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scale in C: C C# Dbb Db D D# Dx Fbb Fb F F# Gbb Gb G G# Gx Ab A A# Ax Cbb Cb C
scale in C: C C# Dbb Db D D# Dx Fbb Fb F F# Gbb Gb G G# Gx Ab A A# Ax Cbb Cb C


Now that's an awful lot of sharps and flats, but that does make a neat and tidy notation (except for the Gbb-Gx fifth). And it exists as an alternative, embedded within our standard notation, with a key signature with circled X's on the B and E spots.
That's an awful lot of sharps and flats, but that does make a neat and tidy notation (except for the Dbb-Gx fifth). And it exists as an alternative, embedded within conventional notation, with a key signature with circled X's on the B and E spots.


So the chain of fifths has a few spots to watch out for. You have to remember that fifths sometimes appear as downminor 6ths, in the form of B-something to G-something. A little tricky, but manageable. Analogous to 12-ET, where G# to Eb is a fifth that looks like a sixth.
So the chain of fifths has a few spots to watch out for. You have to remember that fifths sometimes appear as downminor 6ths, in the form of B-something to G-something. A little tricky, but manageable. Analogous to 12-ET, where G# to Eb is a fifth that looks like a sixth.
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21edo: 1 - ^1 - v2 - 2 - ^2 - v3 - 3 - ^3 - v4 - 4 - ^4 - v5 - 5 - ^5 - v6 - 6 - ^6 - v7 - 7 - ^7 - v8 - 8
21edo: 1 - ^1 - v2 - 2 - ^2 - v3 - 3 - ^3 - v4 - 4 - ^4 - v5 - 5 - ^5 - v6 - 6 - ^6 - v7 - 7 - ^7 - v8 - 8
21edo: C - C^ - Dv - D - D^ - Ev - E - E^ - Fv - F - F^ - Gv - G - G^ - Av - A - A^ - Bv - B - B^ - Cv - C
21edo: C - C^ - Dv - D - D^ - Ev - E - E^ - Fv - F - F^ - Gv - G - G^ - Av - A - A^ - Bv - B - B^ - Cv - C
Just as ups and downs aren't needed in 19edo, sharps and flats aren't needed in 21edo. The sharp symbol actually indicates raising by zero EDOsteps, and F = F#. One could simply redefine the sharp and flat symbols to mean up and down in perfect EDOs, perhaps to make one's notation software easier to use. But this would be confusing because B - F# isn't a perfect fifth because it's actually .
Just as ups and downs aren't needed in 19edo, sharps and flats aren't needed in 21edo. The sharp symbol actually indicates raising by zero EDOsteps, and F = F#. One could simply redefine the sharp and flat symbols to mean up and down in perfect EDOs, perhaps to make one's notation software easier to use. But this would be confusing because B - F# isn't a perfect fifth because it's actually 13\21.


The 3rd special case is when the edo's fifth is wider than 3\5, as in 8edo, 13edo, 18edo and 23edo. Heptatonic fifth-based notation is impossible in these cases. The minor 2nd, which is the sum of five 4ths minus two 8ves, becomes a descending interval. Thus the major 3rd is wider than the perfect 4th, etc. Such EDOs are dealt with below.
The 3rd special case is when the edo's fifth is wider than 3\5, as in 8edo, 13edo, 18edo and 23edo. Heptatonic fifth-based notation is impossible in these cases. The minor 2nd, which is the sum of five 4ths minus two 8ves, becomes a descending interval. Thus the major 3rd is wider than the perfect 4th, etc. Such EDOs are dealt with below.
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scale in C: C C# Dbb Db D D# Dx Fbb Fb F F# Gbb Gb G G# Gx Ab A A# Ax Cbb Cb C&lt;br /&gt;
scale in C: C C# Dbb Db D D# Dx Fbb Fb F F# Gbb Gb G G# Gx Ab A A# Ax Cbb Cb C&lt;br /&gt;
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Now that's an awful lot of sharps and flats, but that does make a neat and tidy notation (except for the Gbb-Gx fifth). And it exists as an alternative, embedded within our standard notation, with a key signature with circled X's on the B and E spots.&lt;br /&gt;
That's an awful lot of sharps and flats, but that does make a neat and tidy notation (except for the Dbb-Gx fifth). And it exists as an alternative, embedded within conventional notation, with a key signature with circled X's on the B and E spots.&lt;br /&gt;
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So the chain of fifths has a few spots to watch out for. You have to remember that fifths sometimes appear as downminor 6ths, in the form of B-something to G-something. A little tricky, but manageable. Analogous to 12-ET, where G# to Eb is a fifth that looks like a sixth.&lt;br /&gt;
So the chain of fifths has a few spots to watch out for. You have to remember that fifths sometimes appear as downminor 6ths, in the form of B-something to G-something. A little tricky, but manageable. Analogous to 12-ET, where G# to Eb is a fifth that looks like a sixth.&lt;br /&gt;
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21edo: 1 - ^1 - v2 - 2 - ^2 - v3 - 3 - ^3 - v4 - 4 - ^4 - v5 - 5 - ^5 - v6 - 6 - ^6 - v7 - 7 - ^7 - v8 - 8&lt;br /&gt;
21edo: 1 - ^1 - v2 - 2 - ^2 - v3 - 3 - ^3 - v4 - 4 - ^4 - v5 - 5 - ^5 - v6 - 6 - ^6 - v7 - 7 - ^7 - v8 - 8&lt;br /&gt;
21edo: C - C^ - Dv - D - D^ - Ev - E - E^ - Fv - F - F^ - Gv - G - G^ - Av - A - A^ - Bv - B - B^ - Cv - C&lt;br /&gt;
21edo: C - C^ - Dv - D - D^ - Ev - E - E^ - Fv - F - F^ - Gv - G - G^ - Av - A - A^ - Bv - B - B^ - Cv - C&lt;br /&gt;
Just as ups and downs aren't needed in 19edo, sharps and flats aren't needed in 21edo. The sharp symbol actually indicates raising by zero EDOsteps, and F = F#. One could simply redefine the sharp and flat symbols to mean up and down in perfect EDOs, perhaps to make one's notation software easier to use. But this would be confusing because B - F# isn't a perfect fifth because it's actually .&lt;br /&gt;
Just as ups and downs aren't needed in 19edo, sharps and flats aren't needed in 21edo. The sharp symbol actually indicates raising by zero EDOsteps, and F = F#. One could simply redefine the sharp and flat symbols to mean up and down in perfect EDOs, perhaps to make one's notation software easier to use. But this would be confusing because B - F# isn't a perfect fifth because it's actually 13\21.&lt;br /&gt;
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The 3rd special case is when the edo's fifth is wider than 3\5, as in 8edo, 13edo, 18edo and 23edo. Heptatonic fifth-based notation is impossible in these cases. The minor 2nd, which is the sum of five 4ths minus two 8ves, becomes a descending interval. Thus the major 3rd is wider than the perfect 4th, etc. Such EDOs are dealt with below.&lt;br /&gt;
The 3rd special case is when the edo's fifth is wider than 3\5, as in 8edo, 13edo, 18edo and 23edo. Heptatonic fifth-based notation is impossible in these cases. The minor 2nd, which is the sum of five 4ths minus two 8ves, becomes a descending interval. Thus the major 3rd is wider than the perfect 4th, etc. Such EDOs are dealt with below.&lt;br /&gt;
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