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The 5-limit parent comma for the magic family is 3125/3072, the small diesis or magic comma. Its monzo is |-10 -1 5>, and flipping that yields <<5 1 -10|| for the wedgie. This tells us the generator is a major third, and that to get to the interval class of fifths will require five of these. In fact, (5/4)^5 = 3 * 3125/3072. 13\41 is a highly recommendable generator, though 19\60, the optimal patent val generator, also makes a lot of sense and using [[19edo]] or [[22edo]] is always possible. | The 5-limit parent comma for the magic family is 3125/3072, the small diesis or magic comma. Its monzo is |-10 -1 5>, and flipping that yields <<5 1 -10|| for the wedgie. This tells us the generator is a major third, and that to get to the interval class of fifths will require five of these. In fact, (5/4)^5 = 3 * 3125/3072. 13\41 is a highly recommendable generator, though 19\60, the optimal patent val generator, also makes a lot of sense and using [[19edo]] or [[22edo]] is always possible. | ||
[[Comma]]: 3125/3072 | [[Comma]]: [[3125_3072|3125/3072]] | ||
5-limit minimax | 5-limit minimax | ||
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225/224 is the [[Marvel temperaments|marvel]] comma. Because the augmented triad is the simplest triad in magic temperaments, it is especially significant in magic temperament. | 225/224 is the [[Marvel temperaments|marvel]] comma. Because the augmented triad is the simplest triad in magic temperaments, it is especially significant in magic temperament. | ||
243/242 leads to another essentially tempered 9-limit triad with two thirds approximating 9/7 and the other 6/5. | 243/242 leads to another essentially tempered 9-limit triad with two thirds approximating 9/7 and the other 6/5. It also divides the approximate 3/2 into two steps of 7/6 and one of 10/9. (This "octarod comma" is shared with [[Sensi|sensi]], [[Semaphore and Godzilla|godzilla]], [[Superpyth|superpyth]], [[Tetracot family|octacot]], [[Gamelismic clan|rodan]], [[Shrutar|shrutar]], [[Porcupine family|hedgehog]], [[Clyde node|clyde]], and [[Sensamagic clan|bohpier]]. See [[http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/uv.cgi?uvs=245:243|temperament finder]].) | ||
By adding 100/99 to the list of commas, magic can be extended to an 11-limit version, <<5 1 12 -8 ... ||. For this, [[104edo]] provides an excellent tuning, as it does also for the rank three temperaments tempering out 100/99 with 225/224, 245/243 or 875/864. Septimage (see below) is also an excellent 11-limit magic tuning. | By adding 100/99 to the list of commas, magic can be extended to an 11-limit version, <<5 1 12 -8 ... ||. For this, [[104edo]] provides an excellent tuning, as it does also for the rank three temperaments tempering out 100/99 with 225/224, 245/243 or 875/864. Septimage (see below) is also an excellent 11-limit magic tuning. | ||
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EDOs: 41, 142cd, 183cd, 224cd | EDOs: 41, 142cd, 183cd, 224cd | ||
==11-limit== | ==11-limit== | ||
Tempering 100/99 allows for a tritone substitution where the extended 5-limit tuning of a dominant seventh with a 9/5 above the root shares its tritone with an 8:10:11:12:16 chord rooted on the seventh of the original chord. | Tempering 100/99 allows for a tritone substitution where the extended 5-limit tuning of a dominant seventh with a 9/5 above the root shares its tritone with an 8:10:11:12:16 chord rooted on the seventh of the original chord. (The tritone of the dominant seventh is (9/5)/(5/4)=36/25. (16/11)/(26/25)=100/99.) | ||
See also [[Chords of magic]] | See also [[Chords of magic]] | ||
