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23-EDO is also significant in that it is the largest EDO that fails to approximate the 3rd, 5th, and 7th harmonics within 20 cents, which makes it well-suited for musicians seeking to explore unusual harmonic territory. Oddly, despite the fact that it fails to approximate these harmonics, it approximates the intervals between them (5/3, 7/3, and 7/5) very well. The lowest harmonics well-approximated by 23-EDO are 13, 17, 21, and 23.

Like 9-EDO, 16-EDO, and 25-EDO, one way to treat 23-EDO is as a Pelogic temperament, tempering out the "comma" of 135/128 and equating three sharp 4/3's with 5/1 (related to the Armodue system). This means mapping 3/2 to 13 degrees of 23, and results in a 7-note "anti-diatonic" scale of 3 3 4 3 3 3 4 (in steps of 23-EDO), which extends to 9 notes (3 3 3 1 3 3 3 3 1).

Like[[9edo| 9-EDO]], [[16edo|16-EDO]], and [[25edo|25-EDO]], one way to treat 23-EDO is as a Pelogic temperament, tempering out the "comma" of 135/128 and equating three sharp 4/3's with 5/1 (related to the Armodue system). This means mapping 3/2 to 13 degrees of 23, and results in a 7-note "anti-diatonic" scale of 3 3 4 3 3 3 4 (in steps of 23-EDO), which extends to 9 notes (3 3 3 1 3 3 3 3 1).

However, one can also map 3/2 to 14 degrees of 23-EDO without significantly increasing the error, taking us to a 7-limit temperament where two 3/2's equals 7/3, meaning 28/27 is tempered out, and six 4/3's octave-reduced equals 5/4, meaning 4096/3645 is tempered out. Both of these are very large commas, so this is not at all an accurate temperament, but it is related to 13-EDO and 18-EDO and produces MOS scales of 5 and 8 notes: 5 5 4 5 4 (the "anti-pentatonic") and 4 1 4 1 4 4 1 4 (the "quarter-tone" version of the Blackwood/[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Rapoport_%28music_critic%29|Rapoport]]/Wilson 13-EDO "subminor" scale). Alternatively we can treat this temperament as a 2.9.21 subgroup, and instead of calling 9 degrees of 23-EDO a "4/3", we can call it 21/16. Here three 21/16's gets us to 9/4, meaning 1029/1024 is tempered out. This allows us to treat a triad of 0-4-9 degrees of 23-EDO as an approximation to 16:18:21, and 0-5-9 as 1/(16:18:21); both of these triads are abundant in the 8-note MOS scale.

However, one can also map 3/2 to 14 degrees of 23-EDO without significantly increasing the error, taking us to a [[7-limit]] temperament where two 3/2's equals 7/3, meaning 28/27 is tempered out, and six 4/3's octave-reduced equals 5/4, meaning 4096/3645 is tempered out. Both of these are very large commas, so this is not at all an accurate temperament, but it is related to [[13edo|13-EDO]] and [[18edo|18-EDO]] and produces [[MOSScales|MOS scales]] of 5 and 8 notes: 5 5 4 5 4 (the "anti-pentatonic") and 4 1 4 1 4 4 1 4 (the "quarter-tone" version of the Blackwood/[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Rapoport_%28music_critic%29|Rapoport]]/Wilson 13-EDO "subminor" scale). Alternatively we can treat this temperament as a 2.9.21 subgroup, and instead of calling 9 degrees of 23-EDO a "4/3", we can call it 21/16. Here three 21/16's gets us to 9/4, meaning 1029/1024 is tempered out. This allows us to treat a triad of 0-4-9 degrees of 23-EDO as an approximation to 16:18:21, and 0-5-9 as 1/(16:18:21); both of these triads are abundant in the 8-note MOS scale.

I would argue that the most significant modes of 23 edo are those of the 2 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 3 scale ([[3L 7s|3L 7s fair mosh]]);

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23-EDO is also significant in that it is the largest EDO that fails to approximate the 3rd, 5th, and 7th harmonics within 20 cents, which makes it well-suited for musicians seeking to explore unusual harmonic territory. Oddly, despite the fact that it fails to approximate these harmonics, it approximates the intervals between them (5/3, 7/3, and 7/5) very well. The lowest harmonics well-approximated by 23-EDO are 13, 17, 21, and 23.

