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This is a subpage for TAMNAMS-related notes, containing various proposals of varying degrees of usefulness and other useful things.
This is a subpage for [[TAMNAMS]]-related notes, containing various proposals of varying degrees of usefulness and other useful things.


== Step ratio spectrum visualization ==
== Step ratio spectrum visualization ==
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=== Mosdescendants for multi-period mosses ===
=== Mosdescendants for multi-period mosses ===
TAMNAMS has names for 2-period mosses up to 10 notes, and as such, mosdescendant names apply to mosses whose children have more than 10 notes: jaric, taric, ekic, lemon, and lime.
TAMNAMS has names for 2-period mosses up to 10 notes, and as such, mosdescendant names apply to mosses whose children have more than 10 notes: '''jaric''', '''taric''', '''ekic''', '''lemon''', and '''lime'''. Likewise, there are 3-period scales up to 9 notes, so mosdescendant names apply to '''tcherepnin''' and '''hyrulic'''.
{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
|+2-period mosses for which mosdescendant names apply
|+2 and 3-period mosses for which mosdescendant names apply
! colspan="8" |2-period mosses
! colspan="8" |2-period mosses
|-
|-
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|[[4L 6s]]
|[[4L 6s]]
|'''lime'''
|'''lime'''
|}
|-
Starting at 3 periods, mosdescendant names apply only to n-wood scales (triwood, tetrawood, pentawood, etc), where the names of mosdescendants are based on names for single-period mosses up to 5 notes and thereby limited to mosdescendants with 5n notes; any descendants after that are referred as to '''n-wood descendants'''.
! colspan="8" |3-period mosses
 
Since the names for single-period mosses up to 5 notes may also be used for non-octave periods, these names are used for multi-period mosses, producing n-antrial, n-trial, n-antetric, n-tetric, n-antipentic, n-pentic, n-pedal, and n-manual. Note that there are only two named 3rd-generation mosses from nL ns rather than the usual eight; the missing six names (what would be n-smitonic, n-mosh, n-checkertonic, n-oniorotonic, n-diatonic, and n-antidiatonic) are unsuitable for use for multi-period mos names as these names must refer to an octave period. These missing mosses are collectively referred to as '''3rd n-wood descendants''' instead. One exception to this is with 3-period mosses, where, if considering mosdescendants of tcherepnin or hyrulic instead of those for triwood, normal mosdescendant rules apply to those mosses.
 
The table outlines possible names for n-wood descendants for triwood, tetrawood, pentawood, and, in the general case, n-wood.
{| class="wikitable"
|+Possible mosdescendant names for mosses with 3 periods or more
! colspan="9" |3-period mosses
|-
|-
!Mos
!Mos
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!Mos
!Mos
!Name
!Name
!Mos
| colspan="4" rowspan="3" |
!Name
!Mos
!Name
!Other notes and other possible names
|-
|-
| rowspan="8" |[[3L 3s]]
| rowspan="2" |[[3L 3s]]
| rowspan="8" |'''triwood'''
| rowspan="2" |triwood
| rowspan="4" |[[3L 6s]]
|[[3L 6s]]
| rowspan="4" |'''tcherepnin'''
|'''tcherepnin'''
| rowspan="2" |[[3L 9s]]
| rowspan="2" |triantetric
''p-cherchromatic''
|[[3L 12s]]
|tripedal
''s-cherenharmonic''
| rowspan="8" |The names tcherepnin and hyrulic are used instead of triantrial and tritrial.
If context allows, mosdescendants may be based off of tcherepnin and hyrulic instead, following normal rules (shown in ''italics'').
|-
|-
|[[12L 3s]]
|[[6L 3s]]
|trimanual
|'''hyrulic'''
''p-cherenharmonic''
|}
|-
Starting at 4 periods, mosdescendant names apply only to n-wood scales (triwood, tetrawood, pentawood, etc), where the names of mosdescendants are based on names for single-period mosses up to 5 notes rather than based on moschromatic, mosenharmonic, and mosschismic, and thereby limited to mosdescendants with 5n notes; any descendants after that are referred as to '''n-wood descendants'''.
| rowspan="2" |[[9L 3s]]
 
