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13edo refers to a tuning system which divides the octave (frequency ratio 2:1) into 13 equal parts. The steps are of similar size to those of 12edo (albeit squashed), while the intervals between a minor third & major sixth are xenharmonic (not similar to anything available in 12edo). | 13edo refers to a tuning system which divides the octave (frequency ratio 2:1) into 13 equal parts. The steps are of similar size to those of 12edo (albeit squashed), while the intervals between a minor third & major sixth are xenharmonic (not similar to anything available in 12edo). | ||
|| Degree || Cents || Approximate Ratios* || | || Degree || Cents ||= Approximate Ratios* || | ||
|| 0 || 0 || 1/1 || | || 0 || 0 ||= 1/1 || | ||
|| 1 || 92.3077 || | || 1 || 92.3077 ||= 55/52, 117/110, 26/25 || | ||
|| 2 || 184.6154 || 10/9, 9/8, 11/10 || | || 2 || 184.6154 ||= 10/9, 9/8, 11/10 || | ||
|| 3 || 276.9231 || 13/11 || | || 3 || 276.9231 ||= 13/11 || | ||
|| 4 || 369.2308 || 5/4, 16/13, 11/9 || | || 4 || 369.2308 ||= 5/4, 16/13, 11/9 || | ||
|| 5 || 461.5385 || 13/10 || | || 5 || 461.5385 ||= 13/10 || | ||
|| 6 || 553.84 || 11/8, 18/13 || | || 6 || 553.84 ||= 11/8, 18/13 || | ||
|| 7 || 646.15 || 16/11, 13/9 || | || 7 || 646.15 ||= 16/11, 13/9 || | ||
|| 8 || 738.46 || 20/13 || | || 8 || 738.46 ||= 20/13 || | ||
|| 9 || 830.77 || 8/5, 13/8, 18/11 || | || 9 || 830.77 ||= 8/5, 13/8, 18/11 || | ||
|| 10 || 923.08 || 22/13 || | || 10 || 923.08 ||= 22/13 || | ||
|| 11 || 1015.38 || 9/5, 16/9, 20/11 || | || 11 || 1015.38 ||= 9/5, 16/9, 20/11 || | ||
|| 12 || 1107.69 || | || 12 || 1107.69 ||= 25/13, 104/55 || | ||
|| 13 || 1200 || 2/1 || | || 13 || 1200 ||= 2/1 || | ||
*based on treating 13-EDO as a 2.5.9.11.13 temperament; other approaches are possible. | *based on treating 13-EDO as a 2.5.9.11.13 temperament; other approaches are possible. | ||
==Harmony in 13edo== | ==Harmony in 13edo== | ||
Contrary to popular belief, consonant harmony is possible in 13-EDO, but it requires a radically different approach than that used in 12-EDO (or other Pythagorean or Meantone-based tunings). Trying to approximate the usual major and minor triads of 12-EDO within 13-EDO is usually a disappointment if consonance is the goal; 0-3-7, 0-4-7, 0-3-8, and 0-4-8 are all rather rough in 13-EDO. Typically, the most consonant harmonies do not use a "stack of 3rds" the way they do in 12-TET, since the strongest dissonances in 13-EDO are near the middle of the octave (degrees 6, 7, and 8). Instead, a stack of whole-tones, or a mixture of whole-tones and minor 3rds, often yields good results. For example, one way to view 13-EDO is as a subgroup temperament of harmonics 2.5.9.11.13. It actually performs quite admirably in this regard, and a chord of 0-4-15-19-22 (approximating 4:5:9:11:13) sounds very convincing. The simplest MOS scale to support this pentad uses the 2nd degree (~185 cents) as a generator, and at 7 notes (6L1s) two full pentads are available (as well as two more 4:5:9:11 tetrad, and one 4:5:9:13 tetrad). | Contrary to popular belief, consonant harmony is possible in 13-EDO, but it requires a radically different approach than that used in 12-EDO (or other Pythagorean or Meantone-based tunings). Trying to approximate the usual major and minor triads of 12-EDO within 13-EDO is usually a disappointment if consonance is the goal; 0-3-7, 0-4-7, 0-3-8, and 0-4-8 are all rather rough in 13-EDO. Typically, the most consonant harmonies do not use a "stack of 3rds" the way they do in 12-TET, since the strongest dissonances in 13-EDO are near the middle of the octave (degrees 6, 7, and 8). Instead, a stack of whole-tones, or a mixture of whole-tones and minor 3rds, often yields good results. For example, one way to view 13-EDO is as a subgroup temperament of harmonics 2.5.9.11.13. It actually performs quite admirably in this regard, and a chord of 0-4-15-19-22 (approximating 4:5:9:11:13) sounds very convincing. The simplest MOS scale to support this pentad uses the 2nd degree (~185 cents) as a generator, and at 7 notes (6L1s) two full pentads are available (as well as two more 4:5:9:11 tetrad, and one 4:5:9:13 tetrad). | ||
==Scales in 13edo== | ==Scales in 13edo== | ||
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<td>Cents<br /> | <td>Cents<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>Approximate Ratios*<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">Approximate Ratios*<br /> | ||
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<td>0<br /> | <td>0<br /> | ||
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<td>1/1<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">1/1<br /> | ||
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<td>92.3077<br /> | <td>92.3077<br /> | ||
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<td><br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">55/52, 117/110, 26/25<br /> | ||
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<td>184.6154<br /> | <td>184.6154<br /> | ||
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<td>10/9, 9/8, 11/10<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">10/9, 9/8, 11/10<br /> | ||
