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=Definition=
=Definition=
Given a reduced list of [[Prime limit|p-limit]] vals V, we may define a set of //transversal generators// for V as a set of p-limit intervals q such that one of the vals of V maps q to 1 and the rest map it to 0. By //reduced// is meant that the gcd of the elements of each of the vals is 1--or in other words, none of the vals are contorted--and that they are linearly independent, so that if there are r vals, the rank of V as a matrix is r.
Given a reduced list of [[Harmonic limit|p-limit]] vals V, we may define a set of //transversal generators// for V as a set of p-limit intervals q such that one of the vals of V maps q to 1 and the rest map it to 0. By //reduced// is meant that the gcd of the elements of each of the vals is 1--or in other words, none of the vals are contorted--and that they are linearly independent, so that if there are r vals, the rank of V as a matrix is r.


If v1, v2, ... vr are the vals of V and t1, t2, ... tr are the corresponding transversal generators, then for any p-limit q we have
If v1, v2, ... vr are the vals of V and t1, t2, ... tr are the corresponding transversal generators, then for any p-limit q we have
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q = t1^v1(q) * t2^v2(q) * ... * tr^vr(q)
q = t1^v1(q) * t2^v2(q) * ... * tr^vr(q)


In this way the transversal generators provide a [[Transverals|transversal]] of the p-limit, and hence the name.
In this way the transversal generators provide a [[Transversals|transversal]] of the p-limit, and hence the name.


=Examples=</pre></div>
=Examples=
Suppose V consists of the 7-limit patent vals for 12 and 19; that is, V = [&lt;12 19 28 34|, &lt;19 30 44 53|]. Then a corresponding list of transversal generators is [49/48, 36/35]. 49/48 corresponds to one step of 12et, and zero steps of 19et, whereas 36/35 is zero steps of 12et, and one step of 19et. This gives us a septimal meantone transversal of the 7-limit where 3/2 is represented by (49/48)^7 * (36/35)^11, and 2 is represented by (49/48)^12 * (36/35)^19. A more familiar septimal meantone transversal starts from the normal val list, [&lt;1 0 -4 -13|, &lt;0 1 4 10|], which corresponds to the transversal generators [2, 3].
 
Given a list of transversal generators, we may append a comma basis for V and obtain a basis for the entire p-limit. For instance, we may extend [49/48, 36/35] to [49/48, 36/35, 81/80, 126/125]. Taking the corresponding matrix of monzos, whose rows are monzos for this list, inverting it and then transposing, we obtain
 
[&lt;12 19 28 34|, &lt;19 30 44 53|, &lt;-4 -6 -9 -11|, &lt;-5 -8 -12 -14|]
 
This is a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unimodular_matrix|unimodular matrix]] defining a change of basis for the p-limit.
 
For another example, consider [&lt;1 1 1 2|, &lt;0 2 1 1|, &lt;0 0 2 1|] which is the [[Normal lists|normal val list]] for breed temperament, the temperament tempering out 2401/2400. A corresponding list of transversal generators is [2, 49/40, 10/7].</pre></div>
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Given a reduced list of &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Prime%20limit"&gt;p-limit&lt;/a&gt; vals V, we may define a set of &lt;em&gt;transversal generators&lt;/em&gt; for V as a set of p-limit intervals q such that one of the vals of V maps q to 1 and the rest map it to 0. By &lt;em&gt;reduced&lt;/em&gt; is meant that the gcd of the elements of each of the vals is 1--or in other words, none of the vals are contorted--and that they are linearly independent, so that if there are r vals, the rank of V as a matrix is r.&lt;br /&gt;
Given a reduced list of &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Harmonic%20limit"&gt;p-limit&lt;/a&gt; vals V, we may define a set of &lt;em&gt;transversal generators&lt;/em&gt; for V as a set of p-limit intervals q such that one of the vals of V maps q to 1 and the rest map it to 0. By &lt;em&gt;reduced&lt;/em&gt; is meant that the gcd of the elements of each of the vals is 1--or in other words, none of the vals are contorted--and that they are linearly independent, so that if there are r vals, the rank of V as a matrix is r.&lt;br /&gt;
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In this way the transversal generators provide a &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Transversals"&gt;transversal&lt;/a&gt; of the p-limit, and hence the name.&lt;br /&gt;
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Suppose V consists of the 7-limit patent vals for 12 and 19; that is, V = [&amp;lt;12 19 28 34|, &amp;lt;19 30 44 53|]. Then a corresponding list of transversal generators is [49/48, 36/35]. 49/48 corresponds to one step of 12et, and zero steps of 19et, whereas 36/35 is zero steps of 12et, and one step of 19et. This gives us a septimal meantone transversal of the 7-limit where 3/2 is represented by (49/48)^7 * (36/35)^11, and 2 is represented by (49/48)^12 * (36/35)^19. A more familiar septimal meantone transversal starts from the normal val list, [&amp;lt;1 0 -4 -13|, &amp;lt;0 1 4 10|], which corresponds to the transversal generators [2, 3].&lt;br /&gt;
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Given a list of transversal generators, we may append a comma basis for V and obtain a basis for the entire p-limit. For instance, we may extend [49/48, 36/35] to [49/48, 36/35, 81/80, 126/125]. Taking the corresponding matrix of monzos, whose rows are monzos for this list, inverting it and then transposing, we obtain&lt;br /&gt;
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[&amp;lt;12 19 28 34|, &amp;lt;19 30 44 53|, &amp;lt;-4 -6 -9 -11|, &amp;lt;-5 -8 -12 -14|]&lt;br /&gt;
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For another example, consider [&amp;lt;1 1 1 2|, &amp;lt;0 2 1 1|, &amp;lt;0 0 2 1|] which is the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Normal%20lists"&gt;normal val list&lt;/a&gt; for breed temperament, the temperament tempering out 2401/2400. A corresponding list of transversal generators is [2, 49/40, 10/7].&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>

