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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">[[toc|flat]] | <div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">[[toc|flat]] | ||
=Abstract= | =Abstract= | ||
A val, intuitively speaking, provides a way to map intervals in an EDO back to JI. It tells us, when we look at an EDO like 12-equal, how exactly we'd like to describe the intervals in an EDO as being tempered versions of more fundamental JI intervals. It tells us which interval we're going to describe as the tempered 3/2, which interval we're going to describe as the tempered 5/4, etc | A val, intuitively speaking, provides a way to map intervals in an EDO back to JI. It tells us, when we look at an EDO like 12-equal, how exactly we'd like to describe the intervals in an EDO as being tempered versions of more fundamental JI intervals. It tells us which interval we're going to describe as the tempered 3/2, which interval we're going to describe as the tempered 5/4, etc. | ||
A val maps the intervals in an EDO back to JI by describing the mapping for each of the primes. By mapping the primes, you hence indirectly map all of the rationals, since every rational number can be described as a product of primes. It's usually written in the notation <a b c d e f ... |, where each column represents prime 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13... etc, in that order, up to some [[harmonic limit|prime limit]]. | Sometimes there's more than one sensible way to map the intervals in an EDO back to JI, and hence in that situation there's more than one val you could apply to an EDO. A val maps the intervals in an EDO back to JI by describing the mapping for each of the primes. By mapping the primes, you hence indirectly map all of the rationals, since every rational number can be described as a product of primes. It's usually written in the notation <a b c d e f ... |, where each column represents prime 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13... etc, in that order, up to some [[harmonic limit|prime limit]]. | ||
For example, the 5-limit val <12 19 28| tells us that | For example, the 5-limit val <12 19 28| tells us that you'd like to view 12 steps of 12-equal as representing a tempered 2/1, 19 steps of 12-equal as representing a tempered 3/1, and 28 steps of 12-equal as representing a tempered 5/1. If you would like to assume the perspective that the 10 step interval in 12-equal (representing 1000 cents) is a very tempered 7/4, then that means that 7/1, which is 7/4 with two octaves stacked on top, is equal to 10 steps + 12 steps + 12 steps = 34 steps. This decision can hence be represented by using the 7-limit <12 19 28 34| val. | ||
Vals form the basis for all of regular temperament theory. They are important because they provide a way to mathematically formalize the chosen JI perspective you'd like to take on an EDO. As such, they will allow you to harness the very powerful realm of mathematics to describe the implications of your own musical intuitions. Once you've figured out how the perspective you've chosen to take on an EDO can be represented in val form, you can figure out what commas that EDO tempers out, what [[comma pump|comma pumps]] are available in the EDO, what the most consonant chords in the EDO are, how to optimize the octave stretch of the EDO to minimize tuning error, how to mix your val with another val to generate a rank-2 temperament such as [[meantone]] or [[Porcupine|porcupine]] temperament, and other operations as of yet undiscovered. | |||
(Caveat: a more formal definition for a val is that it maps JI intervals onto an EDO, rather than the other way around. This definition, while being perhaps less intuitive, is more applicable in some of the deeper implications of vals in regular temperament theory, which are not dealt with in this abstract.) | |||
=Definition= | =Definition= | ||
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The rank-1 [[7-limit]] [[val]] corresponding to [[31edo]] is <31 49 72 87|. This tells us that 31 steps reaches the 2, approximately 49 the 3, 72 the 5, and 87 the 7. In weighted coordinates, it becomes | The rank-1 [[7-limit]] patent [[val]] corresponding to [[31edo]] is <31 49 72 87|. This tells us that 31 steps reaches the 2, approximately 49 the 3, 72 the 5, and 87 the 7. In weighted coordinates, it becomes | ||
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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html"><html><head><title>Vals and Tuning Space</title></head><body><!-- ws:start:WikiTextTocRule:12:&lt;img id=&quot;wikitext@@toc@@flat&quot; class=&quot;WikiMedia WikiMediaTocFlat&quot; title=&quot;Table of Contents&quot; src=&quot;/site/embedthumbnail/toc/flat?w=100&amp;h=16&quot;/&gt; --><!-- ws:end:WikiTextTocRule:12 --><!-- ws:start:WikiTextTocRule:13: --><a href="#Abstract">Abstract</a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextTocRule:13 --><!-- ws:start:WikiTextTocRule:14: --> | <a href="#Definition">Definition</a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextTocRule:14 --><!-- ws:start:WikiTextTocRule:15: --><!-- ws:end:WikiTextTocRule:15 --><!-- ws:start:WikiTextTocRule:16: --> | <a href="#Vals and Monzos">Vals and Monzos</a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextTocRule:16 --><!-- ws:start:WikiTextTocRule:17: --> | <a href="#Example">Example</a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextTocRule:17 --><!-- ws:start:WikiTextTocRule:18: --> | <div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html"><html><head><title>Vals and Tuning Space</title></head><body><!