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</tr> | </tr> | ||
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<td>276.9231<br /> | <td>276.9231<br /> | ||
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<td>13/11<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">13/11<br /> | ||
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<td>369.2308<br /> | <td>369.2308<br /> | ||
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<td>5/4, 16/13, 11/9<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">5/4, 16/13, 11/9<br /> | ||
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<td>461.5385<br /> | <td>461.5385<br /> | ||
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<td>13/10<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">13/10<br /> | ||
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<td>553.84<br /> | <td>553.84<br /> | ||
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<td>11/8, 18/13<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">11/8, 18/13<br /> | ||
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<td>646.15<br /> | <td>646.15<br /> | ||
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<td>16/11, 13/9<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">16/11, 13/9<br /> | ||
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<td>738.46<br /> | <td>738.46<br /> | ||
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<td>20/13<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">20/13<br /> | ||
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<td>830.77<br /> | <td>830.77<br /> | ||
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<td>8/5, 13/8, 18/11<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">8/5, 13/8, 18/11<br /> | ||
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<td>923.08<br /> | <td>923.08<br /> | ||
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<td>22/13<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">22/13<br /> | ||
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<td>1015.38<br /> | <td>1015.38<br /> | ||
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<td>9/5, 16/9, 20/11<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">9/5, 16/9, 20/11<br /> | ||
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<td>1107.69<br /> | <td>1107.69<br /> | ||
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<td><br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">25/13, 104/55<br /> | ||
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<td>1200<br /> | <td>1200<br /> | ||
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<td>2/1<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">2/1<br /> | ||
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Contrary to popular belief, consonant harmony is possible in 13-EDO, but it requires a radically different approach than that used in 12-EDO (or other Pythagorean or Meantone-based tunings). Trying to approximate the usual major and minor triads of 12-EDO within 13-EDO is usually a disappointment if consonance is the goal; 0-3-7, 0-4-7, 0-3-8, and 0-4-8 are all rather rough in 13-EDO. Typically, the most consonant harmonies do not use a &quot;stack of 3rds&quot; the way they do in 12-TET, since the strongest dissonances in 13-EDO are near the middle of the octave (degrees 6, 7, and 8). Instead, a stack of whole-tones, or a mixture of whole-tones and minor 3rds, often yields good results. For example, one way to view 13-EDO is as a subgroup temperament of harmonics 2.5.9.11.13. It actually performs quite admirably in this regard, and a chord of 0-4-15-19-22 (approximating 4:5:9:11:13) sounds very convincing. The simplest MOS scale to support this pentad uses the 2nd degree (~185 cents) as a generator, and at 7 notes (6L1s) two full pentads are available (as well as two more 4:5:9:11 tetrad, and one 4:5:9:13 tetrad). <br /> | Contrary to popular belief, consonant harmony is possible in 13-EDO, but it requires a radically different approach than that used in 12-EDO (or other Pythagorean or Meantone-based tunings). Trying to approximate the usual major and minor triads of 12-EDO within 13-EDO is usually a disappointment if consonance is the goal; 0-3-7, 0-4-7, 0-3-8, and 0-4-8 are all rather rough in 13-EDO. Typically, the most consonant harmonies do not use a &quot;stack of 3rds&quot; the way they do in 12-TET, since the strongest dissonances in 13-EDO are near the middle of the octave (degrees 6, 7, and 8). Instead, a stack of whole-tones, or a mixture of whole-tones and minor 3rds, often yields good results. For example, one way to view 13-EDO is as a subgroup temperament of harmonics 2.5.9.11.13. It actually performs quite admirably in this regard, and a chord of 0-4-15-19-22 (approximating 4:5:9:11:13) sounds very convincing. The simplest MOS scale to support this pentad uses the 2nd degree (~185 cents) as a generator, and at 7 notes (6L1s) two full pentads are available (as well as two more 4:5:9:11 tetrad, and one 4:5:9:13 tetrad).<br /> | ||
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