Like 9-EDO, 16-EDO, and 25-EDO, one way to treat 23-EDO is as a Pelogic temperament, tempering out the &quot;comma&quot; of 135/128 and equating three sharp 4/3's with 5/1 (related to the Armodue system). This means mapping 3/2 to 13 degrees of 23, and results in a 7-note &quot;anti-diatonic&quot; scale of 3 3 4 3 3 3 4 (in steps of 23-EDO), which extends to 9 notes (3 3 3 1 3 3 3 3 1).

Like<a class="wiki_link" href="/9edo"> 9-EDO</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/16edo">16-EDO</a>, and <a class="wiki_link" href="/25edo">25-EDO</a>, one way to treat 23-EDO is as a Pelogic temperament, tempering out the &quot;comma&quot; of 135/128 and equating three sharp 4/3's with 5/1 (related to the Armodue system). This means mapping 3/2 to 13 degrees of 23, and results in a 7-note &quot;anti-diatonic&quot; scale of 3 3 4 3 3 3 4 (in steps of 23-EDO), which extends to 9 notes (3 3 3 1 3 3 3 3 1).

However, one can also map 3/2 to 14 degrees of 23-EDO without significantly increasing the error, taking us to a 7-limit temperament where two 3/2's equals 7/3, meaning 28/27 is tempered out, and six 4/3's octave-reduced equals 5/4, meaning 4096/3645 is tempered out. Both of these are very large commas, so this is not at all an accurate temperament, but it is related to 13-EDO and 18-EDO and produces MOS scales of 5 and 8 notes: 5 5 4 5 4 (the &quot;anti-pentatonic&quot;) and 4 1 4 1 4 4 1 4 (the &quot;quarter-tone&quot; version of the Blackwood/<a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Rapoport_%28music_critic%29" rel="nofollow">Rapoport</a>/Wilson 13-EDO &quot;subminor&quot; scale). Alternatively we can treat this temperament as a 2.9.21 subgroup, and instead of calling 9 degrees of 23-EDO a &quot;4/3&quot;, we can call it 21/16. Here three 21/16's gets us to 9/4, meaning 1029/1024 is tempered out. This allows us to treat a triad of 0-4-9 degrees of 23-EDO as an approximation to 16:18:21, and 0-5-9 as 1/(16:18:21); both of these triads are abundant in the 8-note MOS scale.

However, one can also map 3/2 to 14 degrees of 23-EDO without significantly increasing the error, taking us to a <a class="wiki_link" href="/7-limit">7-limit</a> temperament where two 3/2's equals 7/3, meaning 28/27 is tempered out, and six 4/3's octave-reduced equals 5/4, meaning 4096/3645 is tempered out. Both of these are very large commas, so this is not at all an accurate temperament, but it is related to <a class="wiki_link" href="/13edo">13-EDO</a> and <a class="wiki_link" href="/18edo">18-EDO</a> and produces <a class="wiki_link" href="/MOSScales">MOS scales</a> of 5 and 8 notes: 5 5 4 5 4 (the &quot;anti-pentatonic&quot;) and 4 1 4 1 4 4 1 4 (the &quot;quarter-tone&quot; version of the Blackwood/<a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Rapoport_%28music_critic%29" rel="nofollow">Rapoport</a>/Wilson 13-EDO &quot;subminor&quot; scale). Alternatively we can treat this temperament as a 2.9.21 subgroup, and instead of calling 9 degrees of 23-EDO a &quot;4/3&quot;, we can call it 21/16. Here three 21/16's gets us to 9/4, meaning 1029/1024 is tempered out. This allows us to treat a triad of 0-4-9 degrees of 23-EDO as an approximation to 16:18:21, and 0-5-9 as 1/(16:18:21); both of these triads are abundant in the 8-note MOS scale.