-- ws:start:WikiTextTocRule:12:&lt;img id=&quot;wikitext@@toc@@flat&quot; class=&quot;WikiMedia WikiMediaTocFlat&quot; title=&quot;Table of Contents&quot; src=&quot;/site/embedthumbnail/toc/flat?w=100&amp;h=16&quot;/&gt; --><!-- ws:end:WikiTextTocRule:12 --><!-- ws:start:WikiTextTocRule:13: --><a href="#Abstract">Abstract</a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextTocRule:13 --><!-- ws:start:WikiTextTocRule:14: --> | <a href="#Definition">Definition</a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextTocRule:14 --><!-- ws:start:WikiTextTocRule:15: --><!-- ws:end:WikiTextTocRule:15 --><!-- ws:start:WikiTextTocRule:16: --> | <a href="#Vals and Monzos">Vals and Monzos</a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextTocRule:16 --><!-- ws:start:WikiTextTocRule:17: --> | <a href="#Example">Example</a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextTocRule:17 --><!-- ws:start:WikiTextTocRule:18: --> | ||
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A val, intuitively speaking, provides a way to map intervals in an EDO back to JI. It tells us, when we look at an EDO like 12-equal, how exactly we'd like to describe the intervals in an EDO as being tempered versions of more fundamental JI intervals. It tells us which interval we're going to describe as the tempered 3/2, which interval we're going to describe as the tempered 5/4, etc | A val, intuitively speaking, provides a way to map intervals in an EDO back to JI. It tells us, when we look at an EDO like 12-equal, how exactly we'd like to describe the intervals in an EDO as being tempered versions of more fundamental JI intervals. It tells us which interval we're going to describe as the tempered 3/2, which interval we're going to describe as the tempered 5/4, etc.<br /> | ||
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Sometimes there's more than one sensible way to map the intervals in an EDO back to JI, and hence in that situation there's more than one val you could apply to an EDO. A val maps the intervals in an EDO back to JI by describing the mapping for each of the primes. By mapping the primes, you hence indirectly map all of the rationals, since every rational number can be described as a product of primes. It's usually written in the notation &lt;a b c d e f ... |, where each column represents prime 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13... etc, in that order, up to some <a class="wiki_link" href="/harmonic%20limit">prime limit</a>.<br /> | |||
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If you would like to assume the perspective that the | For example, the 5-limit val &lt;12 19 28| tells us that you'd like to view 12 steps of 12-equal as representing a tempered 2/1, 19 steps of 12-equal as representing a tempered 3/1, and 28 steps of 12-equal as representing a tempered 5/1. If you would like to assume the perspective that the 10 step interval in 12-equal (representing 1000 cents) is a very tempered 7/4, then that means that 7/1, which is 7/4 with two octaves stacked on top, is equal to 10 steps + 12 steps + 12 steps = 34 steps. This decision can hence be represented by using the 7-limit &lt;12 19 28 34| val.<br /> | ||
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Vals form the basis for all of regular temperament theory. They are important because they provide a way to mathematically formalize the chosen JI perspective | Vals form the basis for all of regular temperament theory. They are important because they provide a way to mathematically formalize the chosen JI perspective you'd like to take on an EDO. As such, they will allow you to harness the very powerful realm of mathematics to describe the implications of your own musical intuitions. Once you've figured out how the perspective you've chosen to take on an EDO can be represented in val form, you can figure out what commas that EDO tempers out, what <a class="wiki_link" href="/comma%20pump">comma pumps</a> are available in the EDO, what the most consonant chords in the EDO are, how to optimize the octave stretch of the EDO to minimize tuning error, how to mix your val with another val to generate a rank-2 temperament such as <a class="wiki_link" href="/meantone">meantone</a> or <a class="wiki_link" href="/Porcupine">porcupine</a> temperament, and other operations as of yet undiscovered.<br /> | ||
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(Caveat: a more formal definition for a val is that it maps JI intervals onto an EDO, rather than the other way around. This definition, while being perhaps less intuitive, is more applicable in some of the deeper implications of vals in regular temperament theory, which are not dealt with in this abstract.)<br /> | |||
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The rank-1 <a class="wiki_link" href="/7-limit">7-limit</a> <a class="wiki_link" href="/val">val</a> corresponding to <a class="wiki_link" href="/31edo">31edo</a> is &lt;31 49 72 87|. This tells us that 31 steps reaches the 2, approximately 49 the 3, 72 the 5, and 87 the 7. In weighted coordinates, it becomes<br /> | The rank-1 <a class="wiki_link" href="/7-limit">7-limit</a> patent <a class="wiki_link" href="/val">val</a> corresponding to <a class="wiki_link" href="/31edo">31edo</a> is &lt;31 49 72 87|. This tells us that 31 steps reaches the 2, approximately 49 the 3, 72 the 5, and 87 the 7. In weighted coordinates, it becomes<br /> | ||
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