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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">=Peppermint 24= | <div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">=Peppermint 24= | ||
[[http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning/message/40057|Original article]] by Margo Schulter, on the Yahoo tuning forum, is quoted | [[http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning/message/40057|Original article]] by Margo Schulter, on the Yahoo tuning forum, is quoted below. In addition to what it says, it may be noted that the Wilson/Pepper fifth it mentions, of size approximately 704.096 cents, has a precise value of (67 + sqrt(5))/118 octaves, which is (40200 + 600 sqrt(5))/59 cents. | ||
An interesting feature of tuning systems, as implemented on keyboards | =Margo Schulter's article= | ||
(conventional or alternative), is the [[keyboard mappings|mapping]] of pure or tempered | An interesting feature of tuning systems, as implemented on keyboards (conventional or alternative), is the [[keyboard mappings|mapping]] of pure or tempered ratios to positions on the keyboard layout. | ||
ratios to positions on the keyboard layout. | |||
Here I shall explore the mapping of approximate ratios, and especially | Here I shall explore the mapping of approximate ratios, and especially of superparticular and other ratios within [[Harry Partch]]'s larger 17-limit set, in the tuning system and keyboard arrangement I call Peppermint 24. | ||
of superparticular and other ratios within [[Harry Partch]]'s larger | |||
17-limit set, in the tuning system and keyboard arrangement I call | |||
Peppermint 24. | |||
Peppermint 24 takes as its basis a [[Regular Temperaments|regular temperament]] mentioned in | Peppermint 24 takes as its basis a [[Regular Temperaments|regular temperament]] mentioned in [[Erv Wilson|Ervin Wilson]]'s Scale Tree and described on the Tuning List by [[Keenan Pepper]], with a fifth of about 704.096 cents, and a precise ratio of [[Phi]], the Golden Section (~1.618) between the larger chromatic semitone (e.g. C-C#) at about 128.669 cents and the smaller diatonic semitone (e.g. C#-D) at about 79.522 cents. | ||
[[Erv Wilson|Ervin Wilson]]'s Scale Tree and described on the Tuning List by [[Keenan Pepper]], | |||
with a fifth of about 704.096 cents, and a precise ratio of | |||
[[Phi]], the Golden Section (~1.618) between the larger chromatic semitone | |||
(e.g. C-C#) at about 128.669 cents and the smaller diatonic semitone | |||
(e.g. C#-D) at about 79.522 cents. | |||
In Peppermint 24, two regular 12-note chains of this temperament are | In Peppermint 24, two regular 12-note chains of this temperament are placed at a distance of approximately 58.680 cents, so as to yield some pure ratios of 6:7 (~266.871 cents). | ||
placed at a distance of approximately 58.680 cents, so as to yield | |||
some pure ratios of 6:7 (~266.871 cents). | |||
Here is a 24-note keyboard arrangement, with an asterisk (*) showing a | Here is a 24-note keyboard arrangement, with an asterisk (*) showing a note on the upper keyboard: | ||
note on the upper keyboard: | |||
[[code]] | [[code]] | ||
187.349 346.393 683.253 891.445 1050.488 | 187.349 346.393 683.253 891.445 1050.488 | ||
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In the following catalogue of some ratio equivalents and mappings, I | In the following catalogue of some ratio equivalents and mappings, I will focus on intervals no further from just than 8:9 or 9:16, which vary from their pure sizes by about 4.282 cents (twice the tempering of the fifth, at about 2.141 cents wide of 2:3). | ||
will focus on intervals no further from just than 8:9 or 9:16, which | |||
vary from their pure sizes by about 4.282 cents (twice the tempering | |||
of the fifth, at about 2.141 cents wide of 2:3). | |||
Octave numbers appear in a MIDI-style notation, with C4 as middle C; | Octave numbers appear in a MIDI-style notation, with C4 as middle C; just ratios and tempered equivalents are given values in cents, shown in parentheses, with tempered variations in cents also shown. | ||
just ratios and tempered equivalents are given values in cents, shown | |||
in parentheses, with tempered variations in cents also shown. | |||
