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| <h2>IMPORTED REVISION FROM WIKISPACES</h2>
| | The 240edo divides the octave into 240 steps of exactly five cents each. One important use for it is in tuning marvel temperament and marvel's extension to spectacle temperament. |
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| <div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">The 240edo divides the octave into 240 steps of exactly five cents each. One important use for it is in tuning marvel temperament and marvel's extension to spectacle temperament.
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| If we round off to the nearest five cents, we end up with a [[Vals and Tuning Space|val]] (mapping to primes) for 240edo of <240 380 557 674|. This tempers out the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septimal_kleisma|septimal kleisma]] of 225/224, with low resultant errors (two cents flat for the fifth, a little over a cent flat and sharp, respectively, for the major third and the 7/4.) Retuning 5-limit scales to 240edo is a simple way to to make them function as 7-limit scales while retaining very accurate tuning. However [[197edo]], despite a flatter third, gives generally better results and may be preferred, whitherfore a compromise between good results and an accurate 5 may be worked out by means of retuning 5-limit scales to the 197&240 temperament. | | If we round off to the nearest five cents, we end up with a [[Vals_and_Tuning_Space|val]] (mapping to primes) for 240edo of <240 380 557 674|. This tempers out the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septimal_kleisma septimal kleisma] of 225/224, with low resultant errors (two cents flat for the fifth, a little over a cent flat and sharp, respectively, for the major third and the 7/4.) Retuning 5-limit scales to 240edo is a simple way to to make them function as 7-limit scales while retaining very accurate tuning. However [[197edo|197edo]], despite a flatter third, gives generally better results and may be preferred, whitherfore a compromise between good results and an accurate 5 may be worked out by means of retuning 5-limit scales to the 197&240 temperament. |
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| For higher limits, 240edo tempers out 243/242 in the 11-limit, 351/350 in the 13-limit, and 375/374 in the 17-limit, and adding these to the mix converts marvel temperament into spectacle temperament. This is still a planar temperament, but more complex as two unidecimal neutral thirds of 11/9 make up a fifth (which is in fact the same fifth as that of 12edo, and the 11/9 is the 350 cent interval often employed in 24edo versions of Arabic music.) Musical intervals are therefore generated by octaves, major thirds, and neutral thirds in spectacle. We have: | | For higher limits, 240edo tempers out 243/242 in the 11-limit, 351/350 in the 13-limit, and 375/374 in the 17-limit, and adding these to the mix converts marvel temperament into spectacle temperament. This is still a planar temperament, but more complex as two unidecimal neutral thirds of 11/9 make up a fifth (which is in fact the same fifth as that of 12edo, and the 11/9 is the 350 cent interval often employed in 24edo versions of Arabic music.) Musical intervals are therefore generated by octaves, major thirds, and neutral thirds in spectacle. We have: |
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| 3 ~ 2 (11/9)^2 | | 3 ~ 2 (11/9)^2 |
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| 5 = 2^2 (5/4) | | 5 = 2^2 (5/4) |
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| 7 ~ 2 (11/9)^4 (5/4)^2 | | 7 ~ 2 (11/9)^4 (5/4)^2 |
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| 11 ~ 2^2 (11/9)^5 | | 11 ~ 2^2 (11/9)^5 |
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| 13 ~ 2^3 (11/9)^(-2) (5/4)^4 | | 13 ~ 2^3 (11/9)^(-2) (5/4)^4 |
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| 17 ~ 2^4 (11/9)^(-3) (5/4)^3 | | 17 ~ 2^4 (11/9)^(-3) (5/4)^3 |
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| It should be noted that the exponents of 5/4 above are all positive and go no higher than 4. | | It should be noted that the exponents of 5/4 above are all positive and go no higher than 4. |
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| ==Scales== | | ==Scales== |
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| Here are some examples of scales retuned to 240edo and hence exhibiting marvel temperament. | | Here are some examples of scales retuned to 240edo and hence exhibiting marvel temperament. |
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| ! duodene.scl | | ! duodene.scl |
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| ! | | ! |
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| Ellis's Duodene : genus [33355] | | Ellis's Duodene : genus [33355] |
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| 12 | | 12 |
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| ! | | ! |
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| 16/15 | | 16/15 |
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| 9/8 | | 9/8 |
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| 6/5 | | 6/5 |
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| 5/4 | | 5/4 |
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| 4/3 | | 4/3 |
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| 45/32 | | 45/32 |
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| 3/2 | | 3/2 |
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| 8/5 | | 8/5 |
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| 5/3 | | 5/3 |
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| 9/5 | | 9/5 |
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| 15/8 | | 15/8 |
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| 2/1 | | 2/1 |
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| ! duodene240.scl | | ! duodene240.scl |
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| ! | | ! |
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| Ellis's Duodene : genus [33355] retuned to 240edo | | Ellis's Duodene : genus [33355] retuned to 240edo |
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| 12 | | 12 |
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| ! | | ! |
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| 115. | | 115. |
