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===9\31 octave - approx. 348.39¢ - Neutral Third or mid 3rd=== | ===9\31 octave - approx. 348.39¢ - Neutral Third or mid 3rd=== | ||
A neutral 3rd, about 1¢ away from 11:9 (347.41¢). 9\31 is half a perfect fifth (making it a suitable generator for [[mohajira|mohajira temperament]]), and also thrice a major semitone. It is closer in quality to a minor third than a major third, but indeed, it is distinct. It is 11¢ shy of 16/13 (359.47¢), suggesting a [[13-limit]] interpretation for 31edo. However, its close proximity to 11/9 makes it hard to hear it as 16/13, which in JI has a different quality (and, as a neutral third, is more "major-like" than "minor-like"). Also, its inversion, 22\31 (851.61¢) is wide of the 13th harmonic by about 11¢, while all the lower harmonics are either near-just or narrow. This means the errors can accumulate, for instance, with 13/9 (636.62¢) represented by 17\31 (658.06¢), a good 21.4¢ sharp. | A neutral 3rd, about 1¢ away from 11:9 (347.41¢). 9\31 is half a perfect fifth (making it a suitable generator for [[mohajira|mohajira temperament]]), and also thrice a major semitone. It is closer in quality to a minor third than a major third, but indeed, it is distinct. It is 11¢ shy of 16/13 (359.47¢), suggesting a [[13-limit]] interpretation for 31edo. However, its close proximity to 11/9 makes it hard to hear it as 16/13, which in JI has a different quality (and, as a neutral third, is more "major-like" than "minor-like"). Also, its inversion, 22\31 (851.61¢) is wide of the 13th harmonic by about 11¢, which leaves the 143rd harmonic only about 2¢ wide after cancelling with the narrow 11th harmonic, while all the lower harmonics are either near-just or narrow. This means the errors can accumulate, for instance, with 13/9 (636.62¢) represented by 17\31 (658.06¢), a good 21.4¢ sharp. | ||
====MOS Scales generated by 9\31:==== | ====MOS Scales generated by 9\31:==== | ||
||~ number of tones ||~ MOS class ||~ 0 ||~ 1 ||~ 2 ||~ 3 ||~ 4 ||~ 5 ||~ 6 ||~ 7 ||~ 8 ||~ 9 ||~ 10 ||~ 11 ||~ 12 ||~ 13 ||~ 14 ||~ 15 ||~ 16 ||~ 17 ||~ 18 ||~ 19 ||~ 20 ||~ 21 ||~ 22 ||~ 23 ||~ 24 ||~ 25 ||~ 26 ||~ 27 ||~ 28 ||~ 29 ||~ 30 || | ||~ number of tones ||~ MOS class ||~ 0 ||~ 1 ||~ 2 ||~ 3 ||~ 4 ||~ 5 ||~ 6 ||~ 7 ||~ 8 ||~ 9 ||~ 10 ||~ 11 ||~ 12 ||~ 13 ||~ 14 ||~ 15 ||~ 16 ||~ 17 ||~ 18 ||~ 19 ||~ 20 ||~ 21 ||~ 22 ||~ 23 ||~ 24 ||~ 25 ||~ 26 ||~ 27 ||~ 28 ||~ 29 ||~ 30 || | ||
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===12\31 octave - approx. 464.52¢ - Narrow Fourth or Subfourth or down 4th=== | ===12\31 octave - approx. 464.52¢ - Narrow Fourth or Subfourth or down 4th=== | ||
Exactly twice a supermajor second, thrice a neutral second, or four times a minor second. In the 7-limit, 12\31 functions as 21:16 (470.78¢). It is also quite close to the [[17-limit]] interval 17/13 (464.43¢), although 31edo does not offer up reasonable approximations of the 17th or 13th harmonics to help make this identity clear. This interval and its inversion 19\31 (735.48¢, a superfifth) are notable for being the only intervals in the 31edo octave larger than the 3\31 diatonic semitone (and smaller than its inversion, 28\31) that are not 11-limit consonances. Generates [[semisept]] temperament. | Exactly twice a supermajor second, thrice a neutral second, or four times a minor second. In the 7-limit, 12\31 functions as 21:16 (470.78¢). It is also quite close to the [[17-limit]] interval 17/13 (464.43¢), although 31edo does not offer up reasonable approximations of the 17th or 13th harmonics to help make this identity clear. This interval and its inversion 19\31 (735.48¢, a superfifth) are notable for being the only intervals in the 31edo octave larger than the 3\31 diatonic semitone (and smaller than its inversion, 28\31) that are not 11-limit consonances, and the only intervals in the 31edo octave that are not 15-limit consonances. Generates [[semisept]] temperament. | ||
====MOS Scales generated by 12\31:==== | ====MOS Scales generated by 12\31:==== | ||
||~ number of tones ||~ MOS class ||~ 0 ||~ 1 ||~ 2 ||~ 3 ||~ 4 ||~ 5 ||~ 6 ||~ 7 ||~ 8 ||~ 9 ||~ 10 ||~ 11 ||~ 12 ||~ 13 ||~ 14 ||~ 15 ||~ 16 ||~ 17 ||~ 18 ||~ 19 ||~ 20 ||~ 21 ||~ 22 ||~ 23 ||~ 24 ||~ 25 ||~ 26 ||~ 27 ||~ 28 ||~ 29 ||~ 30 || | ||~ number of tones ||~ MOS class ||~ 0 ||~ 1 ||~ 2 ||~ 3 ||~ 4 ||~ 5 ||~ 6 ||~ 7 ||~ 8 ||~ 9 ||~ 10 ||~ 11 ||~ 12 ||~ 13 ||~ 14 ||~ 15 ||~ 16 ||~ 17 ||~ 18 ||~ 19 ||~ 20 ||~ 21 ||~ 22 ||~ 23 ||~ 24 ||~ 25 ||~ 26 ||~ 27 ||~ 28 ||~ 29 ||~ 30 || | ||
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|| 27-tone || [[2L 25s]] || 3 || || || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 3 || || || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || | || 27-tone || [[2L 25s]] || 3 || || || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 3 || || || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || | ||
|| 29-tone || [[2L 27s]] || 2 || || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 2 || || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || | || 29-tone || [[2L 27s]] || 2 || || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 2 || || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || | ||
