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;This is not a proper wiki page. It is NOT FACTUAL unlike the rest of the wiki, it is ONLY OPINION. | ;This is not a proper wiki page. It is NOT FACTUAL [[Xenharmonic Wiki:Five pillars|unlike the rest]] of the wiki, it is ONLY OPINION. | ||
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;This page is only ever intended as a casual opinion column which never tries to be nor claims to be an encylopedic wiki article. | ;This page is only ever intended as a casual opinion column which never tries to be nor claims to be an encylopedic wiki article. | ||
'''This page is not any kind of formal [[Wikifuture|proposal]].''' (Though feel free to use content from it towards one, if you want.) | |||
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{{Editable user page|You are free to add temperaments or other terms and place them where you think they should go. <br><br>You are also free to move temperaments currently on the list into a different category if you think their current category is incorrect according to the criteria of this page. <br><br>You are also free to add your own possible alternative names.}} | {{Editable user page|You are free to add temperaments or other terms and place them where you think they should go. <br><br>You are also free to move temperaments currently on the list into a different category if you think their current category is incorrect according to the criteria of this page. <br><br>You are also free to add your own possible alternative names.}} | ||
This page aims to rate the [[Temperament naming|names]] of [[temperament]]s and other concepts in modern [[tuning]] theory based on where they fall on the spectrum between respectful inter-[[:Category:Traditions|cultural]] dialogue at one end, and disrespectful cultural appropriation at the other. | This page aims to rate the [[Temperament naming|names]] of [[temperament]]s and other [[term|concepts]] in modern [[tuning]] theory based on where they fall on the spectrum between respectful inter-[[:Category:Traditions|cultural]] dialogue at one end, and disrespectful cultural appropriation at the other. | ||
== DOs == | == DOs == | ||
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===== Gamelic ===== | ===== Gamelic ===== | ||
Another name for [[slendric]] temperament but much worse. The term "gamelic" is very easily confused with the term "gamelan". That risks implying this temperament is identical to the ones used by | Another name for [[slendric]] temperament but much worse. The term "gamelic" is very easily confused with the term "[[gamelan]]". That risks implying this temperament is identical to the ones used by gamelan orchestras. Which it is not. | ||
Imagine saying "gamelic scales" - musicologists could easily assume you mean "scales used in gamelan music". The potential for confusion is too high. | Imagine saying "gamelic scales" - musicologists could easily assume you mean "scales used in gamelan music". The potential for confusion is too high. | ||
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==== Maqamic ==== | ==== Maqamic ==== | ||
[[Maqamic]] temperament was a deliberate attempt to approximate maqam music with a [[regular temperament]]. So it is | [[Maqamic]] temperament was a deliberate attempt to approximate Arabic [[maqam]] music with a [[regular temperament]]. So it is right for the name to reference that. | ||
What the name fails to do however, is to communicate that it is not actually maqam music itself, it is only a highly simplified approximation of it to make it easier to combine with Western techniques. | What the name fails to do however, is to communicate that it is not actually maqam music ''itself'', it is only a highly simplified approximation of it to make it easier to combine with Western techniques. | ||
The name "maqamic temperament" is way | The name "maqamic temperament" is way too easy to get confused as being the exact same thing as "traditional maqamic tuning". | ||
Luckily, the name “maqamic temperament” isn’t in use anymore, and has been replaced with the imperfect, but much much better “'''neutrominant temperament'''”. | Luckily, the name “maqamic temperament” isn’t in use anymore, and has been replaced with the imperfect, but much much better “'''neutrominant temperament'''”. | ||
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'''Possible alternative names: pelogmatic, pelogmatical, pelogesque, peloglike, pseudopelog''' | '''Possible alternative names: pelogmatic, pelogmatical, pelogesque, peloglike, pseudopelog''' | ||
" | "[[Pelogic]]” sounds so close to “[[pelog]]” as to give the impression they are the exact same thing, which they are not. The definition implicit in the name “pelogic temperament” is “the regular temperament which generates pelog scales.” And that’s not what it is. It is ''inspired'' by pelog scales, it doesn’t ''make'' them. | ||
A musicologist could too easily confuse the terms "pelogic temperament" (the Western temperament) and "pelog tuning" (the Indonesian scale). | A musicologist could too easily confuse the terms "pelogic temperament" (the Western temperament) and "pelog tuning" (the Indonesian scale). | ||
==== Slendro diesis ==== | ==== Slendro diesis ==== | ||
[[49/48]], the “slendro diesis”, doesn’t appear to have much too in common with slendro, besides being tempered out in equipentatonic and quasi-equipentatonic tunings like [[5edo]] and [[semaphore]][5]. | [[49/48]], the “slendro diesis”, doesn’t appear to have much too in common with [[slendro]], besides being tempered out in equipentatonic and quasi-equipentatonic tunings like [[5edo]] and [[semaphore]][5]. | ||
The big problem with this name is that "slendro diesis" implies that this comma is actually important to traditional, pre-RTT Indonesian music theory of the slendro scale. Which it is not. | The big problem with this name is that "slendro diesis" implies that this comma is actually important to traditional, pre-[[RTT]] Indonesian music theory of the slendro scale. Which it is not. | ||