| rowspan="2" |tritetric
Since the names for single-period mosses up to 5 notes may also be used for non-octave periods, these names are used for multi-period mosses, producing '''n-antrial''', '''n-trial''', '''n-antetric''', '''n-tetric''', '''n-antipentic''', '''n-pentic''', '''n-pedal''', and '''n-manual'''. Note that there are only two named 3rd-generation mosses from nL ns rather than the usual eight; the missing six names (what would be n-smitonic, n-mosh, n-checkertonic, n-oneiorotonic, n-diatonic, and n-antidiatonic) are unsuitable for use for multi-period mos names as these names must refer to an octave period.
''m-cherchromatic''
 
|[[12L 9s]]
The table outlines possible names for n-wood descendants for triwood, tetrawood, pentawood, and, in the general case, n-wood.
|''m-cherenharmonic''
{| class="wikitable"
|-
|+Possible mosdescendant names for mosses with 4 periods or more
|[[9L 12s]]
|''f-cherenharmonic''
|-
| rowspan="4" |[[6L 3s]]
| rowspan="4" |'''hyrulic'''
| rowspan="2" |[[9L 6s]]
| rowspan="2" |triantipentic
''m-hyruchromatic''
|[[9L 15s]]
|''f-hyruchromatic''
|-
|[[15L 9s]]
|''m-hyruchromatic''
|-
| rowspan="2" |[[6L 9s]]
| rowspan="2" |tripentic
''p-hyruchromatic''
|[[15L 6s]]
|''p-hyruchromatic''
|-
|[[6L 15s]]
|''s-hyruchromatic''
|-
|-
! colspan="9" |4-period mosses
! colspan="9" |4-period mosses
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This section describes changes to existing [[TAMNAMS]] names that I would make. Reasons:
This section describes changes to existing [[TAMNAMS]] names that I would make. Reasons:


* Some names are still based on a temperament (mainly the -oid names), so those are either replaced with a new name or at least altered so the references are more indirect.
* There were Discord users with whom I shared a similar sentiment regarding the names of certain scales, mainly the mosses with the anti- prefix and the scales antidiatonic and superdiatonic.
* There were Discord users with whom I shared a similar sentiment regarding the names of certain scales, mainly the mosses with the anti- prefix and the scales antidiatonic and superdiatonic.
* Some names are still based on a temperament (mainly the -oid names), so those are either replaced with a new name or at least altered so the references are more indirect.
* Some names are too long (in my opinion).
* Some names are too long (in my opinion).


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|+
|+
Table of proposed namechanges
Table of proposed namechanges
! colspan="9" |Changes to names to remove prefixes, or to shorten anti-names
! colspan="9" |Changes to names to reduce or remove references to temperaments
|-
|-
! rowspan="2" |Mos
! rowspan="2" |Mos
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!Abbrev.
!Abbrev.
|-
|-
| rowspan="2" |1L 5s
|5L 1s
| rowspan="2" |antimachinoid
|machinoid
| rowspan="2" |amech-
|mech-
| rowspan="2" |amech
|mech
|selenic
|mechatonic
|sel-
|sel
|An indirect reference to [[luna]] temperament; "selene" is Greek for "moon".
|
|-
|anmechic
|unchagned
|unchagned
|unchagned
|unchagned
|A shortened form of "antimachinoid"
|A more indirect reference to [[machine]] temperament.
|
|Still references machine temperament. May also reference [[Subgroup temperaments|mechanism]] temperament.
|-
|-
|2L 5s
|3L 7s
|antidiatonic
|sephiroid
|pel-
|seph-
|pel
|seph
|pelotonic
|sephirotonic
|unchagned
|unchagned
|unchagned
|unchagned
| rowspan="2" |From "[[pelog]]" and "[[armodue]]". The proposed names are to make both scales more distinct from diatonic.
|Rather than alluding to [[sephiroth]] temperament, the name should allude to Peter Kosmorsky's ''[https://ia800703.us.archive.org/12/items/TractatumDeModiSephiratorum/ModiSephiratorum.pdf Tractatum de Modi Sephiratorum]'' (A Treatise on the Modes of the Sephirates), whose name ultimately comes from the [[wikipedia:Sefirot|sefirot]]. The document describes several edos that are said to contain the "modi sephiratorum" (sephirate modes). Therefore, instead of the name "sephiroid", suggesting that the mos pattern resembles the modi sephiratorum, the mos pattern ''is'' the modi sephiratorum, hence the mosname "sephirotonic".
| rowspan="2" |The connection to diatonic may be beneficial to some musicians. Additionally, the mode names commonly used for both mosses are those from diatonic (lydian, ionian, etc) with the anti- and super- prefixes added.
Other reasons:
New names reference pelog tuning and armodue theory.
 