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The 5-limit parent comma for the magic family is 3125/3072, the small diesis or magic comma. Its monzo is |-10 -1 5&gt;, and flipping that yields &lt;&lt;5 1 -10|| for the wedgie. This tells us the generator is a major third, and that to get to the interval class of fifths will require five of these. In fact, (5/4)^5 = 3 * 3125/3072. 13\41 is a highly recommendable generator, though 19\60, the optimal patent val generator, also makes a lot of sense and using <a class="wiki_link" href="/19edo">19edo</a> or <a class="wiki_link" href="/22edo">22edo</a> is always possible.<br /> | The 5-limit parent comma for the magic family is 3125/3072, the small diesis or magic comma. Its monzo is |-10 -1 5&gt;, and flipping that yields &lt;&lt;5 1 -10|| for the wedgie. This tells us the generator is a major third, and that to get to the interval class of fifths will require five of these. In fact, (5/4)^5 = 3 * 3125/3072. 13\41 is a highly recommendable generator, though 19\60, the optimal patent val generator, also makes a lot of sense and using <a class="wiki_link" href="/19edo">19edo</a> or <a class="wiki_link" href="/22edo">22edo</a> is always possible.<br /> | ||
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<a class="wiki_link" href="/Comma">Comma</a>: 3125/3072<br /> | <a class="wiki_link" href="/Comma">Comma</a>: <a class="wiki_link" href="/3125_3072">3125/3072</a><br /> | ||
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5-limit minimax<br /> | 5-limit minimax<br /> | ||
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225/224 is the <a class="wiki_link" href="/Marvel%20temperaments">marvel</a> comma. Because the augmented triad is the simplest triad in magic temperaments, it is especially significant in magic temperament.<br /> | 225/224 is the <a class="wiki_link" href="/Marvel%20temperaments">marvel</a> comma. Because the augmented triad is the simplest triad in magic temperaments, it is especially significant in magic temperament.<br /> | ||
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243/242 leads to another essentially tempered 9-limit triad with two thirds approximating 9/7 and the other 6/5. | 243/242 leads to another essentially tempered 9-limit triad with two thirds approximating 9/7 and the other 6/5. It also divides the approximate 3/2 into two steps of 7/6 and one of 10/9. (This &quot;octarod comma&quot; is shared with <a class="wiki_link" href="/Sensi">sensi</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/Semaphore%20and%20Godzilla">godzilla</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/Superpyth">superpyth</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/Tetracot%20family">octacot</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/Gamelismic%20clan">rodan</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/Shrutar">shrutar</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/Porcupine%20family">hedgehog</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/Clyde%20node">clyde</a>, and <a class="wiki_link" href="/Sensamagic%20clan">bohpier</a>. See <a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/uv.cgi?uvs=245:243" rel="nofollow">temperament finder</a>.)<br /> | ||
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By adding 100/99 to the list of commas, magic can be extended to an 11-limit version, &lt;&lt;5 1 12 -8 ... ||. For this, <a class="wiki_link" href="/104edo">104edo</a> provides an excellent tuning, as it does also for the rank three temperaments tempering out 100/99 with 225/224, 245/243 or 875/864. Septimage (see below) is also an excellent 11-limit magic tuning.<br /> | By adding 100/99 to the list of commas, magic can be extended to an 11-limit version, &lt;&lt;5 1 12 -8 ... ||. For this, <a class="wiki_link" href="/104edo">104edo</a> provides an excellent tuning, as it does also for the rank three temperaments tempering out 100/99 with 225/224, 245/243 or 875/864. Septimage (see below) is also an excellent 11-limit magic tuning.<br /> | ||
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Tempering 100/99 allows for a tritone substitution where the extended 5-limit tuning of a dominant seventh with a 9/5 above the root shares its tritone with an 8:10:11:12:16 chord rooted on the seventh of the original chord. | Tempering 100/99 allows for a tritone substitution where the extended 5-limit tuning of a dominant seventh with a 9/5 above the root shares its tritone with an 8:10:11:12:16 chord rooted on the seventh of the original chord. (The tritone of the dominant seventh is (9/5)/(5/4)=36/25. (16/11)/(26/25)=100/99.)<br /> | ||
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See also <a class="wiki_link" href="/Chords%20of%20magic">Chords of magic</a><br /> | See also <a class="wiki_link" href="/Chords%20of%20magic">Chords of magic</a><br /> | ||