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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">**Pergen** (pronounced "peer-gen") names are a way of identifying rank-2 and rank-3 regular temperaments by their periods and generators. They are somewhat JI-agnostic in that they don't use higher primes. Rank-2 names only refer to the first two primes in the prime subgroup, and rank-3 names only refer to the first three primes.
<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">**Pergen** (pronounced "peer-gen") sets are a way of identifying rank-2 and rank-3 regular temperaments by their periods and generators. They are somewhat JI-agnostic in that they don't use higher primes. Rank-2 names only use the first two primes in the prime subgroup, and rank-3 names only use the first three primes.


If a rank-2 temperament uses the primes 2 and 3 in its comma(s), then the period can be expressed as the octave 2/1, or some fraction of an octave. The generator can be expressed as a 3-limit interval, or some fraction of one. The fraction is always of the form 1/N, in other words, the octave or the 3-limit interval is **split** into N parts. A 3-limit interval which is split into multiple generators is called a **multi-gen**.
If a rank-2 temperament uses the primes 2 and 3 in its comma(s), then the period can be expressed as the octave 2/1, or some fraction of an octave. The generator can be expressed as a 3-limit interval, or some fraction of one. The fraction is always of the form 1/N, in other words, the octave or the 3-limit interval is **split** into N parts. A 3-limit interval which is split into multiple generators is called a **multi-gen**.


For example,the srutal temperament splits the octave in two, and its pergen name is half-octave. The name is written {P8/2, P5}. Curly brackets are used because the name is a set of intervals. The dicot temperament splits the fifth in two, and is called half-fifth, written {P8, P5/2}. Porcupine is third-fourth, etc. Semaphore, which means "semi-fourth", is already sort of a pergen name.  
For example,the srutal temperament splits the octave in two, and its pergen name is half-octave. The name is written {P8/2, P5}. Curly brackets are used because the name is a set of intervals. The dicot temperament splits the fifth in two, and is called half-fifth, written {P8, P5/2}. Porcupine is third-fourth, {P8, P4/3}. Semaphore, which means "semi-fourth", is of course {P8, P4/2}.


In a sense, pergen names are categories, because many temperaments will have the same pergen name. This has the advantage of reducing the hundreds (thousands?) of temperament names to perhaps a few dozen categories. It also focuses on the melodic properties of the temperament.
Many temperaments will share the same pergen set. This has the advantage of reducing the hundreds (thousands?) of temperament names to perhaps a few dozen categories. It focuses on the melodic properties of the temperament, not the harmonic properties. Both srutal and injera sound the same, although they temper out different commas.


The largest category contains all commas of the form 2&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;x &lt;/span&gt;3&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;y &lt;/span&gt;P or 2&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;x &lt;/span&gt;3&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;y &lt;/span&gt;P&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;-1&lt;/span&gt;, where P is a prime (e.g. 81/80 or 64/63). The period is the octave, and the generator is the fifth. Such temperaments are called fifth-based. The 4th is also a generator, and in fact every temperament has at least one alternate generator. To avoid ambiguity, the generator and the multi-gen are chosen to minimize the amount of splitting of the multi-gen, and as a tie-breaker, to minimize the size in cents of the multi-gen. There is only one exception to this rule: the fifth is preferred over the fourth, to follow historical precedent.  
The largest category contains all commas of the form 2&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;x &lt;/span&gt;3&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;y &lt;/span&gt;P or 2&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;x &lt;/span&gt;3&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;y &lt;/span&gt;P&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;-1&lt;/span&gt;, where P is a prime (e.g. 81/80 or 64/63). The period is the octave, and the generator is the fifth. Such temperaments are called fifth-based.
 
Every temperament has at least one alternate generator. To avoid ambiguity, the generator is chosen to minimize the amount of splitting of the multi-gen, and as a tie-breaker, to minimize the size in cents of the multi-gen. There is only one exception to this rule: the fifth is preferred over the fourth, to follow historical precedent.


For example, srutal could be {P8/2, M2/2}, but P5 is preferred because it is unsplit. Or it could be {P8/2, P12}, but P5 is preferred because it is smaller. Or it could be {P8/2, P4}, but P5 is always preferred over P4. Note that P5/2 is __not__ preferred over P4/2. For example, decimal is {P8/2, P4/2}, not {P8/2, P5/2}.
For example, srutal could be {P8/2, M2/2}, but P5 is preferred because it is unsplit. Or it could be {P8/2, P12}, but P5 is preferred because it is smaller. Or it could be {P8/2, P4}, but P5 is always preferred over P4. Note that P5/2 is __not__ preferred over P4/2. For example, decimal is {P8/2, P4/2}, not {P8/2, P5/2}.


||||~ pergen name ||||||||~ examples ||
||||~ pergen name ||||||||~ example temperaments ||
||~ written ||~ spoken ||~ comma(s) ||~ name ||||~ color name ||
||~ written ||~ spoken ||~ comma(s) ||~ name ||||~ color name ||
||= {P8, P5} ||= fifth-based ||= 81/80 ||= meantone ||= green ||= gT ||
||= {P8, P5} ||= fifth-based ||= 81/80 ||= meantone ||= green ||= gT ||
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For the 2.3... prime subgroup, the color names indicate the amount of splitting: deep splits something into two parts, triple into three parts, etc.
For the 2.3... prime subgroup, the color names indicate the amount of splitting: deep splits something into two parts, triple into three parts, etc.


