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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">**18/17**
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98.9546 cents
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In [[17-limit]] [[Just Intonation]], 18/17 is the "small septendecimal semitone" of about 99¢. It is very close to [[12edo]]'s "half step" of 100¢, and fairly close to the "large septendecimal semitone" of [[17_16|17/16]] (~105¢).
In [[17-limit]] [[just intonation]], '''18/17''' is the '''small septendecimal semitone''' of about 99{{cent}}. It is very close to [[12edo]]'s "half step" of 100¢, and fairly close to the "large septendecimal semitone" of [[17/16]] (~105¢).


See: [[Gallery of Just Intervals]]</pre></div>
== Terminology and notation ==
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Conceptualization systems disagree on whether [[17/16]] should be a [[diatonic semitone]] or a [[chromatic semitone]], and as a result the disagreement propagates to all intervals of [[harmonic class|HC17]]. See [[17-limit]] for a detailed discussion.
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For 18/17 specifically:
98.9546 cents&lt;br /&gt;
* In the [[Functional Just System]], it is a chromatic semitone, separated by [[4131/4096]] from the [[2187/2048|Pythagorean augmented unison (2187/2048)]].  
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* In [[Helmholtz-Ellis notation]], it is a diatonic semitone, separated by [[2187/2176]] from the [[256/243|Pythagorean minor second (256/243)]].  
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In &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/17-limit"&gt;17-limit&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Just%20Intonation"&gt;Just Intonation&lt;/a&gt;, 18/17 is the &amp;quot;small septendecimal semitone&amp;quot; of about 99¢. It is very close to &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/12edo"&gt;12edo&lt;/a&gt;'s &amp;quot;half step&amp;quot; of 100¢, and fairly close to the &amp;quot;large septendecimal semitone&amp;quot; of &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/17_16"&gt;17/16&lt;/a&gt; (~105¢).&lt;br /&gt;
The term ''small septendecimal semitone'' omits the diatonic/chromatic part and only describes its melodic property i.e. the size. It is said in contrast to the large septendecimal semitone of 17/16.  
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See: &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Gallery%20of%20Just%20Intervals"&gt;Gallery of Just Intervals&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>
== Temperaments ==
{{w|Vincenzo Galilei}} (1520-1591) proposed a tuning based on eleven 18/17 semitones and one larger semitone of about 111.5{{cent}} (the [[octave complement]])<ref>Barbour, J. Murray. ''[https://archive.org/details/tuningtemperamen00barb/page/n7/mode/2up Tuning and temperament: a historical survey]'', p.&nbsp;57.</ref>. This [[well temperament]] provides seven wide perfect fifths of about 705.2{{cent}} and five narrow perfect fifths of about 692.7{{cent}}, whose distribution is [[maximally even]] instead of grouping together the wide and the narrow fifths along the [[circle of fifths]], as is often the case in other well temperaments.
 
The following [[linear temperament]]s are [[generate]]d by a [[~]]18/17 in the 2.3.5.17 and 2.3.5.17.19 [[subgroup]]s:
* [[Quintaleap]]
* [[Quindromeda]]
* [[Schismatic_family#Quintilischis_(2.3.5.17)|Quintilischis]].
{{todo|complete list}}
Note that all of these reach [[4/3]] as a stack of five 18/17 intervals (tempering out the [[quinticular comma]]).
 
Some [[12th-octave temperaments]] treat ~18/17 as the period, including [[compton]]'s 17-limit extension.
 
== See also ==
* [[17/9]] – its [[octave complement]]
* [[17/12]] – its [[fifth complement]]
* [[Gallery of just intervals]]
* [[List of superparticular intervals]]
 
== References ==
<references/>
 
[[Category:Second]]
[[Category:Chroma]]
[[Category:Semitone]]
[[Category:Commas named after their interval size]]