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If a rank-2 temperament uses the primes 2 and 3 in its comma(s), then the period can be expressed as the octave 2/1, or some fraction of an octave. The generator can be expressed as a 3-limit interval, or some fraction of one. The fraction is always of the form 1/N, in other words, the octave or the 3-limit interval is **split** into N parts. A 3-limit interval which is split into multiple generators is called a **multi-gen**. | If a rank-2 temperament uses the primes 2 and 3 in its comma(s), then the period can be expressed as the octave 2/1, or some fraction of an octave. The generator can be expressed as a 3-limit interval, or some fraction of one. The fraction is always of the form 1/N, in other words, the octave or the 3-limit interval is **split** into N parts. A 3-limit interval which is split into multiple generators is called a **multi-gen**. | ||
For example,the srutal temperament splits the octave in two, and | For example,the srutal temperament splits the octave in two, and is called half-octave. The set is written {P8/2, P5}. The dicot temperament splits the fifth in two, and is called half-fifth, written {P8, P5/2}. Porcupine is third-fourth, {P8, P4/3}. Semaphore, which means "semi-fourth", is of course {P8, P4/2}. | ||
Many temperaments will share the same pergen set. This has the advantage of reducing the hundreds (thousands?) of temperament names to perhaps a few dozen categories. It focuses on the melodic properties of the temperament, not the harmonic properties. Both srutal and injera sound the same, although they temper out different commas. | Many temperaments will share the same pergen set. This has the advantage of reducing the hundreds (thousands?) of temperament names to perhaps a few dozen categories. It focuses on the melodic properties of the temperament, not the harmonic properties. Both srutal and injera sound the same, although they temper out different commas. | ||
The largest category contains all commas of the form 2<span style="vertical-align: super;">x </span>3<span style="vertical-align: super;">y </span>P or 2<span style="vertical-align: super;">x </span>3<span style="vertical-align: super;">y </span>P<span style="vertical-align: super;">-1</span>, where P is a prime (e.g. 81/80 or 64/63). The period is the octave, and the generator is the fifth. Such temperaments are called fifth-based. | The largest category contains all commas of the form 2<span style="vertical-align: super;">x </span>3<span style="vertical-align: super;">y </span>P or 2<span style="vertical-align: super;">x </span>3<span style="vertical-align: super;">y </span>P<span style="vertical-align: super;">-1</span>, where P is a prime (e.g. 81/80 or 64/63). The period is the octave, and the generator is the fifth: {P8, P5}. Such temperaments are called fifth-based. | ||
Every temperament has at least one alternate generator. To avoid ambiguity, the generator is chosen to minimize the amount of splitting of the multi-gen, and as a tie-breaker, to minimize the size in cents of the multi-gen. There is only one exception to this rule: the fifth is preferred over the fourth, to follow historical precedent. | Every temperament has at least one alternate generator. More, if the octave is split. To avoid ambiguity, the generator is chosen to minimize the amount of splitting of the multi-gen, and as a tie-breaker, to minimize the size in cents of the multi-gen. There is only one exception to this rule: the fifth is preferred over the fourth, to follow historical precedent. | ||
For example, srutal could be {P8/2, M2/2}, but P5 is preferred because it is unsplit. Or it could be {P8/2, P12}, but P5 is preferred because it is smaller. Or it could be {P8/2, P4}, but P5 is always preferred over P4. Note that P5/2 is __not__ preferred over P4/2. For example, decimal is {P8/2, P4/2}, not {P8/2, P5/2}. | For example, srutal could be {P8/2, M2/2}, but P5 is preferred because it is unsplit. Or it could be {P8/2, P12}, but P5 is preferred because it is smaller. Or it could be {P8/2, P4}, but P5 is always preferred over P4. Note that P5/2 is __not__ preferred over P4/2. For example, decimal is {P8/2, P4/2}, not {P8/2, P5/2}. | ||
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||= {P8/2, P4/2} ||= half-octave, half-fourth ||= 25/24 & 49/48 ||= decimal ||= deep yellow and deep blue ||= yy&bbT || | ||= {P8/2, P4/2} ||= half-octave, half-fourth ||= 25/24 & 49/48 ||= decimal ||= deep yellow and deep blue ||= yy&bbT || | ||
||= {P8/4, P5} ||= quarter-octave ||= (3,4,-4) ||= diminished ||= quadruple green ||= g<span style="vertical-align: super;">4</span>T || | ||= {P8/4, P5} ||= quarter-octave ||= (3,4,-4) ||= diminished ||= quadruple green ||= g<span style="vertical-align: super;">4</span>T || | ||