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| 200. | | 200. |
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| 315. | | 315. |
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| 385. | | 385. |
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| 500. | | 500. |
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| 585. | | 585. |
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| 700. | | 700. |
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| 815. | | 815. |
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| 885. | | 885. |
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| 1015. | | 1015. |
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| 1085. | | 1085. |
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| 1200. | | 1200. |
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| | ! lumma5.scl |
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| ! lumma5.scl
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| ! | | ! |
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| Carl Lumma's scale, 5-limit just version, TL 19-2-99 | | Carl Lumma's scale, 5-limit just version, TL 19-2-99 |
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| ! Also diadie1, prism, Fokker 12-tone just | | ! Also diadie1, prism, Fokker 12-tone just |
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| 12 | | 12 |
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| ! | | ! |
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| 16/15 | | 16/15 |
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| 9/8 | | 9/8 |
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| 75/64 | | 75/64 |
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| 5/4 | | 5/4 |
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| 4/3 | | 4/3 |
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| 45/32 | | 45/32 |
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| 3/2 | | 3/2 |
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| 8/5 | | 8/5 |
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| 5/3 | | 5/3 |
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| 225/128 | | 225/128 |
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| 15/8 | | 15/8 |
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| 2/1 | | 2/1 |
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| | ! lumma5_240.scl |
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| ! lumma5_240.scl
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| ! | | ! |
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| Carl Lumma's scale aka diadie1, 240edo version | | Carl Lumma's scale aka diadie1, 240edo version |
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| 12 | | 12 |
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| ! | | ! |
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| 115. | | 115. |
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| 200. | | 200. |
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| 270. | | 270. |
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| 385. | | 385. |
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| 500. | | 500. |
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| 585. | | 585. |
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| 700. | | 700. |
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| 815. | | 815. |
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| 885. | | 885. |
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| 970. | | 970. |
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| 1085. | | 1085. |
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| 1200. | | 1200. |
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| ! marvel chords | | ! marvel chords |
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| ! [-1, -1, 2]->[-1, 0, -2]||[0, -1, -1]->[0, 0, -1]->[0, 0, 0]->[0, 0, 1]->[0, 0, 2] | | ! [-1, -1, 2]->[-1, 0, -2]||[0, -1, -1]->[0, 0, -1]->[0, 0, 0]->[0, 0, 1]->[0, 0, 2] |
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| ! pum14.scl | | ! pum14.scl |
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| pum14 scale | | pum14 scale |
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| 14 | | 14 |
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| 25/24 | | 25/24 |
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| 16/15 | | 16/15 |
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| 10/9 | | 10/9 |
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| 75/64 | | 75/64 |
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| 5/4 | | 5/4 |
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| 4/3 | | 4/3 |
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| 64/45 | | 64/45 |
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| 3/2 | | 3/2 |
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| 25/16 | | 25/16 |
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| 8/5 | | 8/5 |
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| 5/3 | | 5/3 |
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| 16/9 | | 16/9 |
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| 15/8 | | 15/8 |
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| 2 | | 2 |
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| ! pum14_240.scl | | ! pum14_240.scl |
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| pum14 in 240edo | | pum14 in 240edo |
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| 14 | | 14 |
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| ! | | ! |
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| 70. | | 70. |
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| 115. | | 115. |
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| 185. | | 185. |
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| 270. | | 270. |
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| 385. | | 385. |
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| 500. | | 500. |
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| 615. | | 615. |
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| 700. | | 700. |
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| 770. | | 770. |
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| 815. | | 815. |
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| 885. | | 885. |
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| 1000. | | 1000. |