For quadruple colors, the 3-limit multi-gen may be the major 2nd 9/8. For hextuple, it may be the minor 3rd 32/27. These intervals may also be voiced wider, as 3/1, 9/4, etc. To avoid cumbersome degree names like 16th or 18th, for degrees above 11, the widening is indicated with a "W". Thus 3/1 = WP5, 9/2 = WWM2, etc. Thus magic is {P8, WP5/5} = fifth-wide-fifth.
For quadruple colors, the 3-limit multi-gen may be the major 2nd 9/8. For example, large quadruple jade tempers out (-17,2,0,0,4), and is {P8/2, M2/4} = half-octave, quarter-tone (9/8 is a whole tone). For hextuple colors, the multi-gen may be the minor 3rd 32/27. These intervals may also be voiced wider, as 3/1, 9/4, etc. To avoid cumbersome degree names like 16th or 18th, for degrees above 11, the widening is indicated with a "W". Thus 3/1 = WP5, 9/2 = WWM2, etc. Thus magic is {P8, WP5/5} = fifth-wide-fifth.


For non-standard prime groups, the period uses the first prime only, and the multi-gen uses the first two primes only. [[Kite's color notation|Color notation ]]is used to indicate primes higher than 3. For example, 2.5.7 with 50/49 tempered out is {P8/2, y3} = half-octave, yellow-third.
For non-standard prime groups, the period uses the first prime only, and the multi-gen uses the first two primes only. [[Kite's color notation|Color notation ]]is used to indicate primes higher than 3. For example, 2.5.7 with 50/49 tempered out is {P8/2, y3} = half-octave, yellow-third.
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Rank-4 temperaments can be named similarly. Rank-1 temperaments could have pergen names, such as {P8/12} for 12-edo or {P12/13} for 13-ed3, but there's no particular reason to do so.</pre></div>
Rank-4 temperaments can be named similarly. Rank-1 temperaments could have pergen names, such as {P8/12} for 12-edo or {P12/13} for 13-ed3, but there's no particular reason to do so.</pre></div>
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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">&lt;html&gt;&lt;head&gt;&lt;title&gt;pergen names&lt;/title&gt;&lt;/head&gt;&lt;body&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Pergen&lt;/strong&gt; (pronounced &amp;quot;peer-gen&amp;quot;) names are a way of identifying rank-2 and rank-3 regular temperaments by their periods and generators. They are somewhat JI-agnostic in that they don't use higher primes. Rank-2 names only refer to the first two primes in the prime subgroup, and rank-3 names only refer to the first three primes.&lt;br /&gt;
<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">&lt;html&gt;&lt;head&gt;&lt;title&gt;pergen names&lt;/title&gt;&lt;/head&gt;&lt;body&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Pergen&lt;/strong&gt; (pronounced &amp;quot;peer-gen&amp;quot;) sets are a way of identifying rank-2 and rank-3 regular temperaments by their periods and generators. They are somewhat JI-agnostic in that they don't use higher primes. Rank-2 names only use the first two primes in the prime subgroup, and rank-3 names only use the first three primes.&lt;br /&gt;
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If a rank-2 temperament uses the primes 2 and 3 in its comma(s), then the period can be expressed as the octave 2/1, or some fraction of an octave. The generator can be expressed as a 3-limit interval, or some fraction of one. The fraction is always of the form 1/N, in other words, the octave or the 3-limit interval is &lt;strong&gt;split&lt;/strong&gt; into N parts. A 3-limit interval which is split into multiple generators is called a &lt;strong&gt;multi-gen&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
If a rank-2 temperament uses the primes 2 and 3 in its comma(s), then the period can be expressed as the octave 2/1, or some fraction of an octave. The generator can be expressed as a 3-limit interval, or some fraction of one. The fraction is always of the form 1/N, in other words, the octave or the 3-limit interval is &lt;strong&gt;split&lt;/strong&gt; into N parts. A 3-limit interval which is split into multiple generators is called a &lt;strong&gt;multi-gen&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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For example,the srutal temperament splits the octave in two, and its pergen name is half-octave. The name is written {P8/2, P5}. Curly brackets are used because the name is a set of intervals. The dicot temperament splits the fifth in two, and is called half-fifth, written {P8, P5/2}. Porcupine is third-fourth, etc. Semaphore, which means &amp;quot;semi-fourth&amp;quot;, is already sort of a pergen name. &lt;br /&gt;
For example,the srutal temperament splits the octave in two, and its pergen name is half-octave. The name is written {P8/2, P5}. Curly brackets are used because the name is a set of intervals. The dicot temperament splits the fifth in two, and is called half-fifth, written {P8, P5/2}. Porcupine is third-fourth, {P8, P4/3}. Semaphore, which means &amp;quot;semi-fourth&amp;quot;, is of course {P8, P4/2}.&lt;br /&gt;
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Many temperaments will share the same pergen set. This has the advantage of reducing the hundreds (thousands?) of temperament names to perhaps a few dozen categories. It focuses on the melodic properties of the temperament, not the harmonic properties. Both srutal and injera sound the same, although they temper out different commas.&lt;br /&gt;