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=Definition=
Given a reduced list of [[Harmonic limit|p-limit]] vals V, we may define a set of //transversal generators// for V as a set of p-limit intervals q such that one of the vals of V maps q to 1 and the rest map it to 0. By //reduced// is meant that the gcd of the elements of each of the vals is 1--or in other words, none of the vals are contorted--and that they are linearly independent, so that if there are r vals, the rank of V as a matrix is r.

If v1, v2, ... vr are the vals of V and t1, t2, ... tr are the corresponding transversal generators, then for any p-limit q we have

q = t1^v1(q) * t2^v2(q) * ... * tr^vr(q)

In this way the transversal generators provide a [[Transversals|transversal]] of the p-limit, and hence the name.

=Examples=
Suppose V consists of the 7-limit patent vals for 12 and 19; that is, V = [<12 19 28 34|, <19 30 44 53|]. Then a corresponding list of transversal generators is [49/48, 36/35]. 49/48 corresponds to one step of 12et, and zero steps of 19et, whereas 36/35 is zero steps of 12et, and one step of 19et. This gives us a septimal meantone transversal of the 7-limit where 3/2 is represented by (49/48)^7 * (36/35)^11, and 2 is represented by (49/48)^12 * (36/35)^19. A more familiar septimal meantone transversal starts from the normal val list, [<1 0 -4 -13|, <0 1 4 10|], which corresponds to the transversal generators [2, 3].

Given a list of transversal generators, we may append a comma basis for V and obtain a basis for the entire p-limit. For instance, we may extend [49/48, 36/35] to [49/48, 36/35, 81/80, 126/125]. Taking the corresponding matrix of monzos, whose rows are monzos for this list, inverting it and then transposing, we obtain

[<12 19 28 34|, <19 30 44 53|, <-4 -6 -9 -11|, <-5 -8 -12 -14|]

This is a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unimodular_matrix|unimodular matrix]] defining a change of basis for the p-limit.

For another example, consider [<1 1 1 2|, <0 2 1 1|, <0 0 2 1|] which is the [[Normal lists|normal val list]] for breed temperament, the temperament tempering out 2401/2400. A corresponding list of transversal generators is [2, 49/40, 10/7].

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Given a reduced list of <a class="wiki_link" href="/Harmonic%20limit">p-limit</a> vals V, we may define a set of <em>transversal generators</em> for V as a set of p-limit intervals q such that one of the vals of V maps q to 1 and the rest map it to 0. By <em>reduced</em> is meant that the gcd of the elements of each of the vals is 1--or in other words, none of the vals are contorted--and that they are linearly independent, so that if there are r vals, the rank of V as a matrix is r.<br />
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If v1, v2, ... vr are the vals of V and t1, t2, ... tr are the corresponding transversal generators, then for any p-limit q we have<br />
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q = t1^v1(q) * t2^v2(q) * ... * tr^vr(q)<br />
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In this way the transversal generators provide a <a class="wiki_link" href="/Transversals">transversal</a> of the p-limit, and hence the name.<br />
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Suppose V consists of the 7-limit patent vals for 12 and 19; that is, V = [&lt;12 19 28 34|, &lt;19 30 44 53|]. Then a corresponding list of transversal generators is [49/48, 36/35]. 49/48 corresponds to one step of 12et, and zero steps of 19et, whereas 36/35 is zero steps of 12et, and one step of 19et. This gives us a septimal meantone transversal of the 7-limit where 3/2 is represented by (49/48)^7 * (36/35)^11, and 2 is represented by (49/48)^12 * (36/35)^19. A more familiar septimal meantone transversal starts from the normal val list, [&lt;1 0 -4 -13|, &lt;0 1 4 10|], which corresponds to the transversal generators [2, 3].<br />
<br />
Given a list of transversal generators, we may append a comma basis for V and obtain a basis for the entire p-limit. For instance, we may extend [49/48, 36/35] to [49/48, 36/35, 81/80, 126/125]. Taking the corresponding matrix of monzos, whose rows are monzos for this list, inverting it and then transposing, we obtain<br />
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[&lt;12 19 28 34|, &lt;19 30 44 53|, &lt;-4 -6 -9 -11|, &lt;-5 -8 -12 -14|]<br />
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This is a <a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unimodular_matrix" rel="nofollow">unimodular matrix</a> defining a change of basis for the p-limit.<br />
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For another example, consider [&lt;1 1 1 2|, &lt;0 2 1 1|, &lt;0 0 2 1|] which is the <a class="wiki_link" href="/Normal%20lists">normal val list</a> for breed temperament, the temperament tempering out 2401/2400. A corresponding list of transversal generators is [2, 49/40, 10/7].</body></html>