
| [[4/3]]
| [[4/3]]
|
|
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|-
|-
| 44
| 44
| 507.692
| 507.7
|
|
|
|
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|-
|-
| 45
| 45
| 519.231
| 519.2
|
|
| [[27/20]]
| [[27/20]]
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|-
|-
| 46
| 46
| 530.769
| 530.8
| [[19/14]]
| [[19/14]]
|
|
| [[27/20]], [[15/11]]
| ''[[27/20]]'', ''[[15/11]]''
|-
|-
| 47
| 47
| 542.308
| 542.3
| [[26/19]]
| [[26/19]]
| [[15/11]]
| [[15/11]]
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|-
|-
| 48
| 48
| 553.846
| 553.8
| [[11/8]]
| [[11/8]]
|
|
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|-
|-
| 49
| 49
| 565.385
| 565.4
| [[18/13]]
| [[18/13]]
|
|
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|-
|-
| 50
| 50
| 576.923
| 576.9
|
|
| [[7/5]]
| [[7/5]]
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|-
|-
| 51
| 51
| 588.462
| 588.5
|
|
|
|
| [[45/32]], [[7/5]]
| ''[[7/5]]'', [[45/32]]
|-
|-
| 52
| 52
| 600.000
| 600.0
| [[17/12]], [[24/17]]
| [[17/12]], [[24/17]]
| [[45/32]], [[64/45]]
| ''[[45/32]]'', ''[[64/45]]''
|
|
|-
|-
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| …
| …
| …
| …
|}
Since 104 EDO has a step of 11.5385 cents, it also allows one to use its MOS scales as circulating temperaments. As 8*[[13 EDO]], it is the first EDO where two smaller EDOs it allows one to use as circulating temperaments are Fibonacci EDOs.
{| class="wikitable center-all"
|+ Circulating temperaments in 104 EDO
|-
! Tones
! Pattern
! L:s
|-
| 5
| [[4L 1s]]
| 21:20
|-
| 6
| [[2L 4s]]
| 18:17
|-
| 7
| [[6L 1s]]
| 15:14
|-
| 8
| [[8 EDO]]
| equal
|-
| 9
| [[5L 4s]]
| 12:11
|-
| 10
| [[4L 6s]]
| 11:10
|-
| 11
| [[5L 6s]]
| 10:9
|-
| 12
| [[8L 4s]]
| 9:8
|-
| 13
| [[13 EDO]]
| equal
|-
| 14
| [[4L 10s]]
| 8:7
|-
| 15
| [[14L 1s]]
| rowspan="3" | 7:6
|-
| 16
| 8L 8s
|-
| 17
| [[2L 15s]]
|-
| 18
| 12L 6s
| rowspan="3" | 6:5
|-
| 19
| [[9L 10s]]
|-
| 20
| 4L 16s
|-
| 21
| 20L 1s
| rowspan="5" | 5:4
|-
| 22
| 16L 6s
|-
| 23
| [[12L 11s]]
|-
| 24
| 8L 16s
|-
| 25
| 4L 21s
|-
| 26
| [[26 EDO]]
| equal
|-
| 27
| 23L 4s
| rowspan="8" | 4:3
|-
| 28
| 20L 8s
|-
| 29
| [[17L 12s]]
|-
| 30
| 14L 16s
|-
| 31
| 11L 20s
|-
| 32
| 8L 24s
|-
| 33
| 5L 28s
|-
| 34
| 2L 32s
|-
| 35
| 34L 1s
| rowspan="17" | 3:2
|-
| 36
| 32L 4s
|-
| 37
| 30L 7s
|-
| 38
| 28L 10s
|-
| 39
| 26L 13s
|-
| 40
| 24L 16s
|-
| 41
| 22L 19s
|-
| 42
| 20L 22s
|-
| 43
| 18L 25s
|-
| 44
| 16L 28s
|-
| 45
| 14L 31s
|-
| 46
| 12L 34s
|-
| 47
| 10L 37s
|-
| 48
| 8L 40s
|-
| 49
| 6L 43s
|-
| 50
| 4L 46s
|-
| 51
| 2L 46s
|-
| 52
| [[52 EDO]]
| equal
|-
| 53
| 51L 2s
| rowspan="31" | 2:1
|-
| 54
| 50L 4s
|-
| 55
| 49L 6s
|-
| 56
| 48L 8s
|-
| 57
| 47L 10s
|-
| 58
| 46L 12s
|-
| 59
| 45L 14s
|-
| 60
| 44L 16s
|-
| 61
| 43L 18s
|-
| 62
| 42L 20s
|-
| 63
| 41L 22s
|-
| 64
| 40L 24s
|-
| 65
| 39L 26s
|-
| 66
| 38L 28s
|-
| 67
| 37L 30s
|-
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