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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">The 5-limit parent comma for the schismatic family is the schisma of 32805/32768, which is the amount by which the Pythagorean comma exceeds the Didymos comma (81/80), or alternatively put, the difference between a just major third and a just diminished fourth. Its [[monzo]] is |-15 8 1>, and flipping that yields <<1 -8 15|| for the [[wedgie]]. This tells us the generator is a fifth and that we will need eight fourths in succession to reach the pitch class of a major third. In fact, 10 = (4/3)^8 * 32805/32768. The 5-limit version of the temperament is a [[Microtempering|microtemperament]] which flattens the fifth by a fraction of a schisma, but other members of the family are less accurate. As a 5-limit system, it is far more accurate than meantone but still with manageable complexity. [[53edo]] is a possible tuning for schismatic, but you need [[118edo]] if you want to get the full effect. In exact analogy with 1/4 comma meantone there is also 1/8 schisma schismatic, with pure major thirds and fifths flattened by 1/8 schisma. Since 1/8 of a schisma is 0.244 cents, this falls into the range of microtempering.

<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">The 5-limit parent comma for the schismatic family is the schisma of 32805/32768, which is the amount by which the Pythagorean comma exceeds the Didymos comma (81/80), or alternatively put, the difference between a just major third and a just diminished fourth. Its [[monzo]] is |-15 8 1>, and flipping that yields <<1 -8 15|| for the [[wedgie]]. This tells us the generator is a fifth and that we will need eight fourths in succession to reach the pitch class of a major third. In fact, 10 = (4/3)^8 * 32805/32768.

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The 5-limit version of the temperament is a [[Microtempering|microtemperament]], sometimes called hanson or schismatic, which flattens the fifth by a fraction of a schisma, but other members of the family are less accurate. As a 5-limit system, it is far more accurate than meantone but still with manageable complexity. [[53edo]] is a possible tuning for schismatic, but you need [[118edo]] if you want to get the full effect. In exact analogy with 1/4 comma meantone there is also 1/8 schisma schismatic, with pure major thirds and fifths flattened by 1/8 schisma. Since 1/8 of a schisma is 0.244 cents, this falls into the range of microtempering.

==Seven limit children==

The second comma of the [[Normal lists|normal comma list]] defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Adding |25 -14 0 -1> gives garibaldi, |-44 26 0 1> grackle, |6 -2 0 -1> schism and |-59 39 0 -1> pontiac; these all have a fifth as generator. Bischismic adds |-69 40 0 2> and has a fifth generator with a half-octave period. Guiron adds 1029/1024 = |-10 1 0 3>, with an 8/7 generator, three of which give the fifth. Sesquiquartififths adds |-35 15 0 4> and slices the fifth in four.</pre></div>

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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html"><html><head><title>Schismatic family</title></head><body>The 5-limit parent comma for the schismatic family is the schisma of 32805/32768, which is the amount by which the Pythagorean comma exceeds the Didymos comma (81/80), or alternatively put, the difference between a just major third and a just diminished fourth. Its <a class="wiki_link" href="/monzo">monzo</a> is |-15 8 1&gt;, and flipping that yields &lt;&lt;1 -8 15|| for the <a class="wiki_link" href="/wedgie">wedgie</a>. This tells us the generator is a fifth and that we will need eight fourths in succession to reach the pitch class of a major third. In fact, 10 = (4/3)^8 * 32805/32768. The 5-limit version of the temperament is a <a class="wiki_link" href="/Microtempering">microtemperament</a> which flattens the fifth by a fraction of a schisma, but other members of the family are less accurate. As a 5-limit system, it is far more accurate than meantone but still with manageable complexity. <a class="wiki_link" href="/53edo">53edo</a> is a possible tuning for schismatic, but you need <a class="wiki_link" href="/118edo">118edo</a> if you want to get the full effect. In exact analogy with 1/4 comma meantone there is also 1/8 schisma schismatic, with pure major thirds and fifths flattened by 1/8 schisma. Since 1/8 of a schisma is 0.244 cents, this falls into the range of microtempering.</body></html></pre></div>

<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html"><html><head><title>Schismatic family</title></head><body>The 5-limit parent comma for the schismatic family is the schisma of 32805/32768, which is the amount by which the Pythagorean comma exceeds the Didymos comma (81/80), or alternatively put, the difference between a just major third and a just diminished fourth. Its <a class="wiki_link" href="/monzo">monzo</a> is |-15 8 1&gt;, and flipping that yields &lt;&lt;1 -8 15|| for the <a class="wiki_link" href="/wedgie">wedgie</a>. This tells us the generator is a fifth and that we will need eight fourths in succession to reach the pitch class of a major third. In fact, 10 = (4/3)^8 * 32805/32768. <br />