===16\31 Large Tritone or dim 5th=== | ===16\31 Large Tritone or dim 5th=== | ||
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31 EDO tempers out the following commas. (Note: This assumes the val < | 31 EDO tempers out the following commas. (Note: This assumes the val < 31 49 72 87 107 115/1 |, comma values rounded to 5 significant digits.) | ||
||~ Comma ||~ Monzo ||~ Value (Cents) ||~ Name 1 ||~ Name 2 ||~ Name 3 || | ||~ Comma ||~ Monzo ||~ Value (Cents) ||~ Name 1 ||~ Name 2 ||~ Name 3 || | ||
||= ||< | -25 7 6 > ||> 31.567 ||= [[ampersand|Ampersand's Comma]] ||= ||= || | ||= ||< | -25 7 6 > ||> 31.567 ||= [[ampersand|Ampersand's Comma]] ||= ||= || | ||
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<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:37:&lt;h3&gt; --><h3 id="toc18"><a name="Intervals-Selected just intervals by error-9\31 octave - approx. 348.39¢ - Neutral Third or mid 3rd"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:37 -->9\31 octave - approx. 348.39¢ - Neutral Third or mid 3rd</h3> | <!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:37:&lt;h3&gt; --><h3 id="toc18"><a name="Intervals-Selected just intervals by error-9\31 octave - approx. 348.39¢ - Neutral Third or mid 3rd"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:37 -->9\31 octave - approx. 348.39¢ - Neutral Third or mid 3rd</h3> | ||
A neutral 3rd, about 1¢ away from 11:9 (347.41¢). 9\31 is half a perfect fifth (making it a suitable generator for <a class="wiki_link" href="/mohajira">mohajira temperament</a>), and also thrice a major semitone. It is closer in quality to a minor third than a major third, but indeed, it is distinct. It is 11¢ shy of 16/13 (359.47¢), suggesting a <a class="wiki_link" href="/13-limit">13-limit</a> interpretation for 31edo. However, its close proximity to 11/9 makes it hard to hear it as 16/13, which in JI has a different quality (and, as a neutral third, is more &quot;major-like&quot; than &quot;minor-like&quot;). Also, its inversion, 22\31 (851.61¢) is wide of the 13th harmonic by about 11¢, while all the lower harmonics are either near-just or narrow. This means the errors can accumulate, for instance, with 13/9 (636.62¢) represented by 17\31 (658.06¢), a good 21.4¢ sharp.<br /> | A neutral 3rd, about 1¢ away from 11:9 (347.41¢). 9\31 is half a perfect fifth (making it a suitable generator for <a class="wiki_link" href="/mohajira">mohajira temperament</a>), and also thrice a major semitone. It is closer in quality to a minor third than a major third, but indeed, it is distinct. It is 11¢ shy of 16/13 (359.47¢), suggesting a <a class="wiki_link" href="/13-limit">13-limit</a> interpretation for 31edo. However, its close proximity to 11/9 makes it hard to hear it as 16/13, which in JI has a different quality (and, as a neutral third, is more &quot;major-like&quot; than &quot;minor-like&quot;). Also, its inversion, 22\31 (851.61¢) is wide of the 13th harmonic by about 11¢, which leaves the 143rd harmonic only about 2¢ wide after cancelling with the narrow 11th harmonic, while all the lower harmonics are either near-just or narrow. This means the errors can accumulate, for instance, with 13/9 (636.62¢) represented by 17\31 (658.06¢), a good 21.4¢ sharp.<br /> | ||
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Exactly twice a supermajor second, thrice a neutral second, or four times a minor second. In the 7-limit, 12\31 functions as 21:16 (470.78¢). It is also quite close to the <a class="wiki_link" href="/17-limit">17-limit</a> interval 17/13 (464.43¢), although 31edo does not offer up reasonable approximations of the 17th or 13th harmonics to help make this identity clear. This interval and its inversion 19\31 (735.48¢, a superfifth) are notable for being the only intervals in the 31edo octave larger than the 3\31 diatonic semitone (and smaller than its inversion, 28\31) that are not 11-limit consonances. Generates <a class="wiki_link" href="/semisept">semisept</a> temperament.<br /> | Exactly twice a supermajor second, thrice a neutral second, or four times a minor second. In the 7-limit, 12\31 functions as 21:16 (470.78¢). It is also quite close to the <a class="wiki_link" href="/17-limit">17-limit</a> interval 17/13 (464.43¢), although 31edo does not offer up reasonable approximations of the 17th or 13th harmonics to help make this identity clear. This interval and its inversion 19\31 (735.48¢, a superfifth) are notable for being the only intervals in the 31edo octave larger than the 3\31 diatonic semitone (and smaller than its inversion, 28\31) that are not 11-limit consonances, and the only intervals in the 31edo octave that are not 15-limit consonances. Generates <a class="wiki_link" href="/semisept">semisept</a> temperament.<br /> | ||
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31 EDO tempers out the following commas. (Note: This assumes the val &lt | 31 EDO tempers out the following commas. (Note: This assumes the val &lt; 31 49 72 87 107 115/1 |, comma values rounded to 5 significant digits.)<br /> | ||