To describe the 58.68-cent interval between the two keyboards, whose | To describe the 58.68-cent interval between the two keyboards, whose addition or subtraction plays a role in obtaining or approximating many ratios, I shall the term "quasi-diesis," or QD for short. This "artificial" diesis-like interval is actually somewhat larger than the natural diesis in the regular Wilson/Pepper temperament at about 49.15 cents (12 tempered fifths less 7 pure octaves). | ||
addition or subtraction plays a role in obtaining or approximating | |||
many ratios, I shall the term "quasi-diesis," or QD for short. This | |||
"artificial" diesis-like interval is actually somewhat larger than the | |||
natural diesis in the regular Wilson/Pepper temperament at about 49.15 | |||
cents (12 tempered fifths less 7 pure octaves). | |||
As this partial catalogue might suggest, many ratios of 2-3-7-9-11-13 | As this partial catalogue might suggest, many ratios of 2-3-7-9-11-13 are represented quite accurately, with 14:17:21 and related ratios also closely approximated. | ||
are represented quite accurately, with 14:17:21 and related ratios | |||
also closely approximated. | |||
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<a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning/message/40057" rel="nofollow">Original article</a> by Margo Schulter, on the Yahoo tuning forum, is quoted | <a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning/message/40057" rel="nofollow">Original article</a> by Margo Schulter, on the Yahoo tuning forum, is quoted below. In addition to what it says, it may be noted that the Wilson/Pepper fifth it mentions, of size approximately 704.096 cents, has a precise value of (67 + sqrt(5))/118 octaves, which is (40200 + 600 sqrt(5))/59 cents.<br /> | ||
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An interesting feature of tuning systems, as implemented on keyboards | <!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:3:&lt;h1&gt; --><h1 id="toc1"><a name="Margo Schulter's article"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:3 -->Margo Schulter's article</h1> | ||
(conventional or alternative), is the <a class="wiki_link" href="/keyboard%20mappings">mapping</a> of pure or tempered | An interesting feature of tuning systems, as implemented on keyboards (conventional or alternative), is the <a class="wiki_link" href="/keyboard%20mappings">mapping</a> of pure or tempered ratios to positions on the keyboard layout.<br /> | ||
ratios to positions on the keyboard layout.<br /> | |||
<br /> | <br /> | ||
Here I shall explore the mapping of approximate ratios, and especially | Here I shall explore the mapping of approximate ratios, and especially of superparticular and other ratios within <a class="wiki_link" href="/Harry%20Partch">Harry Partch</a>'s larger 17-limit set, in the tuning system and keyboard arrangement I call Peppermint 24.<br /> | ||
of superparticular and other ratios within <a class="wiki_link" href="/Harry%20Partch">Harry Partch</a>'s larger | |||
17-limit set, in the tuning system and keyboard arrangement I call | |||
Peppermint 24.<br /> | |||
<br /> | <br /> | ||
Peppermint 24 takes as its basis a <a class="wiki_link" href="/Regular%20Temperaments">regular temperament</a> mentioned in | Peppermint 24 takes as its basis a <a class="wiki_link" href="/Regular%20Temperaments">regular temperament</a> mentioned in <a class="wiki_link" href="/Erv%20Wilson">Ervin Wilson</a>'s Scale Tree and described on the Tuning List by <a class="wiki_link" href="/Keenan%20Pepper">Keenan Pepper</a>, with a fifth of about 704.096 cents, and a precise ratio of <a class="wiki_link" href="/Phi">Phi</a>, the Golden Section (~1.618) between the larger chromatic semitone (e.g. C-C#) at about 128.669 cents and the smaller diatonic semitone (e.g. C#-D) at about 79.522 cents.<br /> | ||
<a class="wiki_link" href="/Erv%20Wilson">Ervin Wilson</a>'s Scale Tree and described on the Tuning List by <a class="wiki_link" href="/Keenan%20Pepper">Keenan Pepper</a>, | |||
with a fifth of about 704.096 cents, and a precise ratio of | |||
<a class="wiki_link" href="/Phi">Phi</a>, the Golden Section (~1.618) between the larger chromatic semitone | |||