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The 5-limit version of the temperament is a <a class="wiki_link" href="/Microtempering">microtemperament</a>, sometimes called hanson or schismatic, which flattens the fifth by a fraction of a schisma, but other members of the family are less accurate. As a 5-limit system, it is far more accurate than meantone but still with manageable complexity. <a class="wiki_link" href="/53edo">53edo</a> is a possible tuning for schismatic, but you need <a class="wiki_link" href="/118edo">118edo</a> if you want to get the full effect. In exact analogy with 1/4 comma meantone there is also 1/8 schisma schismatic, with pure major thirds and fifths flattened by 1/8 schisma. Since 1/8 of a schisma is 0.244 cents, this falls into the range of microtempering.<br />

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<h2 id="toc0"><a name="x-Seven limit children"></a>Seven limit children</h2>

The second comma of the <a class="wiki_link" href="/Normal%20lists">normal comma list</a> defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Adding |25 -14 0 -1&gt; gives garibaldi, |-44 26 0 1&gt; grackle, |6 -2 0 -1&gt; schism and |-59 39 0 -1&gt; pontiac; these all have a fifth as generator. Bischismic adds |-69 40 0 2&gt; and has a fifth generator with a half-octave period. Guiron adds 1029/1024 = |-10 1 0 3&gt;, with an 8/7 generator, three of which give the fifth. Sesquiquartififths adds |-35 15 0 4&gt; and slices the fifth in four.</body></html></pre></div>

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-<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">The 5-limit parent comma for the schismatic family is the schisma of 32805/32768, which is the amount by which the Pythagorean comma exceeds the Didymos comma (81/80), or alternatively put, the difference between a just major third and a just diminished fourth. Its [[monzo]] is |-15 8 1&gt;, and flipping that yields &lt;&lt;1 -8 15|| for the [[wedgie]]. This tells us the generator is a fifth and that we will need eight fourths in succession to reach the pitch class of a major third. In fact, 10 = (4/3)^8 * 32805/32768. The 5-limit version of the temperament is a [[Microtempering|microtemperament]] which flattens the fifth by a fraction of a schisma, but other members of the family are less accurate. As a 5-limit system, it is far more accurate than meantone but still with manageable complexity. [[53edo]] is a possible tuning for schismatic, but you need [[118edo]] if you want to get the full effect. In exact analogy with 1/4 comma meantone there is also 1/8 schisma schismatic, with pure major thirds and fifths flattened by 1/8 schisma. Since 1/8 of a schisma is 0.244 cents, this falls into the range of microtempering.
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+The 5-limit version of the temperament is a [[Microtempering|microtemperament]], sometimes called hanson or schismatic, which flattens the fifth by a fraction of a schisma, but other members of the family are less accurate. As a 5-limit system, it is far more accurate than meantone but still with manageable complexity. [[53edo]] is a possible tuning for schismatic, but you need [[118edo]] if you want to get the full effect. In exact analogy with 1/4 comma meantone there is also 1/8 schisma schismatic, with pure major thirds and fifths flattened by 1/8 schisma. Since 1/8 of a schisma is 0.244 cents, this falls into the range of microtempering.
+==Seven limit children==
+The second comma of the [[Normal lists|normal comma list]] defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Adding |25 -14 0 -1&gt; gives garibaldi, |-44 26 0 1&gt; grackle, |6 -2 0 -1&gt; schism and |-59 39 0 -1&gt; pontiac; these all have a fifth as generator. Bischismic adds |-69 40 0 2&gt; and has a fifth generator with a half-octave period. Guiron adds 1029/1024 = |-10 1 0 3&gt;, with an 8/7 generator, three of which give the fifth. Sesquiquartififths adds |-35 15 0 4&gt; and slices the fifth in four.</pre></div>
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+<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">&lt;html&gt;&lt;head&gt;&lt;title&gt;Schismatic family&lt;/title&gt;&lt;/head&gt;&lt;body&gt;The 5-limit parent comma for the schismatic family is the schisma of 32805/32768, which is the amount by which the Pythagorean comma exceeds the Didymos comma (81/80), or alternatively put, the difference between a just major third and a just diminished fourth. Its &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/monzo"&gt;monzo&lt;/a&gt; is |-15 8 1&amp;gt;, and flipping that yields &amp;lt;&amp;lt;1 -8 15|| for the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/wedgie"&gt;wedgie&lt;/a&gt;. This tells us the generator is a fifth and that we will need eight fourths in succession to reach the pitch class of a major third. In fact, 10 = (4/3)^8 * 32805/32768. &lt;br /&gt;
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+The 5-limit version of the temperament is a &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Microtempering"&gt;microtemperament&lt;/a&gt;, sometimes called hanson or schismatic, which flattens the fifth by a fraction of a schisma, but other members of the family are less accurate. As a 5-limit system, it is far more accurate than meantone but still with manageable complexity. &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/53edo"&gt;53edo&lt;/a&gt; is a possible tuning for schismatic, but you need &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/118edo"&gt;118edo&lt;/a&gt; if you want to get the full effect. In exact analogy with 1/4 comma meantone there is also 1/8 schisma schismatic, with pure major thirds and fifths flattened by 1/8 schisma. Since 1/8 of a schisma is 0.244 cents, this falls into the range of microtempering.&lt;br /&gt;
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