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===Ennealimmal temperament=== | ===Ennealimmal temperament=== | ||
Ennealimmal temperament tempers out the two smallest 7-limit superparticular commas, 2401/2400 and 4375/4374, leading to a temperament of unusual efficiency. It also tempers out the ennealimma comma, |1 -27 18>, which leads to the identification of (27/25)^9 with the octave, and gives ennealimmal a period of 1/9 octave. While 27/25 is a 5-limit interval, two periods equates to 7/6 because of identification by 4375/4374, and this represents 7/6 with such accuracy (a fifth of a cent flat) that there is no realistic possibility of treating ennealimmal as anything other than 7-limit. | Ennealimmal temperament tempers out the two smallest 7-limit superparticular commas, 2401/2400 and 4375/4374, leading to a temperament of unusual efficiency. It also tempers out the ennealimma comma, |1 -27 18>, which leads to the identification of (27/25)^9 with the octave, and gives ennealimmal a period of 1/9 octave. While 27/25 is a 5-limit interval, two periods equates to 7/6 because of identification by 4375/4374, and this represents 7/6 with such accuracy (a fifth of a cent flat) that there is no realistic possibility of treating ennealimmal as anything other than 7-limit. Its wedgie is <<18 27 18 1 -22 -34||. | ||
Aside from 10/9 which has already been mentioned, possible generators include 36/35, 21/20, 6/5, 7/5 and the neutral thirds pair 49/40 and 60/49, all of which have their own interesting advantages. Possible tunings are 441, 612, or 3600 equal, though its hardly likely anyone could tell the difference. | Aside from 10/9 which has already been mentioned, possible generators include 36/35, 21/20, 6/5, 7/5 and the neutral thirds pair 49/40 and 60/49, all of which have their own interesting advantages. Possible tunings are 441, 612, or 3600 equal, though its hardly likely anyone could tell the difference. | ||
===Supermajor temperament=== | ===Supermajor temperament=== | ||
The generator for supermajor is a supermajor third, 9/7, tuned about 0.0002 cents flat. 37 of these give (2^15)/3, 46 give (2^19)/5, and 75 give (2^30)/7, leading to a wedgie of <<37 46 75 -13 15 45||. This is clearly quite a complex temperament; it makes up for it, to the extent it does, with extreme accuracy: 1106 or 1277 can be used as tunings, leading to accuracy even greater | The generator for supermajor is a supermajor third, 9/7, tuned about 0.0002 cents flat. 37 of these give (2^15)/3, 46 give (2^19)/5, and 75 give (2^30)/7, leading to a wedgie of <<37 46 75 -13 15 45||. This is clearly quite a complex temperament; it makes up for it, to the extent it does, with extreme accuracy: 1106 or 1277 can be used as tunings, leading to accuracy even greater than that of ennealimmal. The 80 note MOS is presumably the place to start, and if that isn't enough notes for you, there's always the 171 note MOS. | ||
===Enneadecal temperament=== | ===Enneadecal temperament=== | ||
Enndedecal temperament tempers out the enneadeca, |-14 -19 19>, and as a consequence has a period of 1/19 octave. This is because the enneadeca is the amount by which nineteen just minor thirds fall short of an octave. If to this we add 4375/4374 we get the 7-limit temperament we are considering here, but note should be taken of the fact that it makes for a reasonable 5-limit microtemperament also, where the generator can be 25/24, 27/25, 10/9, 5/4 or 3/2. To this we may add possible 7-limit generators such as 225/224, 15/14 or 9/7. [[171edo]] is a good tuning for either the 5 or 7 limits, and [[494edo]] shows how to extend the temperament to the 11 or 13 limit, where it is accurate but very complex. Fans of near-perfect fifths may want to use [[665edo]] for a tuning.</pre></div> | Enndedecal temperament tempers out the enneadeca, |-14 -19 19>, and as a consequence has a period of 1/19 octave. This is because the enneadeca is the amount by which nineteen just minor thirds fall short of an octave. If to this we add 4375/4374 we get the 7-limit temperament we are considering here, but note should be taken of the fact that it makes for a reasonable 5-limit microtemperament also, where the generator can be 25/24, 27/25, 10/9, 5/4 or 3/2. To this we may add possible 7-limit generators such as 225/224, 15/14 or 9/7. Since enneadecal tempers out 703125/702464, the amount by which 81/80 falls short of three stacked 225/224, we can equate the 225/224 generator with (81/80)^(1/3). This is the interval needed to adjust the 1/3 comma meantone flat fifths and major thirds of [[19edo]] up to just ones. [[171edo]] is a good tuning for either the 5 or 7 limits, and [[494edo]] shows how to extend the temperament to the 11 or 13 limit, where it is accurate but very complex. Fans of near-perfect fifths may want to use [[665edo]] for a tuning.</pre></div> | ||
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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html"><html><head><title>Ragismic microtemperaments</title></head><body>The ragisma is 4375/4374, the smallest 7-limit superparticular ratio. Since (10/9)^4 = 4375/4374 * 32/21, the minor tone 10/9 tends to be an interval of relatively low complexity in temperaments tempering out the ragisma, though when looking at microtemperaments the word &quot;relatively&quot; should be emphasized. Even so mitonic uses it as a generator, which ennealimmal and enneadecal can do also, and amity reaches it in three generators. We also have 7/6 = 4375/4374 * (27/25)^2, so 27/25 also tends to relatively low cmplexity, with the same caveat about &quot;relatively&quot;; however 27/25 is the period for ennealimmal.<br /> | <div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html"><html><head><title>Ragismic microtemperaments</title></head><body>The ragisma is 4375/4374, the smallest 7-limit superparticular ratio. Since (10/9)^4 = 4375/4374 * 32/21, the minor tone 10/9 tends to be an interval of relatively low complexity in temperaments tempering out the ragisma, though when looking at microtemperaments the word &quot;relatively&quot; should be emphasized. Even so mitonic uses it as a generator, which ennealimmal and enneadecal can do also, and amity reaches it in three generators. We also have 7/6 = 4375/4374 * (27/25)^2, so 27/25 also tends to relatively low cmplexity, with the same caveat about &quot;relatively&quot;; however 27/25 is the period for ennealimmal.<br /> | ||