I would argue that the most significant modes of 23 edo are those of the 2 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 3 scale (<a class="wiki_link" href="/3L%207s">3L 7s fair mosh</a>);

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 -EDO is also significant in that it is the largest EDO that fails to approximate the 3rd, 5th, and 7th harmonics within 20 cents, which makes it well-suited for musicians seeking to explore unusual harmonic territory. Oddly, despite the fact that it fails to approximate these harmonics, it approximates the intervals between them (5/3, 7/3, and 7/5) very well. The lowest harmonics well-approximated by 23-EDO are 13, 17, 21, and 23.
-Like 9-EDO, 16-EDO, and 25-EDO, one way to treat 23-EDO is as a Pelogic temperament, tempering out the "comma" of 135/128 and equating three sharp 4/3's with 5/1 (related to the Armodue system). This means mapping 3/2 to 13 degrees of 23, and results in a 7-note "anti-diatonic" scale of 3 3 4 3 3 3 4 (in steps of 23-EDO), which extends to 9 notes (3 3 3 1 3 3 3 3 1).
+Like[[9edo| 9-EDO]], [[16edo|16-EDO]], and [[25edo|25-EDO]], one way to treat 23-EDO is as a Pelogic temperament, tempering out the "comma" of 135/128 and equating three sharp 4/3's with 5/1 (related to the Armodue system). This means mapping 3/2 to 13 degrees of 23, and results in a 7-note "anti-diatonic" scale of 3 3 4 3 3 3 4 (in steps of 23-EDO), which extends to 9 notes (3 3 3 1 3 3 3 3 1).
-However, one can also map 3/2 to 14 degrees of 23-EDO without significantly increasing the error, taking us to a 7-limit temperament where two 3/2's equals 7/3, meaning 28/27 is tempered out, and six 4/3's octave-reduced equals 5/4, meaning 4096/3645 is tempered out. Both of these are very large commas, so this is not at all an accurate temperament, but it is related to 13-EDO and 18-EDO and produces MOS scales of 5 and 8 notes: 5 5 4 5 4 (the "anti-pentatonic") and 4 1 4 1 4 4 1 4 (the "quarter-tone" version of the Blackwood/[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Rapoport_%28music_critic%29|Rapoport]]/Wilson 13-EDO "subminor" scale). Alternatively we can treat this temperament as a 2.9.21 subgroup, and instead of calling 9 degrees of 23-EDO a "4/3", we can call it 21/16. Here three 21/16's gets us to 9/4, meaning 1029/1024 is tempered out. This allows us to treat a triad of 0-4-9 degrees of 23-EDO as an approximation to 16:18:21, and 0-5-9 as 1/(16:18:21); both of these triads are abundant in the 8-note MOS scale.
+However, one can also map 3/2 to 14 degrees of 23-EDO without significantly increasing the error, taking us to a [[7-limit]] temperament where two 3/2's equals 7/3, meaning 28/27 is tempered out, and six 4/3's octave-reduced equals 5/4, meaning 4096/3645 is tempered out. Both of these are very large commas, so this is not at all an accurate temperament, but it is related to [[13edo|13-EDO]] and [[18edo|18-EDO]] and produces [[MOSScales|MOS scales]] of 5 and 8 notes: 5 5 4 5 4 (the "anti-pentatonic") and 4 1 4 1 4 4 1 4 (the "quarter-tone" version of the Blackwood/[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Rapoport_%28music_critic%29|Rapoport]]/Wilson 13-EDO "subminor" scale). Alternatively we can treat this temperament as a 2.9.21 subgroup, and instead of calling 9 degrees of 23-EDO a "4/3", we can call it 21/16. Here three 21/16's gets us to 9/4, meaning 1029/1024 is tempered out. This allows us to treat a triad of 0-4-9 degrees of 23-EDO as an approximation to 16:18:21, and 0-5-9 as 1/(16:18:21); both of these triads are abundant in the 8-note MOS scale.
 I would argue that the most significant modes of 23 edo are those of the 2 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 3 scale ([[3L 7s|3L 7s fair mosh]]);
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 -EDO is also significant in that it is the largest EDO that fails to approximate the 3rd, 5th, and 7th harmonics within 20 cents, which makes it well-suited for musicians seeking to explore unusual harmonic territory. Oddly, despite the fact that it fails to approximate these harmonics, it approximates the intervals between them (5/3, 7/3, and 7/5) very well. The lowest harmonics well-approximated by 23-EDO are 13, 17, 21, and 23.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
