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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">The 5-limit parent comma for the magic family is 3125/3072, the small diesis or magic comma. Its monzo is |-10 -1 5>, and flipping that yields <<5 1 -10|| for the wedgie. This tells us the generator is a major third, and that to get to the interval class of fifths will require five of these. In fact, (5/4)^5 = 3 * 3125/3072. 13/41 is a highly recommendable generator, though 19/60 also makes sense and using [[19edo]] or [[22edo]] is always possible.

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=Five limit magic=

The 5-limit parent comma for the magic family is 3125/3072, the small diesis or magic comma. Its monzo is |-10 -1 5>, and flipping that yields <<5 1 -10|| for the wedgie. This tells us the generator is a major third, and that to get to the interval class of fifths will require five of these. In fact, (5/4)^5 = 3 * 3125/3072. 13/41 is a highly recommendable generator, though 19/60 also makes sense and using [[19edo]] or [[22edo]] is always possible.

[[Comma]]: 3125/3072

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The second comma of the [[Normal lists|normal comma list]] defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. 875/864, the keemic comma, gives magic, and 525/512, Avicenna's enharmonic diesis, gives his annoying brother muggles. Both use the major third as a generator.

===Magic===

=Magic=

Magic tempers out not only 3125/3072 and 875/864, but also 225/224, 245/243, and 10976/10935. [[41edo]] is a good magic tuning, and 19 or 22 note MOS are possible scales. Five major thirds approximate 3/1. Twelve major thirds, less an octave, approximate 7/1.

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EDOs: 41, 183, 224

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==11-limit==

Commas: 225/224, 245/243, 100/99

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==13-limit==

Commas: 100/99, 105/104, 144/143, 196/195

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===Muggles===

=Muggles=

Aside from 3125/3072 and 525/512 muggles also tempers out 126/125 and 1323/1280. A good muggles tuning is [[19edo]], in which tuning it's the same thing as magic. Muggles works better for small scales than magic in the sense that 7 or 10 note MOS are reasonable choices. The muggles wedgie is <<5 1 -7 -10 -25 -19||.

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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html"><html><head><title>Magic family</title></head><body>The 5-limit parent comma for the magic family is 3125/3072, the small diesis or magic comma. Its monzo is |-10 -1 5&gt;, and flipping that yields &lt;&lt;5 1 -10|| for the wedgie. This tells us the generator is a major third, and that to get to the interval class of fifths will require five of these. In fact, (5/4)^5 = 3 * 3125/3072. 13/41 is a highly recommendable generator, though 19/60 also makes sense and using <a class="wiki_link" href="/19edo">19edo</a> or <a class="wiki_link" href="/22edo">22edo</a> is always possible.<br />

<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html"><html><head><title>Magic family</title></head><body><a href="#Five limit magic">Five limit magic</a> | <a href="#Magic">Magic</a> | <a href="#Muggles">Muggles</a>

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<h1 id="toc0"><a name="Five limit magic"></a>Five limit magic</h1>

The 5-limit parent comma for the magic family is 3125/3072, the small diesis or magic comma. Its monzo is |-10 -1 5&gt;, and flipping that yields &lt;&lt;5 1 -10|| for the wedgie. This tells us the generator is a major third, and that to get to the interval class of fifths will require five of these. In fact, (5/4)^5 = 3 * 3125/3072. 13/41 is a highly recommendable generator, though 19/60 also makes sense and using <a class="wiki_link" href="/19edo">19edo</a> or <a class="wiki_link" href="/22edo">22edo</a> is always possible.<br />

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<a class="wiki_link" href="/Comma">Comma</a>: 3125/3072<br />

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<h2 id="~~toc0~~"><a name="x-Seven limit children"></a>Seven limit children</h2>

<h2 id="toc1"><a name="Five limit magic-Seven limit children"></a>Seven limit children</h2>

The second comma of the <a class="wiki_link" href="/Normal%20lists">normal comma list</a> defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. 875/864, the keemic comma, gives magic, and 525/512, Avicenna's enharmonic diesis, gives his annoying brother muggles. Both use the major third as a generator.<br />

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<h3 id="~~toc1~~"><a name="~~x-Seven limit children-~~Magic"></a>Magic</h3>

<h1 id="toc2"><a name="Magic"></a>Magic</h1>

Magic tempers out not only 3125/3072 and 875/864, but also 225/224, 245/243, and 10976/10935. <a class="wiki_link" href="/41edo">41edo</a> is a good magic tuning, and 19 or 22 note MOS are possible scales. Five major thirds approximate 3/1. Twelve major thirds, less an octave, approximate 7/1.<br />

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EDOs: 41, 183, 224<br />

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<h4 id="~~toc2~~"><a name="~~x-Seven limit children-~~Magic-11-limit"></a>11-limit</h4>

<h2 id="toc3"><a name="Magic-11-limit"></a>11-limit</h2>

Commas: 225/224, 245/243, 100/99<br />

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Badness: 0.0204<br />

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<h4 id="~~toc3~~"><a name="~~x-Seven limit children-~~Magic-13-limit"></a>13-limit</h4>

<h2 id="toc4"><a name="Magic-13-limit"></a>13-limit</h2>

Commas: 100/99, 105/104, 144/143, 196/195<br />

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<h3 id="~~toc4~~"><a name="~~x-Seven limit children-~~Muggles"></a>Muggles</h3>

<h1 id="toc5"><a name="Muggles"></a>Muggles</h1>

Aside from 3125/3072 and 525/512 muggles also tempers out 126/125 and 1323/1280. A good muggles tuning is <a class="wiki_link" href="/19edo">19edo</a>, in which tuning it's the same thing as magic. Muggles works better for small scales than magic in the sense that 7 or 10 note MOS are reasonable choices. The muggles wedgie is &lt;&lt;5 1 -7 -10 -25 -19||.<br />

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 Magic tempers out not only 3125/3072 and 875/864, but also 225/224, 245/243, and 10976/10935. [[41edo]] is a good magic tuning, and 19 or 22 note MOS are possible scales. Five major thirds approximate 3/1. Twelve major thirds, less an octave, approximate 7/1.
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 Aside from 3125/3072 and 525/512 muggles also tempers out 126/125 and 1323/1280. A good muggles tuning is [[19edo]], in which tuning it's the same thing as magic. Muggles works better for small scales than magic in the sense that 7 or 10 note MOS are reasonable choices. The muggles wedgie is &lt;&lt;5 1 -7 -10 -25 -19||.
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