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{{Infobox Interval
{{Infobox Interval
| JI glyph =  
| Name = just major seventh, classic(al) major seventh, ptolemaic major seventh
| Ratio = 15/8
| Color name = y7, yo 7th
| Monzo = -3 1 1
| Cents = 1088.26871
| Name = major seventh
| Sound = jid_15_8_pluck_adu_dr220.mp3
| Sound = jid_15_8_pluck_adu_dr220.mp3
| Color name = y7, yo 7th
}}
}}
In [[5-limit]] [[Just Intonation]], '''15/8''' is a '''major seventh''' of about 1088.3¢. It is also the 15th overtone ([[octave-reduced]]), and appears as a complex consonance in chords such as 8:10:12:15, a just version of a major seventh chord. Since 15 is 3*5, it can be seen as a perfect fifth above a major third or vice versa, and this understanding is compatible with the 1100¢ interval of [[12edo]].
{{Wikipedia|Major seventh}}
In [[5-limit]] [[just intonation]], '''15/8''' is the '''just major seventh''', '''classic(al) major seventh''', or '''ptolemaic major seventh'''<ref>For reference, see [[5-limit]]. </ref> of about 1088.3¢. It is also the [[octave-reduced]] 15th [[harmonic]], and appears as a complex consonance in chords such as [[8:10:12:15]], a just version of a major seventh chord. Since 15/8 = [[3/2]] × [[5/4]], it can be seen as a perfect fifth above a major third or vice versa, and this understanding works in [[12edo]], as the sum of [[~]]3/2 and ~5/4 is 700{{c}} + 400{{c}} = 1100{{c}}, which 15/8 is mapped to.


Since 15 is a perfect fifth above 10 (15/10 = [[3/2]]), [[List_of_root-3rd-P5_triads_in_JI|root-3rd-P5 triads]] can be formed with the 10th harmonic as root and 15th harmonic as perfect fifth. The simplest and most familiar example is the classic minor triad 10:12:15 -- a [[6/5]] with a [[5/4]] stacked on top of it. Another is the Barbados triad, 10:13:15 -- a [[13/10]] on bottom and a [[15/13]] on top. And a particularly uncommon but mentionable example is the [[23-limit]] inframinor triad 20:23:30.
Since 15 is a perfect fifth above 10 (15/10 = [[3/2]]), seventh chords can be formed with the 10th harmonic as major third and 15th harmonic as major seventh. The simplest and most familiar example is the classical major seventh chord 8:10:12:15 with steps 5/4, 6/5 and 5/4. Another example replaces the 12 with 13, which leads to [[8:10:13:15]] with steps 5/4, 13/10 and 15/13, and contains the [[10:13:15]] barbados triad. A particularly uncommon but mentionable example is the [[23-limit]] seventh chord [[16:20:23:30]].
== Approximation ==
{{Interval edo approximation|15/8}}


== See also ==
== See also ==
* [[16/15]] its [[inverse interval]]
* [[16/15]] its [[octave complement]]
* [[8/5]] – its [[twelfth complement]]
* [[Ed15/8]]
* [[Gallery of just intervals]]
* [[Gallery of just intervals]]


[[Category:5-limit]]
== Notes ==
[[Category:Interval]]
<references/>
[[Category:Just interval]]
 
[[Category:Ratio]]
[[Category:Seventh]]
[[Category:Seventh]]
[[Category:Minor seventh]]
[[Category:Major seventh]]
[[Category:Sound example]]

Latest revision as of 21:53, 22 December 2025

Interval information
Ratio 15/8
Factorization 2-3 × 3 × 5
Monzo [-3 1 1
Size in cents 1088.269¢
Names just major seventh,
classic(al) major seventh,
ptolemaic major seventh
Color name y7, yo 7th
FJS name [math]\displaystyle{ \text{M7}^{5} }[/math]
Special properties reduced,
reduced harmonic
Tenney norm (log2 nd) 6.90689
Weil norm (log2 max(n, d)) 7.81378
Wilson norm (sopfr(nd)) 14

[sound info]
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In 5-limit just intonation, 15/8 is the just major seventh, classic(al) major seventh, or ptolemaic major seventh[1] of about 1088.3¢. It is also the octave-reduced 15th harmonic, and appears as a complex consonance in chords such as 8:10:12:15, a just version of a major seventh chord. Since 15/8 = 3/2 × 5/4, it can be seen as a perfect fifth above a major third or vice versa, and this understanding works in 12edo, as the sum of ~3/2 and ~5/4 is 700 ¢ + 400 ¢ = 1100 ¢, which 15/8 is mapped to.

Since 15 is a perfect fifth above 10 (15/10 = 3/2), seventh chords can be formed with the 10th harmonic as major third and 15th harmonic as major seventh. The simplest and most familiar example is the classical major seventh chord 8:10:12:15 with steps 5/4, 6/5 and 5/4. Another example replaces the 12 with 13, which leads to 8:10:13:15 with steps 5/4, 13/10 and 15/13, and contains the 10:13:15 barbados triad. A particularly uncommon but mentionable example is the 23-limit seventh chord 16:20:23:30.

Approximation

Edo approximations for 15/8 (1088.27 ¢)
≤ 80edo, relative error ≤ 10%
Edo Step size Cents (¢) Absolute error (¢) Relative error (%)
10 9\10 1080.00 -8.27 -6.89
11 10\11 1090.91 +2.64 +2.42
21 19\21 1085.71 -2.55 -4.47
22 20\22 1090.91 +2.64 +4.84
32 29\32 1087.50 -0.77 -2.05
33 30\33 1090.91 +2.64 +7.26
42 38\42 1085.71 -2.55 -8.94
43 39\43 1088.37 +0.10 +0.37
44 40\44 1090.91 +2.64 +9.68
53 48\53 1086.79 -1.48 -6.52
54 49\54 1088.89 +0.62 +2.79
64 58\64 1087.50 -0.77 -4.10
65 59\65 1089.23 +0.96 +5.21
75 68\75 1088.00 -0.27 -1.68
76 69\76 1089.47 +1.20 +7.63

See also

Notes

  1. For reference, see 5-limit.