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{{Wikipedia| Septimal meantone temperament }}
{{Wikipedia| Septimal meantone temperament }}


In septimal meantone, ten fifths get to the interval class for 7, so that [[7/4]] is an augmented sixth (C–A♯), [[7/6]] is an augmented second (C–D♯), [[7/5]] is an augmented fourth (C–F♯), and [[21/16]] is an augmented third (C–E♯). Septimal meantone tempers out the common 7-limit commas [[126/125]], [[225/224]], and [[3136/3125]] and in fact can be defined as the 7-limit temperament that tempers out any two of 81/80, 126/125 and 225/224.  
In septimal meantone, ten fifths get to the interval class for 7, so that [[7/4]] is an augmented sixth (C–A♯), [[7/6]] is an augmented second (C–D♯), [[7/5]] is an augmented fourth (C–F♯), and [[21/16]] is an augmented third (C–E♯). This mapping is rationalized by the fact that 81/80 factors as ([[126/125]])⋅([[225/224]]), and septimal meantone tempers out both of these commas as well as their difference, [[3136/3125]]. In fact it can be defined as the 7-limit temperament that tempers out any two of 81/80, 126/125, 225/224, and 3136/3125.  


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{{See also| Huygens vs meanpop }}
{{See also| Huygens vs meanpop }}


Undecimal meantone<ref name="meantone & meanpop 2003">[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_6048.html#6052 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''good 11-limit meantones'']</ref> a.k.a. huygens<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_10437.html Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''The meantone family'']</ref><ref name="meantone & meanpop 2004">[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_10864.html#10870 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''names and definitions: meantone'']</ref> maps the [[11/8]] to the double-augmented third (C–E𝄪).  
Undecimal meantone<ref name="meantone & meanpop 2003">[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_6048.html#6052 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''good 11-limit meantones'']</ref> a.k.a. huygens<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_10437.html Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''The meantone family'']</ref><ref name="meantone & meanpop 2004">[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_10864.html#10870 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''names and definitions: meantone'']</ref> maps the [[11/8]] to the double-augmented third (C–E𝄪). See [[chords of huygens]] for a list of dyadic chords in this temperament.


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===== 17-limit =====
===== 17-limit =====
This extension is perhaps the most practical, as it maps 17/16 to the minor second (C–D♭), and 19/16 to the minor third (C–E♭), suitable for a system generated by a mildly tempered fifth.  
This extension maps 17/16 to the minor second (C–D♭), and 19/16 to the minor third (C–E♭), suitable for a system generated by a mildly tempered fifth.  


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=== Meanpop ===
=== Meanpop ===
{{See also| Meantone vs meanpop }}
{{See also| Huygens vs meanpop }}


Meanpop<ref name="meantone & meanpop 2003"/><ref name="meantone & meanpop 2004"/> maps the 11/8 to the double-diminished fifth (C–G𝄫), and tridecimal meanpop maps the 13/8 to the double-augmented fifth (C–G𝄪), tempering out 144/143 like in grosstone. Note also 11/10 is a double-diminished third; 12/11~13/12, double-augmented unison; and 14/13, minor second.  
Meanpop<ref name="meantone & meanpop 2003"/><ref name="meantone & meanpop 2004"/> maps the 11/8 to the double-diminished fifth (C–G𝄫), and tridecimal meanpop maps the 13/8 to the double-augmented fifth (C–G𝄪), tempering out 144/143 like in grosstone. Note also 11/10 is a double-diminished third; 12/11~13/12, double-augmented unison; and 14/13, minor second.  
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Badness (Sintel): 1.28
Badness (Sintel): 1.28
=== Migration ===
See [[Rastmic clan #Migration|Rastmic clan]].


== Flattone ==
== Flattone ==
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Badness (Sintel): 1.12
Badness (Sintel): 1.12


=== 13-limit ===
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness (Sintel): 0.920
Badness (Sintel): 0.920
=== Ptolemy ===
See [[Rastmic clan #Ptolemy|Rastmic clan]].


== Dominant ==
== Dominant ==
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Badness (Sintel): 0.864
Badness (Sintel): 0.864
=== Neutrominant ===
See [[Rastmic clan #Neutrominant|Rastmic clan]].


== Flattertone ==
== Flattertone ==
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== Mildtone ==
== Mildtone ==
Mildtone tempers out 16128/15625 and finds the interval class of 7 at 22 generators up, as a triple-augmented fifth (C–G#x). [[55edo]] and [[67edo]] are among the possible tunings.  
Mildtone tempers out [[16128/15625]] and finds the interval class of 7 at 22 generators up, as a triple-augmented fifth (C–G#x). [[55edo]] and [[67edo]] are among the possible tunings.  


Mildtone was named by [[User: Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] in 2024.  
Mildtone was named by [[User: Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] in 2024.  
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[[Badness]] (Sintel): 2.67
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 2.67
=== 11-limit ===
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11
[[Comma list]]: 81/80, 176/175, 7058/6875
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 -4 -32 | 0 1 4 22 30}}
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1199.816{{c}}, ~3/2 = 698.355{{c}}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 698.455{{c}}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, 43de, 55, 67 }}
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 2.15
=== 13-limit ===
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11.13
[[Comma list]]: 81/80, 176/175, 196/195, 832/825
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 -4 -32 -44 | 0 1 4 22 30}}
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1199.788{{c}}, ~3/2 = 698.355{{c}}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 698.471{{c}}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12f, 55f, 67 }}
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 2.04
=== 17-limit ===
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
[[Comma list]]: 81/80, 176/175, 189/197, 196/195, 832/825
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 -4 -32 -44 12| 0 1 4 22 30 -5}}
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1199.655{{c}}, ~3/2 = 698.295{{c}}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 698.488{{c}}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12f, 55f, 67 }}
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.98
=== 19-limit ===
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11.13.19
[[Comma list]]: 81/80, 96/95, 176/175, 189/187, 196/195, 832/825
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 -4 -32 -44 12 9| 0 1 4 22 30 -5 -3}}
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1199.371{{c}}, ~3/2 = 698.164{{c}}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 698.519{{c}}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12f, 55f, 67 }}
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.95
{{Todo|unify precision|review}}


== Supermean ==
== Supermean ==
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{{Main| Mohajira }}
{{Main| Mohajira }}


Mohajira can be viewed as derived from mohaha which maps the interval half a [[chromatic semitone|chroma]] flat of the minor seventh to ~7/4 so that 7/4 is mapped to a semidiminished seventh (C–Bdb), although mohajira really makes more sense as an 11-limit temperament. It tempers out 6144/6125, the [[porwell comma]]. It can be described as {{nowrap| 24 & 31 }}; its ploidacot is dicot. [[31edo]] makes for an excellent mohajira tuning, with generator 9\31.
Mohajira can be viewed as derived from [[mohaha]] which maps the interval half a [[chromatic semitone|chroma]] flat of the minor seventh to ~7/4 so that 7/4 is mapped to a semidiminished seventh (C–Bdb), although mohajira really makes more sense as an 11-limit temperament. It tempers out 6144/6125, the [[porwell comma]]. It can be described as {{nowrap| 24 & 31 }}; its ploidacot is dicot. [[31edo]] makes for an excellent mohajira tuning, with generator 9\31. Note that while 24 + 31 = [[55edo]] doesn't apear in the optimal ET sequence, it is a [[patent val]] tuning and recommendable if you prefer a light meantone tempering.


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