For the 2.3... prime subgroup, the color names indicate the amount of splitting: deep splits something into two parts, triple into three parts, etc. | For the 2.3... prime subgroup, the color names indicate the amount of splitting: deep splits something into two parts, triple into three parts, etc. For quadruple colors, the 3-limit multi-gen may be the major 2nd 9/8. For example, large quadruple jade tempers out (-17,2,0,0,4), and is {P8/2, M2/4} = half-octave, quarter-tone (9/8 is a whole tone). For hextuple colors, the multi-gen may be the minor 3rd 32/27. These intervals may also be voiced wider, as 3/1, 9/4, etc. To avoid cumbersome degree names like 16th or 18th, for degrees above 11, the widening is indicated with a "W". Thus 3/1 = WP5, 9/2 = WWM2, etc. Thus magic is {P8, WP5/5} = fifth-wide-fifth. | ||
For quadruple colors, the 3-limit multi-gen may be the major 2nd 9/8. For example, large quadruple jade tempers out (-17,2,0,0,4), and is {P8/2, M2/4} = half-octave, quarter-tone (9/8 is a whole tone). For hextuple colors, the multi-gen may be the minor 3rd 32/27. These intervals may also be voiced wider, as 3/1, 9/4, etc. To avoid cumbersome degree names like 16th or 18th, for degrees above 11, the widening is indicated with a "W". Thus 3/1 = WP5, 9/2 = WWM2, etc. Thus magic is {P8, WP5/5} = fifth-wide-fifth. | |||
For non-standard prime groups, the period uses the first prime only, and the multi-gen uses the first two primes only. [[Kite's color notation|Color notation ]]is used to indicate primes higher than 3. For example, 2.5.7 with 50/49 tempered out is {P8/2, y3} = half-octave, yellow-third. | For non-standard prime groups, the period uses the first prime only, and the multi-gen uses the first two primes only. [[Kite's color notation|Color notation ]]is used to indicate primes higher than 3. For example, 2.5.7 with 50/49 tempered out is {P8/2, y3} = half-octave, yellow-third. | ||
Rank-3 pergen sets have three intervals, any of which may be split. The unsplit 2.3.5... subgroup is {P8, P5, y3} = fifth-and-third-based. 2.3.5.7 with 50/49 tempered out is {P8/2, P5, y3}. | Rank-3 pergen sets have three intervals, any of which may be split. The unsplit 2.3.5... subgroup is {P8, P5, y3} = fifth-and-third-based. 2.3.5.7 with 50/49 tempered out is {P8/2, P5, y3} = half-octave fifth-and-third. | ||
Rank-4 temperaments have pergen sets of four intervals. Rank-1 temperaments could have pergen sets of one, such as {P8/12} for 12-edo or {P12/13} for 13-ed3, but there's no particular reason to do so. | Rank-4 temperaments have pergen sets of four intervals. Rank-1 temperaments could have pergen sets of one, such as {P8/12} for 12-edo or {P12/13} for 13-ed3, but there's no particular reason to do so. | ||
To find a temperament's pergen set, first find the PGM, the period generator mapping. This is a matrix with a column for each prime in the subgroup, and a row for each generator, counting the period as a special type of generator. Choose your generators so that all entries below the diagonal are zero. | To find a temperament's pergen set, first find the PGM, the period generator mapping. This is a matrix with a column for each prime in the subgroup, and a row for each generator, counting the period as a special type of generator. Choose your generators so that all entries below the diagonal are zero. You can use x31.com's temperament finder to find this matrix. Next make a square matrix by discarding columns for the higher primes. Then invert the matrix to get the monzos for each generator. Add/subtract periods from the generator to get alternate generators. Add/subtract both periods and generators from the 2nd generator to get more alternates. Choose the alternates to minimize the splitting and the cents. | ||
Example: 2.3.5.7 with 2401/2400 = (-5,-1,-2,4) tempered out. x31.com gives us this matrix: | Example: 2.3.5.7 with 2401/2400 = (-5,-1,-2,4) tempered out. x31.com gives us this matrix: | ||
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Thus the period = (4, 0, 0)/4 = (1, 0, 0) = 2/1, gen1 = (-2, 2, 0)/4 = (-1, 1, 0)/2 = P5/2, and gen2 = (-1, -1, 2)/4 = [25/6]/4. | Thus the period = (4, 0, 0)/4 = (1, 0, 0) = 2/1, gen1 = (-2, 2, 0)/4 = (-1, 1, 0)/2 = P5/2, and gen2 = (-1, -1, 2)/4 = [25/6]/4. | ||
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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html"><html><head><title>pergen names</title></head><body><strong>Pergen</strong> (pronounced &quot;peer-gen&quot;) sets are a way of identifying rank-2 and rank-3 regular temperaments by their periods and generators. They are somewhat JI-agnostic in that they don't use higher primes. Rank-2 names only use the first two primes in the prime subgroup, and rank-3 names only use the first three primes.<br /> | <div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html"><html><head><title>pergen names</title></head><body><strong>Pergen</strong> (pronounced &quot;peer-gen&quot;) sets are a way of identifying rank-2 and rank-3 regular temperaments by their periods and generators. They are somewhat JI-agnostic in that they don't use higher primes. Rank-2 names only use the first two primes in the prime subgroup, and rank-3 names only use the first three primes.<br /> | ||
