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{{Infobox Interval
{{Infobox Interval
| JI glyph = [[File:ji_glyph_7_5.png|x48px]]
| Name = narrow tritone, lesser septimal tritone, Huygens' tritone
| Ratio = 7/5
| Color name = zg5, zogu 5th
| Monzo = 0 0 -1 1
| Cents = 582.51219
| Name = Huygens tritone
| Sound = jid_7_5_pluck_adu_dr220.mp3
| Sound = jid_7_5_pluck_adu_dr220.mp3
| Color name = zg5, zogu 5th
}}
}}
{{Wikipedia|Septimal tritone}}


In [[7-limit]] [[Just Intonation]], '''7/5''' is a '''narrow tritone''' (or '''Huygens tritone''') measuring about 582.5¢. It is a noticeable 17.5¢ away from the 600¢ half-octave (square root of 2) tritone of [[12edo]] and every even-numbered [[EDO]]. It represents the difference between [[7/4]] and [[5/4]].
In [[7-limit]] [[just intonation]], '''7/5''' is a '''narrow [[tritone]]''' (or '''Huygens' tritone''') measuring about 582.5¢. It is a noticeable 17.5¢ away from the 600¢ half-octave (square root of 2) tritone of [[12edo]] and every even-numbered [[edo]]. It represents the difference between [[7/4]] and [[5/4]].  


7/5 is notable for its low [[Harmonic Entropy|harmonic entropy]], and is often reported to sound more consonant than the half-octave tritone; indeed it appears in the 4:5:6:7 tetrad that forms the basis of consonance in 7-limit JI. Its inversion is [[10/7]], which measures about 617.5¢, and these two septimal tritones differ by the [[superparticular]] interval [[50/49]], about 35.0¢. Systems which temper out 50/49 will equate 7/5 and [[10/7]], usually to the 600¢ half-octave.
While in the context of the [[harmonic seventh chord]], it is rightly recognized as a type of diminished fifth, it can also be argued on the basis of the fact that 7/5 interval is smaller than 600 cents that it acts more as a type of augmented fourth than a diminished fifth – an analysis that is required in cases where this interval occurs in a [[5L 2s|diatonic scale]] that demonstrates [[Rothenberg propriety]]. This is one of the reasons why 7/4 can be argued to be a type of "sinth" – a cross between a sixth and a seventh – as opposed to merely a subminor seventh.


Another just tritone is the [[3-limit]] 729/512, 611.7¢, and this is literally a tri-tone, since it is (9/8)<sup>3</sup>, or three "whole tones". Yet another is [[45/32]], about 590.2¢, which appears in the [[5-limit]] (inversion is [[64/45]]). See also [[13/9]], [[18/13]], [[17/12]], [[24/17]], [[25/18]] and [[36/25]].
7/5 is notable for its low [[harmonic entropy]], and is often reported to sound more consonant than the half-octave tritone; indeed it appears in the harmonic seventh chord that forms the basis of consonance in 7-limit JI. Its inversion is [[10/7]], which measures about 617., and these two septimal tritones differ by the [[superparticular]] interval [[50/49]], about 35.0¢. Systems which temper out 50/49 will equate 7/5 and [[10/7]], usually to the 600¢ half-octave.


Another just tritone is [[729/512]] (611.7¢), and this is literally a tri-tone, since it is (9/8)<sup>3</sup>, or three "whole tones". Yet another is [[45/32]], about 590.2¢, which appears in the [[5-limit]] (inversion is [[64/45]]). See also [[13/9]], [[18/13]], [[17/12]], [[24/17]], [[25/18]] and [[36/25]].
== Approximation ==
{{Interval edo approximation|7/5}}
== See also ==
== See also ==
* [[Tritone]]
* [[Gallery of Just Intervals]]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritone Tritone - Wikipedia]


[[Category:7-limit]]
* [[10/7]] – its [[octave complement]]
[[Category:interval]]
* [[15/14]] – its [[fifth complement]]
[[Category:just_interval]]
* [[Gallery of just intervals]]
[[Category:ratio]]
 
[[Category:Tritone]]
[[Category:Tritone]]
[[Category:Over-5 intervals]]
[[Category:Taxicab-2 intervals]]

Latest revision as of 13:53, 8 January 2026

Interval information
Ratio 7/5
Factorization 5-1 × 7
Monzo [0 0 -1 1
Size in cents 582.5122¢
Names narrow tritone,
lesser septimal tritone,
Huygens' tritone
Color name zg5, zogu 5th
FJS name [math]\displaystyle{ \text{d5}^{7}_{5} }[/math]
Special properties reduced
Tenney norm (log2 nd) 5.12928
Weil norm (log2 max(n, d)) 5.61471
Wilson norm (sopfr(nd)) 12

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In 7-limit just intonation, 7/5 is a narrow tritone (or Huygens' tritone) measuring about 582.5¢. It is a noticeable 17.5¢ away from the 600¢ half-octave (square root of 2) tritone of 12edo and every even-numbered edo. It represents the difference between 7/4 and 5/4.

While in the context of the harmonic seventh chord, it is rightly recognized as a type of diminished fifth, it can also be argued on the basis of the fact that 7/5 interval is smaller than 600 cents that it acts more as a type of augmented fourth than a diminished fifth – an analysis that is required in cases where this interval occurs in a diatonic scale that demonstrates Rothenberg propriety. This is one of the reasons why 7/4 can be argued to be a type of "sinth" – a cross between a sixth and a seventh – as opposed to merely a subminor seventh.

7/5 is notable for its low harmonic entropy, and is often reported to sound more consonant than the half-octave tritone; indeed it appears in the harmonic seventh chord that forms the basis of consonance in 7-limit JI. Its inversion is 10/7, which measures about 617.5¢, and these two septimal tritones differ by the superparticular interval 50/49, about 35.0¢. Systems which temper out 50/49 will equate 7/5 and 10/7, usually to the 600¢ half-octave.

Another just tritone is 729/512 (611.7¢), and this is literally a tri-tone, since it is (9/8)3, or three "whole tones". Yet another is 45/32, about 590.2¢, which appears in the 5-limit (inversion is 64/45). See also 13/9, 18/13, 17/12, 24/17, 25/18 and 36/25.

Approximation

Edo approximations for 7/5 (582.51 ¢)
≤ 80edo, relative error ≤ 10%
Edo Step size Cents (¢) Absolute error (¢) Relative error (%)
2 1\2 600.00 +17.49 +2.91
4 2\4 600.00 +17.49 +5.83
6 3\6 600.00 +17.49 +8.74
29 14\29 579.31 -3.20 -7.74
31 15\31 580.65 -1.87 -4.82
33 16\33 581.82 -0.69 -1.91
35 17\35 582.86 +0.34 +1.01
37 18\37 583.78 +1.27 +3.92
39 19\39 584.62 +2.10 +6.84
41 20\41 585.37 +2.85 +9.75
62 30\62 580.65 -1.87 -9.65
64 31\64 581.25 -1.26 -6.73
66 32\66 581.82 -0.69 -3.82
68 33\68 582.35 -0.16 -0.90
70 34\70 582.86 +0.34 +2.01
72 35\72 583.33 +0.82 +4.93
74 36\74 583.78 +1.27 +7.84

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