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More remote intervals include A1, d4, d7 and d10. These require a very long genchain. The most interesting melodically is A1: C - C^ - C#v - C#. From C to C# is 7 5ths, which equals 21 generators, so the genchain would contain 22 notes if it had no gaps. | More remote intervals include A1, d4, d7 and d10. These require a very long genchain. The most interesting melodically is A1: C - C^ - C#v - C#. From C to C# is 7 5ths, which equals 21 generators, so the genchain would contain 22 notes if it had no gaps. | ||
For a pergen (P8, (a,b)/n), any interval generated by n octaves and the multigen splits into at least n parts. For a pergen (P8/m, P5), any interval generated by the octave and m 5ths splits into at least m parts. Thus any naturally | For a pergen (P8, (a,b)/n), any interval generated by n octaves and the multigen splits into at least n parts. For a pergen (P8/m, P5), any interval generated by the octave and m 5ths splits into at least m parts. Thus any naturally occurring split of m parts occurs in all voicings of that interval. For example, M9 naturally splits into two 5ths, therefore (P8/2, P5) splits all voicings of M9, including M2. | ||
Given a pergen (P8/m, (a,b)/n), an interval (a',b') splits into GCD ((a'·b - a·b')·m/b, b'·n/b) parts (proof [[pergen#Further%20Discussion-Various%20proofs|below]]). For an unsplit pergen, we have the naturally | Given a pergen (P8/m, (a,b)/n), an interval (a',b') splits into GCD ((a'·b - a·b')·m/b, b'·n/b) parts (proof [[pergen#Further%20Discussion-Various%20proofs|below]]). For an unsplit pergen, we have the naturally occurring split of GCD (a', b'). If n = 1, we have GCD (a'·m, b'). If m = n (an nth-everything pergen), we have n·GCD (a',b'). If the enharmonic is an A1, every interval with a degree of n+1 will be split. Thus half-5th splits every 3rd, 5th, 7th , 9th, etc. in half. "Every" means every quality, so 3rd includes d3, m3, M3 and A3, 5th includes P5, A5 and d5, etc. | ||
The following table shows the secondary splits for all pergens up to the third-splits. A split interval is only included if it falls in the range from d5 to A5 on the genchain of 5ths, others are too remote. For convenience, naturally | The following table shows the secondary splits for all pergens up to the third-splits. A split interval is only included if it falls in the range from d5 to A5 on the genchain of 5ths, others are too remote. For convenience, naturally occurring splits are listed too, under "all pergens". (P8/3, P4/2) has all the secondary splits that (P8/3, P5) and (P8, P4/2) have, plus additional ones. | ||
||||~ pergen ||~ secondary splits of a 12th or less || | ||||~ pergen ||~ secondary splits of a 12th or less || | ||
||||= all pergens ||= M3/2, A4/3, d5/2, A5/4, m7/2, M9/2, m10/3, A11/2 || | ||||= all pergens ||= M3/2, A4/3, d5/2, A5/4, m7/2, M9/2, m10/3, A11/2 || | ||
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||= (P8, P5/3) ||= third-5th ||= m2/3, m6/3, M9/6, A8/3, A12/3 || | ||= (P8, P5/3) ||= third-5th ||= m2/3, m6/3, M9/6, A8/3, A12/3 || | ||
||= (P8, P11/3) ||= third-11th ||= M2/3, M3/6, A4/9, A5/12, m9/3, P12/3 || | ||= (P8, P11/3) ||= third-11th ||= M2/3, M3/6, A4/9, A5/12, m9/3, P12/3 || | ||
||= (P8/3, P4/2) ||= third-8ve half-4th ||= third-8ve | ||= (P8/3, P4/2) ||= third-8ve half-4th ||= third-8ve splits, half-4th splits, M6/6, m10/6, A11/12 || | ||
||= (P8/3, P5/2) ||= third-8ve half-5th ||= third-8ve | ||= (P8/3, P5/2) ||= third-8ve half-5th ||= third-8ve splits, half-5th splits, m3/6, d5/12 || | ||
||= (P8/2, P4/3) ||= half-8ve third-4th ||= half-8ve | ||= (P8/2, P4/3) ||= half-8ve third-4th ||= half-8ve splits, third-4th splits, A4/6, M10/6 || | ||
||= (P8/2, P5/3) ||= half-8ve third-5th ||= half-8ve | ||= (P8/2, P5/3) ||= half-8ve third-5th ||= half-8ve splits, third-5th splits, m6/6, M9/6, A12/6 || | ||
||= (P8/2, P11/3) ||= half-8ve third-11th ||= half-8ve | ||= (P8/2, P11/3) ||= half-8ve third-11th ||= half-8ve splits, third-11th splits, M2/6, M3/12, A4/18, A5/24 || | ||
||= (P83, P4/3) ||= third-everything ||= (every 3-limit interval)/3 || | ||= (P83, P4/3) ||= third-everything ||= (every 3-limit interval)/3 || | ||
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add a mapping commas section somewhere? | add a mapping commas section somewhere? | ||
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link from: ups and downs page, Kite Giedraitis page, MOS scale names page, is there a rank-2 page? | |||
===Notaion guide PDF=== | ===Notaion guide PDF=== | ||
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More remote intervals include A1, d4, d7 and d10. These require a very long genchain. The most interesting melodically is A1: C - C^ - C#v - C#. From C to C# is 7 5ths, which equals 21 generators, so the genchain would contain 22 notes if it had no gaps.<br /> | More remote intervals include A1, d4, d7 and d10. These require a very long genchain. The most interesting melodically is A1: C - C^ - C#v - C#. From C to C# is 7 5ths, which equals 21 generators, so the genchain would contain 22 notes if it had no gaps.<br /> | ||
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For a pergen (P8, (a,b)/n), any interval generated by n octaves and the multigen splits into at least n parts. For a pergen (P8/m, P5), any interval generated by the octave and m 5ths splits into at least m parts. Thus any naturally | For a pergen (P8, (a,b)/n), any interval generated by n octaves and the multigen splits into at least n parts. For a pergen (P8/m, P5), any interval generated by the octave and m 5ths splits into at least m parts. Thus any naturally occurring split of m parts occurs in all voicings of that interval. For example, M9 naturally splits into two 5ths, therefore (P8/2, P5) splits all voicings of M9, including M2.<br /> | ||