* There is also a YouTube [https://youtu.be/RRdwAgNqG_E video] that refers to the ''mos pattern'' 3L 7s as the "sephiratorum scale".
* "Septonic" was a previous proposal that had its own issues, such as incorrectly suggesting a 7-note scale and ignoring documentation about the scale itself (linked above).
|May still reference sephiroth temperament. For a more indirect reference, an alternate transliteration of סְפִירוֹת (sefirot) may be used instead.
New name is longer than the old name.
|-
|7L 3s
|dicoid and zaltertic
|dico- and zal-
|dico and zal
|zaltertic
|zal-
|zal
|As of writing, there are two names. I would favor zaltertic over dicoid in that it removes a name that suggests a temperament.
|
|-
|-
|7L 2s
! colspan="9" |Changes to names that bear the anti- prefix
|superdiatonic
|arm-
|arm
|armotonic
|unchagned
|unchagned
|-
|-
| rowspan="2" |1L 7s
! rowspan="2" |Mos
| rowspan="2" |antipine
! colspan="3" |Current name
| rowspan="2" |apine-
! colspan="3" |Suggested name(s)
| rowspan="2" |apine
! rowspan="2" |Reasoning
|stelanic
! rowspan="2" |Possible issues
|stel-
|stel
|A reference to how [[1L 7s]] is "somewhat of a wa'''stelan'''d as far as low-harmonic-entropy scales are concerned".
|Somewhat more complicated than antipine.
|-
|-
|alpine
!Name
|alp- or unchanged
!Prefix
|alp or unchanged
!Abbrev.
|Looks like "anpine" (a shortened form of "antipine", following the logic of the "an-" prefix), but accidentally corrected into "alpine". Somewhat preserves meaning of the anti-/an- prefix.
!Name
|Pun.
!Prefix
!Abbrev.
|-
|-
|1L 8s
| rowspan="2" |1L 5s
|antisubneutralic
| rowspan="2" |antimachinoid
|ablu-
| rowspan="2" |amech-
|ablu
| rowspan="2" |amech
|mineric /mɪnˈeɹɪk/
|selenic
|mine- (with a silent e)
|sel-
|minc
|sel
|A portmanteau of [[Miracle|'''mi'''racle]] and [[Negri|'''ne'''g'''r'''i]] temperaments. Shorter name. This drops the anti- prefix.
|An indirect reference to [[luna]] temperament; "selene" is Greek for "moon".
|References two different temperaments.
|
|-
|anmechic
|unchagned
|unchagned
|A shortened form of "antimachinoid"
|
|-
|-
|8L 1s
| rowspan="2" |1L 7s
|subneutralic
| rowspan="2" |antipine
|blu-
| rowspan="2" |apine-
|blu
| rowspan="2" |apine
|azurtonic
|stelanic
|azu- or unchanged
|stel-
|azu or unchanged
|stel
|An indirect reference to [[bleu]] temperament; azure is a specific shade of blue. Simplified name. Also, the sub- prefix may falsely suggest another scale called "(prefix)neutralic", similar to how sub'''aric''' (2L 6s) is the parent to both j'''aric''' (2L 8s) and t'''aric''' (8L 2s).
|A reference to how [[1L 7s]] is "somewhat of a wa'''stelan'''d as far as low-harmonic-entropy scales are concerned".
|New name is referencing a temperament, albeit indirectly. The sub- prefix reasoning may be a stretch, since subaric, jaric, and taric are the only mosses related this way.
|Somewhat more complicated than antipine.
|-
|-
| rowspan="3" |1L 9s
|alpine
| rowspan="3" |antisinatonic
|alp- or unchanged
| rowspan="3" |asina-
|alp or unchanged
| rowspan="3" |asi
|Looks like "anpine" (a shortened form of "antipine", following the logic of the "an-" prefix), but accidentally corrected into "alpine". Somewhat preserves meaning of the anti-/an- prefix.
|alentic
|Pun.
|alen-
|-
|alen
|1L 8s
|An indirect reference to [[Valentine|v'''alent'''ine]] temperament. This drops the anti- prefix.
|antisubneutralic
|Coincidentally the name of a company.
|ablu-
|ablu
|mineric /mɪnˈeɹɪk/
|mine- (with a silent e)
|minc
|A portmanteau of [[Miracle|'''mi'''racle]] and [[Negri|'''ne'''g'''r'''i]] temperaments. Shorter name. This drops the anti- prefix.
|References two different temperaments.
|-
| rowspan="3" |1L 9s
| rowspan="3" |antisinatonic
| rowspan="3" |asina-
| rowspan="3" |asi
|alentic
|alen-
|alen
|An indirect reference to [[Valentine|v'''alent'''ine]] temperament. This drops the anti- prefix.
|Coincidentally the name of a company.
|-
|-
|parivalic
|parivalic
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|
|-
|-