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| 1085. | | 1085. |
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| 1200. | | 1200. |
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| ! tetrads [[0, -1, 0], [0, -1, 1], [1, -1, 1], [1, -1, 2], ! [0, 0, 2], [0, -1, -2], [0, 0, 1], [0, -1, -1]] | | ! tetrads [[0, -1, 0], [0, -1, 1], [1, -1, 1], [1, -1, 2], ! [0, 0, 2], [0, -1, -2], [0, 0, 1], [0, -1, -1]] |
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| ! doubleduo.scl | | ! doubleduo.scl |
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| Ellis duodene union 11/9 times the duodene in 240et | | Ellis duodene union 11/9 times the duodene in 240et |
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| 24 | | 24 |
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| ! | | ! |
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| 35. | | 35. |
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| 115. | | 115. |
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| 165. | | 165. |
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| 200. | | 200. |
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| 235. | | 235. |
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| 315. | | 315. |
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| 350. | | 350. |
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| 385. | | 385. |
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| 465. | | 465. |
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| 500. | | 500. |
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| 550. | | 550. |
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| 585. | | 585. |
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| 665. | | 665. |
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| 700. | | 700. |
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| 735. | | 735. |
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| 815. | | 815. |
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| 850. | | 850. |
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| 885. | | 885. |
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| 935. | | 935. |
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| 1015. | | 1015. |
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| 1050. | | 1050. |
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| 1085. | | 1085. |
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| 1165. | | 1165. |
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| 1200. | | 1200. |
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| ==Links== | | ==Links== |
| [[Shaahin Mohajeri]], an Iranian Tombak player and composer, calls his personal [[http://sites.google.com/site/240edo/|Google site]] "240edo", where he makes the point that five cents is a size close to the [[Just noticeable difference|just noticeable difference]] between pitches.</pre></div> | | [[Shaahin_Mohajeri|Shaahin Mohajeri]], an Iranian Tombak player and composer, calls his personal [http://sites.google.com/site/240edo/ Google site] "240edo", where he makes the point that five cents is a size close to the [[Just_noticeable_difference|just noticeable difference]] between pitches. |
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| <div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html"><html><head><title>240edo</title></head><body>The 240edo divides the octave into 240 steps of exactly five cents each. One important use for it is in tuning marvel temperament and marvel's extension to spectacle temperament.<br />
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| If we round off to the nearest five cents, we end up with a <a class="wiki_link" href="/Vals%20and%20Tuning%20Space">val</a> (mapping to primes) for 240edo of &lt;240 380 557 674|. This tempers out the <a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septimal_kleisma" rel="nofollow">septimal kleisma</a> of 225/224, with low resultant errors (two cents flat for the fifth, a little over a cent flat and sharp, respectively, for the major third and the 7/4.) Retuning 5-limit scales to 240edo is a simple way to to make them function as 7-limit scales while retaining very accurate tuning. However <a class="wiki_link" href="/197edo">197edo</a>, despite a flatter third, gives generally better results and may be preferred, whitherfore a compromise between good results and an accurate 5 may be worked out by means of retuning 5-limit scales to the 197&amp;240 temperament.<br />
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| For higher limits, 240edo tempers out 243/242 in the 11-limit, 351/350 in the 13-limit, and 375/374 in the 17-limit, and adding these to the mix converts marvel temperament into spectacle temperament. This is still a planar temperament, but more complex as two unidecimal neutral thirds of 11/9 make up a fifth (which is in fact the same fifth as that of 12edo, and the 11/9 is the 350 cent interval often employed in 24edo versions of Arabic music.) Musical intervals are therefore generated by octaves, major thirds, and neutral thirds in spectacle. We have:<br />
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| 3 ~ 2 (11/9)^2<br />
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| 5 = 2^2 (5/4)<br />
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| 7 ~ 2 (11/9)^4 (5/4)^2<br />
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| 11 ~ 2^2 (11/9)^5<br />
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| 13 ~ 2^3 (11/9)^(-2) (5/4)^4<br />
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| 17 ~ 2^4 (11/9)^(-3) (5/4)^3<br />
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| Here are some examples of scales retuned to 240edo and hence exhibiting marvel temperament.<br />
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| ! duodene.scl<br />
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| Ellis's Duodene : genus [33355]<br />
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| 12<br />
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| 16/15<br />
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| 9/8<br />
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| 6/5<br />
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| 5/4<br />
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| 4/3<br />