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In a sense, pergen names are categories, because many temperaments will have the same pergen name. This has the advantage of reducing the hundreds (thousands?) of temperament names to perhaps a few dozen categories. It also focuses on the melodic properties of the temperament.&lt;br /&gt;
The largest category contains all commas of the form 2&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;x &lt;/span&gt;3&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;y &lt;/span&gt;P or 2&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;x &lt;/span&gt;3&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;y &lt;/span&gt;P&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;-1&lt;/span&gt;, where P is a prime (e.g. 81/80 or 64/63). The period is the octave, and the generator is the fifth. Such temperaments are called fifth-based.&lt;br /&gt;
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The largest category contains all commas of the form 2&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;x &lt;/span&gt;3&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;y &lt;/span&gt;P or 2&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;x &lt;/span&gt;3&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;y &lt;/span&gt;P&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;-1&lt;/span&gt;, where P is a prime (e.g. 81/80 or 64/63). The period is the octave, and the generator is the fifth. Such temperaments are called fifth-based. The 4th is also a generator, and in fact every temperament has at least one alternate generator. To avoid ambiguity, the generator and the multi-gen are chosen to minimize the amount of splitting of the multi-gen, and as a tie-breaker, to minimize the size in cents of the multi-gen. There is only one exception to this rule: the fifth is preferred over the fourth, to follow historical precedent. &lt;br /&gt;
Every temperament has at least one alternate generator. To avoid ambiguity, the generator is chosen to minimize the amount of splitting of the multi-gen, and as a tie-breaker, to minimize the size in cents of the multi-gen. There is only one exception to this rule: the fifth is preferred over the fourth, to follow historical precedent.&lt;br /&gt;
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For example, srutal could be {P8/2, M2/2}, but P5 is preferred because it is unsplit. Or it could be {P8/2, P12}, but P5 is preferred because it is smaller. Or it could be {P8/2, P4}, but P5 is always preferred over P4. Note that P5/2 is &lt;u&gt;not&lt;/u&gt; preferred over P4/2. For example, decimal is {P8/2, P4/2}, not {P8/2, P5/2}.&lt;br /&gt;
For example, srutal could be {P8/2, M2/2}, but P5 is preferred because it is unsplit. Or it could be {P8/2, P12}, but P5 is preferred because it is smaller. Or it could be {P8/2, P4}, but P5 is always preferred over P4. Note that P5/2 is &lt;u&gt;not&lt;/u&gt; preferred over P4/2. For example, decimal is {P8/2, P4/2}, not {P8/2, P5/2}.&lt;br /&gt;
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         &lt;th colspan="4"&gt;examples&lt;br /&gt;
         &lt;th colspan="4"&gt;example temperaments&lt;br /&gt;
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For the 2.3... prime subgroup, the color names indicate the amount of splitting: deep splits something into two parts, triple into three parts, etc.&lt;br /&gt;
For the 2.3... prime subgroup, the color names indicate the amount of splitting: deep splits something into two parts, triple into three parts, etc.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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For quadruple colors, the 3-limit multi-gen may be the major 2nd 9/8. For hextuple, it may be the minor 3rd 32/27. These intervals may also be voiced wider, as 3/1, 9/4, etc. To avoid cumbersome degree names like 16th or 18th, for degrees above 11, the widening is indicated with a &amp;quot;W&amp;quot;. Thus 3/1 = WP5, 9/2 = WWM2, etc. Thus magic is {P8, WP5/5} = fifth-wide-fifth.&lt;br /&gt;
For quadruple colors, the 3-limit multi-gen may be the major 2nd 9/8. For example, large quadruple jade tempers out (-17,2,0,0,4), and is {P8/2, M2/4} = half-octave, quarter-tone (9/8 is a whole tone). For hextuple colors, the multi-gen may be the minor 3rd 32/27. These intervals may also be voiced wider, as 3/1, 9/4, etc. To avoid cumbersome degree names like 16th or 18th, for degrees above 11, the widening is indicated with a &amp;quot;W&amp;quot;. Thus 3/1 = WP5, 9/2 = WWM2, etc. Thus magic is {P8, WP5/5} = fifth-wide-fifth.&lt;br /&gt;
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For non-standard prime groups, the period uses the first prime only, and the multi-gen uses the first two primes only. &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Kite%27s%20color%20notation"&gt;Color notation &lt;/a&gt;is used to indicate primes higher than 3. For example, 2.5.7 with 50/49 tempered out is {P8/2, y3} = half-octave, yellow-third.&lt;br /&gt;
For non-standard prime groups, the period uses the first prime only, and the multi-gen uses the first two primes only. &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Kite%27s%20color%20notation"&gt;Color notation &lt;/a&gt;is used to indicate primes higher than 3. For example, 2.5.7 with 50/49 tempered out is {P8/2, y3} = half-octave, yellow-third.&lt;br /&gt;