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'''Hello there! This page is for general discussion on how to improve the wiki. A community wish list of sorts.'''
'''Hello there! This page is for general discussion on how to improve the wiki. A community wish list of sorts.'''


'''For bugs, please report them at: [[Bugs]]'''
If you have an experimental proposal for changing or adding to the wiki in a new way, post it on this page.


''See also [[Xenharmonic Wiki:Conventions|Conventions]], [[Xenharmonic Wiki:Things to do|Things to Do]], [[Projects#WikiProjects]], [[Migration FAQ]], as well as [[:Category:Todo]] and its subcategories.''
If you have a proposal to improve the basic fundamentals of the wiki, post it at: [[Xenharmonic Wiki:Things to do|Things to Do]].
 
For bugs, please report them at: [[Bugs]].
 
 
 
''See also: [[Xenharmonic Wiki:Conventions|Conventions]], [[Projects#WikiProjects]], [[Help:Migration FAQ]], as well as [[:Category:Todo]] and its subcategories.''
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== Future of this wiki ==
== Future of this wiki ==
Please leave suggestions below. Don't forget to sign them: type <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> after your comment to leave a signature. For example: [[User:Battaglia01|Mike Battaglia]] ([[User talk:Battaglia01|talk]]) 12:46, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
Please leave suggestions below. Don't forget to sign them: type <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> after your comment to leave a signature. For example: [[User:Battaglia01|Mike Battaglia]] ([[User talk:Battaglia01|talk]]) 12:46, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
=== Transfer from riters.com ===
There are still a couple of pages at [https://web.archive.org/web/20050503032508/http://riters.com:80/microtonal/ http://riters.com/microtonal] that could be copied over if we want this to be the one true wiki. [[User:Xenjacob|zenjacob]] ([[User talk:Xenjacob|talk]] 21:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
: Warning: That site is very old! [[User:PiotrGrochowski|PiotrGrochowski]] ([[User talk:PiotrGrochowski|talk]]) 07:44, 19 September 2018 (UTC)


=== Improved Yahoo! search engine ===
=== Improved Yahoo! search engine ===
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=== Improved Listening List ===
=== Improved Listening List ===
The list of downloadable microtonal sounds is in good shape. It does need people to watch relevant sources (tuning and MMM lists come to mind) and add/update the links. A reviewing or rating system, perhaps also of CD releases, may additionally be helpful. [[User:Xenjacob|zenjacob]] ([[User talk:Xenjacob|talk]] 21:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
The list of downloadable microtonal sounds is in good shape. It does need people to watch relevant sources (tuning and MMM lists come to mind) and add/update the links. A reviewing or rating system, perhaps also of CD releases, may additionally be helpful. [[User:Xenjacob|zenjacob]] ([[User talk:Xenjacob|talk]] 21:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
=== Fill out the scale catalogue ===
Sources for this: all the Yahoo! lists, the Scala archive, original reflection on new and old scales, pages of X.J. Scott, David Finnamore, Tonalsoft...? Have at least one sound example (midi, mp3, ogg...) for each scale, and keep in mind that this wiki allows you to upload files up to 5 MB each.
Ever since learning about the [[MOSScales|MOS scales]] I have desired but not seen a good, thorough introduction to them, or to the two-dimensional method of creating scales. [[User:Xenjacob|zenjacob]] ([[User talk:Xenjacob|talk]] 21:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
=== An FAQ: everyone posts questions, answers ===
This could be sufficiently primed by mining the lists. But more importantly it would need to be linked to by a high-search-engine-ranking page. [[User:Xenjacob|zenjacob]] ([[User talk:Xenjacob|talk]] 21:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