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| 45/32<br />
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| 3/2<br />
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| 8/5<br />
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| 5/3<br />
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| 9/5<br />
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| 15/8<br />
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| 2/1<br />
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| ! duodene240.scl<br />
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| !<br />
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| Ellis's Duodene : genus [33355] retuned to 240edo<br />
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| 12<br />
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| 115.<br />
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| 200.<br />
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| 315.<br />
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| 385.<br />
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| 500.<br />
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| 585.<br />
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| 700.<br />
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| 815.<br />
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| 885.<br />
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| 1015.<br />
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| 1085.<br />
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| 1200.<br />
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| ! lumma5.scl<br />
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| Carl Lumma's scale, 5-limit just version, TL 19-2-99<br />
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| ! Also diadie1, prism, Fokker 12-tone just<br />
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| 12<br />
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| 16/15<br />
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| 9/8<br />
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| 75/64<br />
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| 5/4<br />
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| 4/3<br />
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| 45/32<br />
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| 3/2<br />
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| 8/5<br />
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| 5/3<br />
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| 225/128<br />
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| 15/8<br />
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| 2/1<br />
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| ! lumma5_240.scl<br />
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| Carl Lumma's scale aka diadie1, 240edo version<br />
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| 12<br />
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| 115.<br />
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| 585.<br />
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| 700.<br />
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| 1200.<br />
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| ! marvel chords<br />
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| ! [-1, -1, 2]-&gt;[-1, 0, -2]||[0, -1, -1]-&gt;[0, 0, -1]-&gt;[0, 0, 0]-&gt;[0, 0, 1]-&gt;[0, 0, 2]<br />
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| ! pum14.scl<br />
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| pum14 scale<br />
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| 14<br />
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| 25/24<br />
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| 16/15<br />
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| 10/9<br />
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| 75/64<br />
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| 5/4<br />
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| 4/3<br />
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| 64/45<br />
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| 3/2<br />
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| 25/16<br />
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| 8/5<br />
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| 5/3<br />
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| 16/9<br />
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| 15/8<br />
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| 2<br />
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| ! pum14_240.scl<br />
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| pum14 in 240edo<br />
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| 14<br />
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| 70.<br />
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| 115.<br />
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| 500.<br />
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| 815.<br />
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| 1000.<br />
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| 1085.<br />
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| 1200.<br />
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| ! tetrads [[0, -1, 0], [0, -1, 1], [1, -1, 1], [1, -1, 2], ! [0, 0, 2], [0, -1, -2], [0, 0, 1], [0, -1, -1]]<br />
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| ! doubleduo.scl<br />
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| Ellis duodene union 11/9 times the duodene in 240et<br />
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| 24<br />
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| 35.<br />
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| <a class="wiki_link" href="/Shaahin%20Mohajeri">Shaahin Mohajeri</a>, an Iranian Tombak player and composer, calls his personal <a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://sites.google.com/site/240edo/" rel="nofollow">Google site</a> &quot;240edo&quot;, where he makes the point that five cents is a size close to the <a class="wiki_link" href="/Just%20noticeable%20difference">just noticeable difference</a> between pitches.</body></html></pre></div>
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