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A '''generator''' is an interval which is [[Stacking|stacked]] repeatedly to create pitches in a [[tuning system]] or a [[scale]].  
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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">A [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generating_set_of_a_group|set of generators]] for a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_%28mathematics%29|group]] is a subset of the elements of the group which is not contained in any [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subgroup|proper subgroup]], which is to say, any subgroup which is not the whole group. If the set is a finite set, the group is called finitely generated. If it is also an [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abelian_group|abelian group]], it is called a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finitely_generated_abelian_group|finitely generated abelian group]].


If the abelian group is written additively, then if {g1, g2, ... gk} is the generating set, every element g of the group can be written
In [[MOS scale]]s, the generator is an interval that you stack up and reduce by the [[period]] of the mos to construct the MOS pattern within each period. Along with the [[period]], it is one of two defining intervals of the MOS. For example:
* In [[diatonic]] (LLLsLLs), the perfect fifth is a generator: stacking 6 fifths up from the tonic and reducing by the octave produces the pattern LLLsLLs, the Lydian mode. Note that the perfect fourth and the perfect twelfth can also work as generators.
* In [[2L 8s|jaric]] (ssLssssLss), the perfect fifth ([[~]][[3/2]]) is a generator and the half-octave is the period.


g = n1g1 + n2g2 + ... + nkgk
== Mathematical definition ==
A '''generating set''' of a [[Wikipedia: Group (mathematics)|group]] is a subset of the elements of the group which is not contained in any [[Wikipedia: Subgroup|proper subgroup]], which is to say, any subgroup which is not the whole group. If the set is a finite set, the group is called finitely generated. If it is also an [[Wikipedia: Abelian group|abelian group]], it is called a [[Wikipedia:Finitely generated abelian group|finitely generated abelian group]]. An element of a generating set is called a generator.


where the ni are integers. If the group operation is multiplicative,
A '''minimal generating set''' is a generating set which has no "redundant" or "unnecessary" generators. In [[Wikipedia: Free abelian group|free abelian groups]] such as [[just intonation subgroup]]s or its [[regular temperament]]s, this is the same thing as a [[basis]]. For example, {2, 3, 5} and {2, 3, 5/3} are bases for the JI subgroup 2.3.5. However, {2, 3, 5, 15} is not a basis: 15 = 3 × 5, so we can take out 15 from this generating set and the set will remain a generating set.


g = g1^n1 g2^n2 ... gk^nk
If the group operation is written additively, then if <math>\lbrace g_1, g_2, \ldots g_k \rbrace</math> is the generating set, every element <math>g</math> of the group can be written


An important example is provided by [[Regular Temperaments|regular temperaments]], where if a particular tuning for the temperament is written additively, the generators can be taken as intervals expressed in terms of cents, and if multiplicatively, as intervals given as frequency ratios. Another example is provided by [[just intonation subgroups]], where the generators are a finite set of positive rational numbers.
<math>g = n_1 g_1 + n_2 g_2 + \ldots + n_k g_k</math>


These two example converge when we seek generators for the abstract temperament rather than any particular tuning of it. One way to obtain these is to use the [[http://mathworld.wolfram.com/InteriorProduct.html|interior product]] of a [[Wedgies and Multivals|wedgie]] for a p-limit temperament with the p-limit monzos. A less abstract approach is to define a [[transversal]] for the temperament by giving generators for a just intonation subgroup which when tempered becomes the notes of the temperament.
where the <math>n_i</math> are integers. If the group operation is written multiplicatively,


For example, for [[Gamelismic clan|miracle temperament]] [2, 15/14] defines a rank two 7-limit subgroup whose [[Normal lists|normal interval list]] is [2, 15/7]. We might also use [2, 16/15], with a normal interval list [2, 15]. When tempered by miracle, [2, 15/14] and [2, 16/15] lead to the same notes; hence we can use either for a transversal. Either pair may be considered a generating set for the abstract temperament.
<math>g = {g_1}^{n_1} {g_2}^{n_2} \ldots {g_k}^{n_k}</math>