=== Pages on debates? ===
=== Pages on debates? ===
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Javascript is by default disabled on Mediawiki for security reasons. However, it could be a really really powerful tool for making accessible, interactive explanations for a lot of things. Just as an example, imagine that any number followed by ¢ would automagically create an exemplary audio file like the one linked to at the top of [[octave]]...imagine something like that playing when you hover over the text. Or imagine a [[wikipedia:Lissajous curve|Lissajous curve]] appears in the background when you hover over a just ratio. There are some of us capable in Javascript, and some extant widgets written in Javascript, like [https://ia601408.us.archive.org/1/items/mosedo.html/mosedo.html Billy Stiltner's MOSedo] and [http://untwelve.org/online_tools AKJ's tools]. We need at least a collected xenharmonic Javascript library, and maybe that project can't live here, but it would be nice to see it eventually integrated somehow. [[User:Xenjacob|Xenjacob]] ([[User talk:Xenjacob|talk]]) 15:51, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
Javascript is by default disabled on Mediawiki for security reasons. However, it could be a really really powerful tool for making accessible, interactive explanations for a lot of things. Just as an example, imagine that any number followed by ¢ would automagically create an exemplary audio file like the one linked to at the top of [[octave]]...imagine something like that playing when you hover over the text. Or imagine a [[wikipedia:Lissajous curve|Lissajous curve]] appears in the background when you hover over a just ratio. There are some of us capable in Javascript, and some extant widgets written in Javascript, like [https://ia601408.us.archive.org/1/items/mosedo.html/mosedo.html Billy Stiltner's MOSedo] and [http://untwelve.org/online_tools AKJ's tools]. We need at least a collected xenharmonic Javascript library, and maybe that project can't live here, but it would be nice to see it eventually integrated somehow. [[User:Xenjacob|Xenjacob]] ([[User talk:Xenjacob|talk]]) 15:51, 22 September 2018 (UTC)


=== Add more languages ===
=== Create pages for the Edo recommendation hub page ===
This wiki could benefit from [[What languages do various users know?|wiki translators]] to add new languages to this wiki. [[User:PiotrGrochowski|PiotrGrochowski]] ([[User talk:PiotrGrochowski|talk]]) 18:05, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
Create pages where you recommend a list of [[edo]]s to beginners.
 
Follow the standardised structure shown on the page [[Edo recommendation hub page]] to make it easy for readers to compare with the other lists.
 
When your page is done, link it on [[Edo recommendation hub page]].
 
And/or create flow charts to help beginners choose edos,  and link those on [[Edo recommendation hub page]].
 
[[Budjarn Lambeth]] 05:46, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
 
=== Create a unified "Chains, circles and spirals" page ===
 
On the [[Discord]] today, [[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] posted the following proposal, it received a lot of upvotes:
 
::"Chains are basically 1d lattices, probably something worth mentioning in some form.
 
::Circles and spirals are just different ways to represent chains.
 
::Therefore, it would make sense to have a single page about chains, circles and spirals.
 
::The merge doesn't have to be done immediately, of course, but I think that's the best course of action in the long term.
 
::Chains are relevant not only in edos, but also in rank-2 regular temperaments, where the octave dimension is collapsed (as is common in a circle of fifths, for that matter), leaving only one other generator to stack, making a single chain. Several temperament pages have such chains, for that matter."
 
[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 07:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
 
=== Donations link? ===


=== Add image annotations ===
I'd like to contribute to support the site. Where can I do this?  I searched (admittedly several weeks ago now) using "contribute", "contribution", "donate", "donation", "subscribe", and "subscription", but did not find anything. (The home page has a section titled "Contributing to the Xenharmonic Wiki", but it doesn't say anything about contributing money to help run the site.) If a page for this (or some functional equivalent) exists (does one exist?), it should have a link from the home page.
Could you install this https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Gadget-ImageAnnotator/Installation so we can add annotations to diagrams, like labeling chords in [[:File:Consonance map, triads, sawtooth waves.png]] ? [[User:ResonantFrequencies|ResonantFrequencies]] ([[User talk:ResonantFrequencies|talk]]) 17:51, 26 January 2019 (UTC)


: Process for importing templates and all their dependencies: https://webmasters.stackexchange.com/questions/117429/how-to-use-wikipedia-templates-on-an-outside-mediawiki/117436#117436 [[User:ResonantFrequencies|ResonantFrequencies]] ([[User talk:ResonantFrequencies|talk]]) 02:38, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Added: [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 21:45, 24 March 2025 (UTC)<br>
Last modified: [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 22:29, 10 September 2025 (UTC)


=== Interwiki for xen-calc ===
: Me too, and I'd like information about who runs it and how it will stay online when people disappear or lose interest, etc. Too much link rot these days... [[User:ResonantFrequencies|ResonantFrequencies]] ([[User talk:ResonantFrequencies|talk]]) 22:37, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
Requesting interwiki for <code>https://www.yacavone.net/xen-calc/?q=$1</code>. These links are used by [[Template:Infobox Interval]] and captchas are annoying. [[User:Plumtree|Plumtree]] ([[User talk:Plumtree|talk]]) 15:02, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


=== Create table of interval pages for large edos you’re familiar with ===
:: The person who runs it is Tyler Henthorn, contactable on the [[Xenharmonic Alliance]] Facebook groups. He is quite busy at the moment though trying to modify the site so it's less vulnerable to AI scraper bots (which cause lag and downtime) - so he may not be able to reply for a few days due to that.  
If you are familiar with a large edo (100edo or higher), please create a “Table of #edo intervals” page for it, along the lines of [[Table of 99edo intervals]] or [[Table of 198edo intervals]].