! colspan="9" |Changes to names to reduce or remove references to temperaments
! colspan="9" |Changes to names that bear other prefixes
|-
|-
! rowspan="2" |Mos
! rowspan="2" |Mos
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!Abbrev.
!Abbrev.
|-
|-
|5L 1s
|2L 5s
|machinoid
|antidiatonic
|mech-
|pel-
|mech
|pel
|mechatonic
|pelotonic
|unchagned
|unchagned
|unchagned
|unchagned
|A more indirect reference to [[machine]] temperament.
| rowspan="2" |From "[[pelog]]" and "[[armodue]]". The proposed names are to make both scales more distinct from diatonic.
|Still references machine temperament.
| rowspan="2" |The connection to diatonic may be beneficial to some musicians. Additionally, the mode names commonly used for both mosses are those from diatonic (lydian, ionian, etc) with the anti- and super- prefixes added.
New names reference pelog tuning and armodue theory.
|-
|-
|3L 7s
|7L 2s
|sephiroid
|superdiatonic
|seph-
|arm-
|seph
|arm
|sephirotonic
|armotonic
|unchagned
|unchagned
|unchagned
|unchagned
|Rather than alluding to [[sephiroth]] temperament, the name should allude to Peter Kosmorsky's ''[https://ia800703.us.archive.org/12/items/TractatumDeModiSephiratorum/ModiSephiratorum.pdf Tractatum de Modi Sephiratorum]'' (A Treatise on the Modes of the Sephirates), whose name ultimately comes from the [[wikipedia:Sefirot|sefirot]]. The document describes several edos that are said to contain the "modi sephiratorum" (sephirate modes). Therefore, instead of the name "sephiroid", suggesting that the mos pattern resembles the modi sephiratorum, the mos pattern ''is'' the modi sephiratorum, hence the mosname "sephirotonic".
Other reasons:
* There is also a YouTube [https://youtu.be/RRdwAgNqG_E video] that refers to the ''mos pattern'' 3L 7s as the "sephiratorum scale".
* "Septonic" was a previous proposal that had its own issues, such as incorrectly suggesting a 7-note scale and ignoring documentation about the scale itself (linked above).
|May still reference sephiroth temperament. For a more indirect reference, an alternate transliteration of סְפִירוֹת (sefirot) may be used instead.
New name is longer than the old name.
|-
|-
|7L 3s
|8L 1s
|dicoid and zaltertic
|subneutralic
|dico- and zal-
|blu-
|dico and zal
|blu
|zaltertic
|azurtonic
|zal-
|azu- or unchanged
|zal
|azu or unchanged
|As of writing, there are two names. I would favor zaltertic over dicoid in that it removes a name that suggests a temperament.
|An indirect reference to [[bleu]] temperament; azure is a specific shade of blue. Simplified name. Also, the sub- prefix may falsely suggest another scale called "(prefix)neutralic", similar to how sub'''aric''' (2L 6s) is the parent to both j'''aric''' (2L 8s) and t'''aric''' (8L 2s).
|
|New name is referencing a temperament, albeit indirectly. The sub- prefix reasoning may be a stretch, since subaric, jaric, and taric are the only mosses related this way.
|}
|}


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* pentic and antipentic (pentic is a shortened form of "pentatonic")
* pentic and antipentic (pentic is a shortened form of "pentatonic")
|-
|-
|All other mosses not of the form 1L ns end with -toinc, excluding those named under the previous rules.
|All other mosses not of the form 1L ns end with -toinc, excluding those named under the previous rule.
|
|
* machinoid -> mechatonic
* machinoid -> mechatonic
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|-
|-
|All mosses of the form 1L ns mosses end with -ic, excluding those named under the previous rule.
|All mosses of the form 1L ns mosses end with -ic, excluding those named under the previous rule.
Alternate rule: All mosses of the form nL 1s, of the form (stem)-tonic, have a sister mos 1L ns of the form an-(stem)-ic.
Alternate rule: All mosses of the form nL 1s, of the form (stem)-tonic, have a sister mos 1L ns of the form anti-(stem)-ic.
|
|
* antimachinoid -> selenic
* antimachinoid -> selenic
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