Alternatively, using "v" to represent the interior product, we have mir = &lt;&lt;6 -7 -2 -25 -20 15|| for the wedgie of 7-limit miracle. Then the interior product mir v |1 0 0 0&gt; is &lt;0 -6 7 2|, with 15/14 we get mir v |-1 1 1 -1&gt; is &lt;1 1 3 3|, and with 16/15 we get mir v |4 -1 -1 0&gt; is also &lt;1 1 3 3|. Unlike the case for just intonation subgroups, the rank two group for the abstract temperament in terms of interior products is already exactly the same.</pre></div>
=== Relation to music ===
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An important example is provided by [[regular temperaments]], where if a particular tuning for the temperament is written additively, the generators can be taken as intervals expressed in terms of cents, and if multiplicatively, as intervals given as frequency ratios. Another example is provided by [[just intonation subgroups]], where the generators are a finite set of positive rational numbers, forming a [[basis]], which are typically the literal prime numbers up to a given prime limit. These two example converge when we seek generators for the [[abstract regular temperament|abstract temperament]] rather than any particular tuning of it.
<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">&lt;html&gt;&lt;head&gt;&lt;title&gt;Generators&lt;/title&gt;&lt;/head&gt;&lt;body&gt;A &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generating_set_of_a_group" rel="nofollow"&gt;set of generators&lt;/a&gt; for a &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_%28mathematics%29" rel="nofollow"&gt;group&lt;/a&gt; is a subset of the elements of the group which is not contained in any &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subgroup" rel="nofollow"&gt;proper subgroup&lt;/a&gt;, which is to say, any subgroup which is not the whole group. If the set is a finite set, the group is called finitely generated. If it is also an &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abelian_group" rel="nofollow"&gt;abelian group&lt;/a&gt;, it is called a &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finitely_generated_abelian_group" rel="nofollow"&gt;finitely generated abelian group&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
 
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=== Convention ===
If the abelian group is written additively, then if {g1, g2, ... gk} is the generating set, every element g of the group can be written&lt;br /&gt;
In [[rank|multirank]] systems, it is customary that generators are said as opposed to the period. Specifically, the first generator is called the period, and only the rest are called the generators.
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g = n1g1 + n2g2 + ... + nkgk&lt;br /&gt;
Combined with another convention that both [[JI subgroup]]s and [[Mapping|temperament mappings]] are documented in the [[canonical form]], temperaments commonly have a period of the [[octave]] or a fraction thereof. That, however, does not stop one from creating non-octave scales or expressing the same system in terms of other bases through [[generator form manipulation]].
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where the ni are integers. If the group operation is multiplicative,&lt;br /&gt;
== See also ==
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* [[Wikipedia: Generating set of a group]]
g = g1^n1 g2^n2 ... gk^nk&lt;br /&gt;
 
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== References ==
An important example is provided by &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Regular%20Temperaments"&gt;regular temperaments&lt;/a&gt;, where if a particular tuning for the temperament is written additively, the generators can be taken as intervals expressed in terms of cents, and if multiplicatively, as intervals given as frequency ratios. Another example is provided by &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/just%20intonation%20subgroups"&gt;just intonation subgroups&lt;/a&gt;, where the generators are a finite set of positive rational numbers.&lt;br /&gt;
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These two example converge when we seek generators for the abstract temperament rather than any particular tuning of it. One way to obtain these is to use the &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://mathworld.wolfram.com/InteriorProduct.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;interior product&lt;/a&gt; of a &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Wedgies%20and%20Multivals"&gt;wedgie&lt;/a&gt; for a p-limit temperament with the p-limit monzos. A less abstract approach is to define a &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/transversal"&gt;transversal&lt;/a&gt; for the temperament by giving generators for a just intonation subgroup which when tempered becomes the notes of the temperament.&lt;br /&gt;
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For example, for &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Gamelismic%20clan"&gt;miracle temperament&lt;/a&gt; [2, 15/14] defines a rank two 7-limit subgroup whose &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Normal%20lists"&gt;normal interval list&lt;/a&gt; is [2, 15/7]. We might also use [2, 16/15], with a normal interval list [2, 15]. When tempered by miracle, [2, 15/14] and [2, 16/15] lead to the same notes; hence we can use either for a transversal. Either pair may be considered a generating set for the abstract temperament.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:MOS scale]]
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Alternatively, using &amp;quot;v&amp;quot; to represent the interior product, we have mir = &amp;lt;&amp;lt;6 -7 -2 -25 -20 15|| for the wedgie of 7-limit miracle. Then the interior product mir v |1 0 0 0&amp;gt; is &amp;lt;0 -6 7 2|, with 15/14 we get mir v |-1 1 1 -1&amp;gt; is &amp;lt;1 1 3 3|, and with 16/15 we get mir v |4 -1 -1 0&amp;gt; is also &amp;lt;1 1 3 3|. Unlike the case for just intonation subgroups, the rank two group for the abstract temperament in terms of interior products is already exactly the same.&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>