Please only do this if you are familiar with the edo, though: i.e. you have made music with the edo, or the edo falls within your sphere of expertise as a theorist.  
You can alternatively contact any of the people listed in [[Xenharmonic Wiki:Bureaucrats]] - Flora and Fredg are the most active.  


[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] and [[User:BudjarnLambeth|Budjarn Lambeth]], 21 January 2024.
Anyone can make their own backups of the wiki for free - go to [[Xenharmonic Wiki:Backups]] for information on how to do that. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 02:45, 15 February 2026 (UTC)


=== More sound examples ===
=== Page counts for subcategories ===


We should really add some sound examples - it makes regular wikipedia and other xen websites much more comprehensible/easily digestable.
On wikipedia, in a category, each subcategory has its number of pages and subcategories shown. It would be helpful to implement this here as well, especially being useful in [[:Category:Todo]]. [[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 06:03, 13 January 2026 (UTC)


--RobFast on XA Discord, 23 January 2024.
=== To stop formula rendering on all edit summaries ===


=== Add no-twos consistency to Infobox ET ===
We are planning to change the specification so that equation rendering in the edit comments on each page's History/diffs and [[Special:RecentChanges]] is stopped. This is because [[Xenharmonic Wiki talk:Bugs #Bug_in_interpreting_certain_characters_in_change_comments|it can be inconvenient when trying to include regular expressions for sed commands in edit summaries]]. With this change, raw comments will be displayed, including past edit summaries. We will announce this here, and plan to make the change in about a week. We welcome your opinions. --[[User:Dummy index|Dummy index]] ([[User talk:Dummy index|talk]]) 16:12, 15 January 2026 (UTC)
The no-twos consistency limit should be added to [[Template:Infobox ET]] for EDTs.


Suggested by '''[[User:Lériendil|Lériendil]]''' on the XA Discord roughly 30 hours ago, and received 7 positive reacts and no negative reacts.
: Sounds like the right thing for security.  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 21:04, 15 January 2026 (UTC)


—[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 06:22, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
=== Protect templates ===


=== Create a "comma names explained" page ===
Some templates, such as [[Template:Infobox ET|Infobox ET]], are transcluded onto many pages, and thus should probably be protected. This will prevent vandalism on these templates, as well as safeguard against accidental breakage by inexperienced users. [[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 00:56, 15 February 2026 (UTC)


Create a page explaining how to interpet the following types of comma names:
: Could you make a list of all the templates that might need to be protected? I think a specific list is more likely to result in something being actioned. I do think this is a broadly good idea. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 02:39, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
* "31-comma", "63-comma", "241-comma", etc.
* "11-3/5-comma", "300-3/5-comma", "45-7/5-comma" etc.
* "87-15-comma", "21-23-comma", "59-5 comma", etc.
* "35-cycle", "21-cycle", "19-cycle", etc.
* "5/7-kleisma", "35/11 kleisma", etc.
* "19th partial chroma", "29th partial chroma", etc.
* "34-jubilismic", "23 semitone", "19-minor mediant", etc.
* "87-fold starling comma" (what does 87-fold mean?)
* "prima", "secunda", any other related words
* "trientone", "trienstonic", any other related words
* "hexadecatone", "hendecatonic", any other related words


I would do this myself but I don't actually know what any of them mean.  
:: There is a list of top transcluded pages at [[Special:MostTranscludedPages]]. I think the top 20 should be fully protected, as well as some metatemplates like [[Template:Yesno]], and some character substitution templates. The top 50 or so should be semi-protected, or maybe extended-confirmed (which doesn't exist yet) protected. There's maybe more; that's just a start. [[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 04:14, 15 February 2026 (UTC)


—[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 24 October 2024 (Sydney time)
: Have there been issues recently or is it only preventive? I wouldn't want to protect pages excessively either, because that may limit useful contributions as well. If there are specific examples, it might help me understand the current content. (I do skim the recent changes regularly, but I don't necessarily notice all page-breaking changes that may occur.) --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 03:28, 16 February 2026 (UTC)


::: '''Update:''' Work on this has begun, but is still ongoing. Contribute at: [[Systematic comma names explained]]
:: Ok, maybe it wouldn't be necessary right now. Perhaps it could be considered if this wiki becomes larger in the future. --[[User:Overthink|Overthink]] ([[User talk:Overthink|talk]]) 19:21, 16 February 2026 (UTC)


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