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If a rank-2 temperament uses the primes 2 and 3 in its comma(s), then the period can be expressed as the octave 2/1, or some fraction of an octave. The generator can be expressed as a 3-limit interval, or some fraction of one. The fraction is always of the form 1/N, in other words, the octave or the 3-limit interval is <strong>split</strong> into N parts. A 3-limit interval which is split into multiple generators is called a <strong>multi-gen</strong>.<br /> | If a rank-2 temperament uses the primes 2 and 3 in its comma(s), then the period can be expressed as the octave 2/1, or some fraction of an octave. The generator can be expressed as a 3-limit interval, or some fraction of one. The fraction is always of the form 1/N, in other words, the octave or the 3-limit interval is <strong>split</strong> into N parts. A 3-limit interval which is split into multiple generators is called a <strong>multi-gen</strong>.<br /> | ||
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For example,the srutal temperament splits the octave in two, and | For example,the srutal temperament splits the octave in two, and is called half-octave. The set is written {P8/2, P5}. The dicot temperament splits the fifth in two, and is called half-fifth, written {P8, P5/2}. Porcupine is third-fourth, {P8, P4/3}. Semaphore, which means &quot;semi-fourth&quot;, is of course {P8, P4/2}.<br /> | ||
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Many temperaments will share the same pergen set. This has the advantage of reducing the hundreds (thousands?) of temperament names to perhaps a few dozen categories. It focuses on the melodic properties of the temperament, not the harmonic properties. Both srutal and injera sound the same, although they temper out different commas.<br /> | Many temperaments will share the same pergen set. This has the advantage of reducing the hundreds (thousands?) of temperament names to perhaps a few dozen categories. It focuses on the melodic properties of the temperament, not the harmonic properties. Both srutal and injera sound the same, although they temper out different commas.<br /> | ||
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The largest category contains all commas of the form 2<span style="vertical-align: super;">x </span>3<span style="vertical-align: super;">y </span>P or 2<span style="vertical-align: super;">x </span>3<span style="vertical-align: super;">y </span>P<span style="vertical-align: super;">-1</span>, where P is a prime (e.g. 81/80 or 64/63). The period is the octave, and the generator is the fifth. Such temperaments are called fifth-based.<br /> | The largest category contains all commas of the form 2<span style="vertical-align: super;">x </span>3<span style="vertical-align: super;">y </span>P or 2<span style="vertical-align: super;">x </span>3<span style="vertical-align: super;">y </span>P<span style="vertical-align: super;">-1</span>, where P is a prime (e.g. 81/80 or 64/63). The period is the octave, and the generator is the fifth: {P8, P5}. Such temperaments are called fifth-based.<br /> | ||
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Every temperament has at least one alternate generator. To avoid ambiguity, the generator is chosen to minimize the amount of splitting of the multi-gen, and as a tie-breaker, to minimize the size in cents of the multi-gen. There is only one exception to this rule: the fifth is preferred over the fourth, to follow historical precedent.<br /> | Every temperament has at least one alternate generator. More, if the octave is split. To avoid ambiguity, the generator is chosen to minimize the amount of splitting of the multi-gen, and as a tie-breaker, to minimize the size in cents of the multi-gen. There is only one exception to this rule: the fifth is preferred over the fourth, to follow historical precedent.<br /> | ||
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For example, srutal could be {P8/2, M2/2}, but P5 is preferred because it is unsplit. Or it could be {P8/2, P12}, but P5 is preferred because it is smaller. Or it could be {P8/2, P4}, but P5 is always preferred over P4. Note that P5/2 is <u>not</u> preferred over P4/2. For example, decimal is {P8/2, P4/2}, not {P8/2, P5/2}.<br /> | For example, srutal could be {P8/2, M2/2}, but P5 is preferred because it is unsplit. Or it could be {P8/2, P12}, but P5 is preferred because it is smaller. Or it could be {P8/2, P4}, but P5 is always preferred over P4. Note that P5/2 is <u>not</u> preferred over P4/2. For example, decimal is {P8/2, P4/2}, not {P8/2, P5/2}.<br /> | ||