-Like 9-EDO, 16-EDO, and 25-EDO, one way to treat 23-EDO is as a Pelogic temperament, tempering out the &amp;quot;comma&amp;quot; of 135/128 and equating three sharp 4/3's with 5/1 (related to the Armodue system). This means mapping 3/2 to 13 degrees of 23, and results in a 7-note &amp;quot;anti-diatonic&amp;quot; scale of 3 3 4 3 3 3 4 (in steps of 23-EDO), which extends to 9 notes (3 3 3 1 3 3 3 3 1).&lt;br /&gt;
+Like&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/9edo"&gt; 9-EDO&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/16edo"&gt;16-EDO&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/25edo"&gt;25-EDO&lt;/a&gt;, one way to treat 23-EDO is as a Pelogic temperament, tempering out the &amp;quot;comma&amp;quot; of 135/128 and equating three sharp 4/3's with 5/1 (related to the Armodue system). This means mapping 3/2 to 13 degrees of 23, and results in a 7-note &amp;quot;anti-diatonic&amp;quot; scale of 3 3 4 3 3 3 4 (in steps of 23-EDO), which extends to 9 notes (3 3 3 1 3 3 3 3 1).&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
-However, one can also map 3/2 to 14 degrees of 23-EDO without significantly increasing the error, taking us to a 7-limit temperament where two 3/2's equals 7/3, meaning 28/27 is tempered out, and six 4/3's octave-reduced equals 5/4, meaning 4096/3645 is tempered out. Both of these are very large commas, so this is not at all an accurate temperament, but it is related to 13-EDO and 18-EDO and produces MOS scales of 5 and 8 notes: 5 5 4 5 4 (the &amp;quot;anti-pentatonic&amp;quot;) and 4 1 4 1 4 4 1 4 (the &amp;quot;quarter-tone&amp;quot; version of the Blackwood/&lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Rapoport_%28music_critic%29" rel="nofollow"&gt;Rapoport&lt;/a&gt;/Wilson 13-EDO &amp;quot;subminor&amp;quot; scale). Alternatively we can treat this temperament as a 2.9.21 subgroup, and instead of calling 9 degrees of 23-EDO a &amp;quot;4/3&amp;quot;, we can call it 21/16. Here three 21/16's gets us to 9/4, meaning 1029/1024 is tempered out. This allows us to treat a triad of 0-4-9 degrees of 23-EDO as an approximation to 16:18:21, and 0-5-9 as 1/(16:18:21); both of these triads are abundant in the 8-note MOS scale.&lt;br /&gt;
+However, one can also map 3/2 to 14 degrees of 23-EDO without significantly increasing the error, taking us to a &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/7-limit"&gt;7-limit&lt;/a&gt; temperament where two 3/2's equals 7/3, meaning 28/27 is tempered out, and six 4/3's octave-reduced equals 5/4, meaning 4096/3645 is tempered out. Both of these are very large commas, so this is not at all an accurate temperament, but it is related to &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/13edo"&gt;13-EDO&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/18edo"&gt;18-EDO&lt;/a&gt; and produces &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/MOSScales"&gt;MOS scales&lt;/a&gt; of 5 and 8 notes: 5 5 4 5 4 (the &amp;quot;anti-pentatonic&amp;quot;) and 4 1 4 1 4 4 1 4 (the &amp;quot;quarter-tone&amp;quot; version of the Blackwood/&lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Rapoport_%28music_critic%29" rel="nofollow"&gt;Rapoport&lt;/a&gt;/Wilson 13-EDO &amp;quot;subminor&amp;quot; scale). Alternatively we can treat this temperament as a 2.9.21 subgroup, and instead of calling 9 degrees of 23-EDO a &amp;quot;4/3&amp;quot;, we can call it 21/16. Here three 21/16's gets us to 9/4, meaning 1029/1024 is tempered out. This allows us to treat a triad of 0-4-9 degrees of 23-EDO as an approximation to 16:18:21, and 0-5-9 as 1/(16:18:21); both of these triads are abundant in the 8-note MOS scale.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 I would argue that the most significant modes of 23 edo are those of the 2 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 3 scale (&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/3L%207s"&gt;3L 7s fair mosh&lt;/a&gt;);&lt;br /&gt;