(e.g. C-C#) at about 128.669 cents and the smaller diatonic semitone | |||
(e.g. C#-D) at about 79.522 cents.<br /> | |||
<br /> | <br /> | ||
In Peppermint 24, two regular 12-note chains of this temperament are | In Peppermint 24, two regular 12-note chains of this temperament are placed at a distance of approximately 58.680 cents, so as to yield some pure ratios of 6:7 (~266.871 cents).<br /> | ||
placed at a distance of approximately 58.680 cents, so as to yield | |||
some pure ratios of 6:7 (~266.871 cents).<br /> | |||
<br /> | <br /> | ||
Here is a 24-note keyboard arrangement, with an asterisk (*) showing a | Here is a 24-note keyboard arrangement, with an asterisk (*) showing a note on the upper keyboard:<br /> | ||
note on the upper keyboard:<br /> | |||
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&lt;pre class=&quot;text&quot;&gt; 187.349 346.393 683.253 891.445 1050.488&lt;br/&gt; C#* Eb* F#* G#* Bb*&lt;br/&gt; C* D* E* F* G* A* B* C*&lt;br/&gt;58.680 266.871 475.062 554.584 762.775 970.967 1179.158 1258.680&lt;br/&gt; 7/6&lt;br/&gt;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;-&lt;br/&gt; 128.669 287.713 624.574 832.765 991.809&lt;br/&gt; C# Eb F# G# Bb&lt;br/&gt; C D E F G A B C&lt;br/&gt; 0 208.191 416.382 495.904 704.096 912.287 1120.478 1200&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/pre&gt; | &lt;pre class=&quot;text&quot;&gt; 187.349 346.393 683.253 891.445 1050.488&lt;br/&gt; C#* Eb* F#* G#* Bb*&lt;br/&gt; C* D* E* F* G* A* B* C*&lt;br/&gt;58.680 266.871 475.062 554.584 762.775 970.967 1179.158 1258.680&lt;br/&gt; 7/6&lt;br/&gt;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;&amp;#45;-&lt;br/&gt; 128.669 287.713 624.574 832.765 991.809&lt;br/&gt; C# Eb F# G# Bb&lt;br/&gt; C D E F G A B C&lt;br/&gt; 0 208.191 416.382 495.904 704.096 912.287 1120.478 1200&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/pre&gt; | ||
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In the following catalogue of some ratio equivalents and mappings, I | In the following catalogue of some ratio equivalents and mappings, I will focus on intervals no further from just than 8:9 or 9:16, which vary from their pure sizes by about 4.282 cents (twice the tempering of the fifth, at about 2.141 cents wide of 2:3).<br /> | ||
will focus on intervals no further from just than 8:9 or 9:16, which | |||
vary from their pure sizes by about 4.282 cents (twice the tempering | |||
of the fifth, at about 2.141 cents wide of 2:3).<br /> | |||
<br /> | <br /> | ||
Octave numbers appear in a MIDI-style notation, with C4 as middle C; | Octave numbers appear in a MIDI-style notation, with C4 as middle C; just ratios and tempered equivalents are given values in cents, shown in parentheses, with tempered variations in cents also shown.<br /> | ||
just ratios and tempered equivalents are given values in cents, shown | |||
in parentheses, with tempered variations in cents also shown.<br /> | |||
<br /> | <br /> | ||
To describe the 58.68-cent interval between the two keyboards, whose | To describe the 58.68-cent interval between the two keyboards, whose addition or subtraction plays a role in obtaining or approximating many ratios, I shall the term &quot;quasi-diesis,&quot; or QD for short. This &quot;artificial&quot; diesis-like interval is actually somewhat larger than the natural diesis in the regular Wilson/Pepper temperament at about 49.15 cents (12 tempered fifths less 7 pure octaves).<br /> | ||
addition or subtraction plays a role in obtaining or approximating | |||
many ratios, I shall the term &quot;quasi-diesis,&quot; or QD for short. This | |||
&quot;artificial&quot; diesis-like interval is actually somewhat larger than the | |||
natural diesis in the regular Wilson/Pepper temperament at about 49.15 | |||
cents (12 tempered fifths less 7 pure octaves).<br /> | |||
<br /> | <br /> | ||
As this partial catalogue might suggest, many ratios of 2-3-7-9-11-13 | As this partial catalogue might suggest, many ratios of 2-3-7-9-11-13 are represented quite accurately, with 14:17:21 and related ratios also closely approximated.<br /> | ||
are represented quite accurately, with 14:17:21 and related ratios | |||
also closely approximated.<br /> | |||
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