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For the 2.3... prime subgroup, the color names indicate the amount of splitting: deep splits something into two parts, triple into three parts, etc. | For the 2.3... prime subgroup, the color names indicate the amount of splitting: deep splits something into two parts, triple into three parts, etc. For quadruple colors, the 3-limit multi-gen may be the major 2nd 9/8. For example, large quadruple jade tempers out (-17,2,0,0,4), and is {P8/2, M2/4} = half-octave, quarter-tone (9/8 is a whole tone). For hextuple colors, the multi-gen may be the minor 3rd 32/27. These intervals may also be voiced wider, as 3/1, 9/4, etc. To avoid cumbersome degree names like 16th or 18th, for degrees above 11, the widening is indicated with a &quot;W&quot;. Thus 3/1 = WP5, 9/2 = WWM2, etc. Thus magic is {P8, WP5/5} = fifth-wide-fifth.<br /> | ||
For quadruple colors, the 3-limit multi-gen may be the major 2nd 9/8. For example, large quadruple jade tempers out (-17,2,0,0,4), and is {P8/2, M2/4} = half-octave, quarter-tone (9/8 is a whole tone). For hextuple colors, the multi-gen may be the minor 3rd 32/27. These intervals may also be voiced wider, as 3/1, 9/4, etc. To avoid cumbersome degree names like 16th or 18th, for degrees above 11, the widening is indicated with a &quot;W&quot;. Thus 3/1 = WP5, 9/2 = WWM2, etc. Thus magic is {P8, WP5/5} = fifth-wide-fifth.<br /> | |||
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For non-standard prime groups, the period uses the first prime only, and the multi-gen uses the first two primes only. <a class="wiki_link" href="/Kite%27s%20color%20notation">Color notation </a>is used to indicate primes higher than 3. For example, 2.5.7 with 50/49 tempered out is {P8/2, y3} = half-octave, yellow-third.<br /> | For non-standard prime groups, the period uses the first prime only, and the multi-gen uses the first two primes only. <a class="wiki_link" href="/Kite%27s%20color%20notation">Color notation </a>is used to indicate primes higher than 3. For example, 2.5.7 with 50/49 tempered out is {P8/2, y3} = half-octave, yellow-third.<br /> | ||
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Rank-3 pergen sets have three intervals, any of which may be split. The unsplit 2.3.5... subgroup is {P8, P5, y3} = fifth-and-third-based. 2.3.5.7 with 50/49 tempered out is {P8/2, P5, y3}.<br /> | Rank-3 pergen sets have three intervals, any of which may be split. The unsplit 2.3.5... subgroup is {P8, P5, y3} = fifth-and-third-based. 2.3.5.7 with 50/49 tempered out is {P8/2, P5, y3} = half-octave fifth-and-third.<br /> | ||
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Rank-4 temperaments have pergen sets of four intervals. Rank-1 temperaments could have pergen sets of one, such as {P8/12} for 12-edo or {P12/13} for 13-ed3, but there's no particular reason to do so.<br /> | Rank-4 temperaments have pergen sets of four intervals. Rank-1 temperaments could have pergen sets of one, such as {P8/12} for 12-edo or {P12/13} for 13-ed3, but there's no particular reason to do so.<br /> | ||
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To find a temperament's pergen set, first find the PGM, the period generator mapping. This is a matrix with a column for each prime in the subgroup, and a row for each generator, counting the period as a special type of generator. Choose your generators so that all entries below the diagonal are zero. | To find a temperament's pergen set, first find the PGM, the period generator mapping. This is a matrix with a column for each prime in the subgroup, and a row for each generator, counting the period as a special type of generator. Choose your generators so that all entries below the diagonal are zero. You can use x31.com's temperament finder to find this matrix. Next make a square matrix by discarding columns for the higher primes. Then invert the matrix to get the monzos for each generator. Add/subtract periods from the generator to get alternate generators. Add/subtract both periods and generators from the 2nd generator to get more alternates. Choose the alternates to minimize the splitting and the cents.<br /> | ||
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Example: 2.3.5.7 with 2401/2400 = (-5,-1,-2,4) tempered out. x31.com gives us this matrix:<br /> | Example: 2.3.5.7 with 2401/2400 = (-5,-1,-2,4) tempered out. x31.com gives us this matrix:<br /> | ||
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Thus the period = (4, 0, 0)/4 = (1, 0, 0) = 2/1, gen1 = (-2, 2, 0)/4 = (-1, 1, 0)/2 = P5/2, and gen2 = (-1, -1, 2)/4 = [25/6]/4.<br /> | Thus the period = (4, 0, 0)/4 = (1, 0, 0) = 2/1, gen1 = (-2, 2, 0)/4 = (-1, 1, 0)/2 = P5/2, and gen2 = (-1, -1, 2)/4 = [25/6]/4.<br /> | ||
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