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Given a pergen (P8/m, (a,b)/n), an interval (a',b') splits into GCD ((a'·b - a·b')·m/b, b'·n/b) parts (proof <a class="wiki_link" href="/pergen#Further%20Discussion-Various%20proofs">below</a>). For an unsplit pergen, we have the naturally | Given a pergen (P8/m, (a,b)/n), an interval (a',b') splits into GCD ((a'·b - a·b')·m/b, b'·n/b) parts (proof <a class="wiki_link" href="/pergen#Further%20Discussion-Various%20proofs">below</a>). For an unsplit pergen, we have the naturally occurring split of GCD (a', b'). If n = 1, we have GCD (a'·m, b'). If m = n (an nth-everything pergen), we have n·GCD (a',b'). If the enharmonic is an A1, every interval with a degree of n+1 will be split. Thus half-5th splits every 3rd, 5th, 7th , 9th, etc. in half. &quot;Every&quot; means every quality, so 3rd includes d3, m3, M3 and A3, 5th includes P5, A5 and d5, etc.<br /> | ||
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The following table shows the secondary splits for all pergens up to the third-splits. A split interval is only included if it falls in the range from d5 to A5 on the genchain of 5ths, others are too remote. For convenience, naturally | The following table shows the secondary splits for all pergens up to the third-splits. A split interval is only included if it falls in the range from d5 to A5 on the genchain of 5ths, others are too remote. For convenience, naturally occurring splits are listed too, under &quot;all pergens&quot;. (P8/3, P4/2) has all the secondary splits that (P8/3, P5) and (P8, P4/2) have, plus additional ones.<br /> | ||
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<td style="text-align: center;">third-8ve half-4th<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">third-8ve half-4th<br /> | ||
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<td style="text-align: center;">third-8ve | <td style="text-align: center;">third-8ve splits, half-4th splits, M6/6, m10/6, A11/12<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
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<td style="text-align: center;">third-8ve half-5th<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">third-8ve half-5th<br /> | ||
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<td style="text-align: center;">third-8ve | <td style="text-align: center;">third-8ve splits, half-5th splits, m3/6, d5/12<br /> | ||
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<td style="text-align: center;">half-8ve third-4th<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">half-8ve third-4th<br /> | ||
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<td style="text-align: center;">half-8ve | <td style="text-align: center;">half-8ve splits, third-4th splits, A4/6, M10/6<br /> | ||
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<td style="text-align: center;">half-8ve third-5th<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">half-8ve third-5th<br /> | ||
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<td style="text-align: center;">half-8ve | <td style="text-align: center;">half-8ve splits, third-5th splits, m6/6, M9/6, A12/6<br /> | ||
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<td style="text-align: center;">half-8ve third-11th<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">half-8ve third-11th<br /> | ||
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<td style="text-align: center;">half-8ve | <td style="text-align: center;">half-8ve splits, third-11th splits, M2/6, M3/12, A4/18, A5/24<br /> | ||
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fill in the 2nd pergens column above<br /> | fill in the 2nd pergens column above<br /> | ||
add a mapping commas section somewhere?<br /> | add a mapping commas section somewhere?<br /> | ||
finish proofs<br /> | |||
link from: ups and downs page, Kite Giedraitis page, MOS scale names page, is there a rank-2 page?<br /> | |||
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This PDF is a rank-2 notation guide that shows the full lattice for the first 15 pergens, up through the third-splits block. It includes alternate enharmonics for many pergens.<br /> | This PDF is a rank-2 notation guide that shows the full lattice for the first 15 pergens, up through the third-splits block. It includes alternate enharmonics for many pergens.<br /> | ||
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Alt-pergenLister lists out thousands of pergens, and suggests periods, generators and enharmonics for each one. Alternate enharmonics are not listed, but single-pair notation for false-double pergens is. It can also list only those pergens supported by a specific edo. Written in Jesusonic, runs inside Reaper.<br /> | Alt-pergenLister lists out thousands of pergens, and suggests periods, generators and enharmonics for each one. Alternate enharmonics are not listed, but single-pair notation for false-double pergens is. It can also list only those pergens supported by a specific edo. Written in Jesusonic, runs inside Reaper.<br /> | ||
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Screenshot of the first 38 pergens:<br /> | Screenshot of the first 38 pergens:<br /> |