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Ennealimmal temperament tempers out the two smallest 7-limit superparticular commas, 2401/2400 and 4375/4374, leading to a temperament of unusual efficiency. It also tempers out the ennealimma comma, |1 -27 18&gt;, which leads to the identification of (27/25)^9 with the octave, and gives ennealimmal a period of 1/9 octave. While 27/25 is a 5-limit interval, two periods equates to 7/6 because of identification by 4375/4374, and this represents 7/6 with such accuracy (a fifth of a cent flat) that there is no realistic possibility of treating ennealimmal as anything other than 7-limit.<br /> | Ennealimmal temperament tempers out the two smallest 7-limit superparticular commas, 2401/2400 and 4375/4374, leading to a temperament of unusual efficiency. It also tempers out the ennealimma comma, |1 -27 18&gt;, which leads to the identification of (27/25)^9 with the octave, and gives ennealimmal a period of 1/9 octave. While 27/25 is a 5-limit interval, two periods equates to 7/6 because of identification by 4375/4374, and this represents 7/6 with such accuracy (a fifth of a cent flat) that there is no realistic possibility of treating ennealimmal as anything other than 7-limit. Its wedgie is &lt;&lt;18 27 18 1 -22 -34||.<br /> | ||
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Aside from 10/9 which has already been mentioned, possible generators include 36/35, 21/20, 6/5, 7/5 and the neutral thirds pair 49/40 and 60/49, all of which have their own interesting advantages. Possible tunings are 441, 612, or 3600 equal, though its hardly likely anyone could tell the difference.<br /> | Aside from 10/9 which has already been mentioned, possible generators include 36/35, 21/20, 6/5, 7/5 and the neutral thirds pair 49/40 and 60/49, all of which have their own interesting advantages. Possible tunings are 441, 612, or 3600 equal, though its hardly likely anyone could tell the difference.<br /> | ||
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The generator for supermajor is a supermajor third, 9/7, tuned about 0.0002 cents flat. 37 of these give (2^15)/3, 46 give (2^19)/5, and 75 give (2^30)/7, leading to a wedgie of &lt;&lt;37 46 75 -13 15 45||. This is clearly quite a complex temperament; it makes up for it, to the extent it does, with extreme accuracy: 1106 or 1277 can be used as tunings, leading to accuracy even greater | The generator for supermajor is a supermajor third, 9/7, tuned about 0.0002 cents flat. 37 of these give (2^15)/3, 46 give (2^19)/5, and 75 give (2^30)/7, leading to a wedgie of &lt;&lt;37 46 75 -13 15 45||. This is clearly quite a complex temperament; it makes up for it, to the extent it does, with extreme accuracy: 1106 or 1277 can be used as tunings, leading to accuracy even greater than that of ennealimmal. The 80 note MOS is presumably the place to start, and if that isn't enough notes for you, there's always the 171 note MOS.<br /> | ||
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Enndedecal temperament tempers out the enneadeca, |-14 -19 19&gt;, and as a consequence has a period of 1/19 octave. This is because the enneadeca is the amount by which nineteen just minor thirds fall short of an octave. If to this we add 4375/4374 we get the 7-limit temperament we are considering here, but note should be taken of the fact that it makes for a reasonable 5-limit microtemperament also, where the generator can be 25/24, 27/25, 10/9, 5/4 or 3/2. To this we may add possible 7-limit generators such as 225/224, 15/14 or 9/7. <a class="wiki_link" href="/171edo">171edo</a> is a good tuning for either the 5 or 7 limits, and <a class="wiki_link" href="/494edo">494edo</a> shows how to extend the temperament to the 11 or 13 limit, where it is accurate but very complex. Fans of near-perfect fifths may want to use <a class="wiki_link" href="/665edo">665edo</a> for a tuning.</body></html></pre></div> | Enndedecal temperament tempers out the enneadeca, |-14 -19 19&gt;, and as a consequence has a period of 1/19 octave. This is because the enneadeca is the amount by which nineteen just minor thirds fall short of an octave. If to this we add 4375/4374 we get the 7-limit temperament we are considering here, but note should be taken of the fact that it makes for a reasonable 5-limit microtemperament also, where the generator can be 25/24, 27/25, 10/9, 5/4 or 3/2. To this we may add possible 7-limit generators such as 225/224, 15/14 or 9/7. Since enneadecal tempers out 703125/702464, the amount by which 81/80 falls short of three stacked 225/224, we can equate the 225/224 generator with (81/80)^(1/3). This is the interval needed to adjust the 1/3 comma meantone flat fifths and major thirds of <a class="wiki_link" href="/19edo">19edo</a> up to just ones. <a class="wiki_link" href="/171edo">171edo</a> is a good tuning for either the 5 or 7 limits, and <a class="wiki_link" href="/494edo">494edo</a> shows how to extend the temperament to the 11 or 13 limit, where it is accurate but very complex. Fans of near-perfect fifths may want to use <a class="wiki_link" href="/665edo">665edo</a> for a tuning.</body></html></pre></div> | ||