Luckily, this interval has two other names, “'''large septimal diesis'''” and “'''semaphore comma'''”, so hopefully they will gradually replace it over time. | Luckily, this interval has two other names, “'''large septimal diesis'''” and “'''semaphore comma'''”, so hopefully they will gradually replace it over time. | ||
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"Maqamic" has been renamed to "[[neutrominant]]". While that's a big improvement, it isn’t perfect. Good enough, but not perfect. | "Maqamic" has been renamed to "[[neutrominant]]". While that's a big improvement, it isn’t perfect. Good enough, but not perfect. | ||
Neutrominant was directly inspired by Arabic scales. Its explicit goal is to approximate them within an | Neutrominant was directly inspired by Arabic scales. Its explicit goal is to approximate them within an RTT framework. So the fact that its name includes no reference to Arabic music at all feels wrong. It's feels like stealing from Arabic music theory and claiming it as its own without giving credit. | ||
A better name might be "zaeimmuhayid temperament", Arabic for "neutral leader" (kinda close to "neutral dominant", "neutrominant"). | A better name might be "zaeimmuhayid temperament", Arabic for "neutral leader" (kinda close to "neutral dominant", "neutrominant"). | ||
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[[Rishi]] is a higher rank version of [[sruti]] temperament, which itself was based on shruti in Indian music theory. Rishi is named after the rishis, sages who are believed to have created shruti texts. | [[Rishi]] is a higher rank version of [[sruti]] temperament, which itself was based on shruti in Indian music theory. Rishi is named after the rishis, sages who are believed to have created shruti texts. | ||
I don't love this name, because it | I don't love this name, because it implies that the modern tuning is directly inspired by the ancient Indian sages, which seems like a pretty arrogant implication for a name to carry. | ||
Nonetheless, it's better than straight up calling it "sruti", as that would be claiming to be an exact 1 to 1 representation of Indian theory. At least "rishi" does communicate that it's not exactly the same thing, and also does give credit to the culture too. | Nonetheless, it's better than straight up calling it "sruti", as that would be claiming to be an exact 1 to 1 representation of Indian theory. At least "rishi" does communicate that it's not exactly the same thing, and also does give credit to the culture too. | ||
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==== Slendrismic ==== | ==== Slendrismic ==== | ||
[[Slendrismic]] temperament is not actually named after slendro, it is named after the fact it has a slender generator. For that reason it doesn't really even need to appear on this list, but we might as well give it a look. | [[Slendrismic]] temperament is not actually named after slendro, it is named after the fact it has a slender [[generator]]. For that reason it doesn't really even need to appear on this list, but we might as well give it a look. | ||
The name is similar enough to slendro that there is a tad possibility for confusion, so I can’t give too many stars, but really it probably is different enough that it’s fine. I don’t think anyone is likely to mix up “slendro” and “slendrismic”. | The name is similar enough to slendro that there is a tad possibility for confusion, so I can’t give too many stars, but really it probably is different enough that it’s fine. I don’t think anyone is likely to mix up “slendro” and “slendrismic”. | ||
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==== Mavila ==== | ==== Mavila ==== | ||
[[Mavila]] is not directly named after a traditional Chopi tuning, but is instead named after a village where that tuning was used. | [[Mavila]] is not directly named after a traditional [[African|Chopi]] tuning, but is instead named after a village where that tuning was used. | ||
This is a great way to go about it, I think. | This is a great way to go about it, I think. | ||
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But using the name of a ''village'' instead is perfect. It gives credit to the original place where you were inspired by their tuning, without claiming to ''be'' their tuning. | But using the name of a ''village'' instead is perfect. It gives credit to the original place where you were inspired by their tuning, without claiming to ''be'' their tuning. | ||
This is actually kind of a timeless way to name scales and tunings throughout history: phrygian, dorian, etc. are all named after geographical places, so are many of the maqams. Naming a scale after a village near where you found it is a fun strategy. | This is actually kind of a timeless way to name scales and tunings throughout history: [[5L2s|phrygian, dorian, etc.]] are all named after geographical places, so are many of the maqams. Naming a scale after a village near where you found it is a fun strategy. | ||
Important to mention, too, Mavila is actually very very close to the Chopi tuning and is directly inspired by it, so it is quite appropriate for it to have a name related to that. It's not just had the name tacked onto it, it really merits the name. | Important to mention, too, Mavila is actually very very close to the Chopi tuning and is directly inspired by it, so it is quite appropriate for it to have a name related to that. It's not just had the name tacked onto it, it really merits the name. | ||
===== Mabila, avila, etc. ===== | ===== Mabila, avila, etc. ===== | ||
[[Mavila family|Derivatives]] of mavila, and they inherit the goodness of its name. | [[Mavila family|Derivatives]] of mavila, and they largely inherit the goodness of its name. | ||
==== Mohajira ==== | ==== Mohajira ==== | ||