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The 5-limit parent comma for the diaschismic family is 2048/2025, the diaschisma. Its monzo is |11 -4 -2>, and flipping that yields <<2 -4 -11|| for the wedgie. This tells us the period is half an octave, the GCD of 2 and -4, and that the generator is a fifth. Three periods gives 1800 cents, and decreasing this by two fifths gives the major third. [[34edo]] is a good tuning choice, with [[46edo]], [[56edo]], [[58edo]] or [[80edo]] being other possibilities. Both [[12edo]] and [[22edo]] support it, and retuning them to a MOS of diaschismic gives two scale possibilities.

==Seven limit children==
The second comma of the [[Normal lists|normal comma list]] defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Pajara derives from 64/63 and is a popular and well-known choice. Diaschismic adds 2097152/2066715 to obtain 7-limit harmony by more complex methods, but with greater accuracy. Keen adds 2240/2187, echidna 1728/1715 and shrutar 245/243, the sensamagic comma. The other temperaments all keep the same 1/2 octave period and fifth generator, but shrutar has a generator of a quarter-tone (which can be taken as 36/35, the septimal quarter-tone.) 

===Pajara===
Pajara, with wedgie <<2 -4 -4 -11 -12 2|| is closely associated with 22et (not to mention [[Paul Erlich]]) but other tunings are possible. The 1/2 octave period serves as both a 10/7 and a 7/5. Aside from 22et, 34 with the val <34 54 79 96| and 56 with the val <56 89 130 158| are are interesting alternatives, with more accpetable fifths, and a tetrad which is more clearly a dominant seventh. As such, they are closer to the tuning of 12et and of common practice Western music in general, while retaining the distictiveness of a sharp fifth.

Pajara extends nicely to an 11-limit version, for which the 56 tuning can be used, but a good alternative is to make the major thirds pure by setting the fifth to be 706.843 cents. Now 99/98, 100/99, 176/175 and 896/891 are being tempered out.

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<html><head><title>Diaschismic family</title></head><body>The 5-limit parent comma for the diaschismic family is 2048/2025, the diaschisma. Its monzo is |11 -4 -2&gt;, and flipping that yields &lt;&lt;2 -4 -11|| for the wedgie. This tells us the period is half an octave, the GCD of 2 and -4, and that the generator is a fifth. Three periods gives 1800 cents, and decreasing this by two fifths gives the major third. <a class="wiki_link" href="/34edo">34edo</a> is a good tuning choice, with <a class="wiki_link" href="/46edo">46edo</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/56edo">56edo</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/58edo">58edo</a> or <a class="wiki_link" href="/80edo">80edo</a> being other possibilities. Both <a class="wiki_link" href="/12edo">12edo</a> and <a class="wiki_link" href="/22edo">22edo</a> support it, and retuning them to a MOS of diaschismic gives two scale possibilities.<br />
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The second comma of the <a class="wiki_link" href="/Normal%20lists">normal comma list</a> defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Pajara derives from 64/63 and is a popular and well-known choice. Diaschismic adds 2097152/2066715 to obtain 7-limit harmony by more complex methods, but with greater accuracy. Keen adds 2240/2187, echidna 1728/1715 and shrutar 245/243, the sensamagic comma. The other temperaments all keep the same 1/2 octave period and fifth generator, but shrutar has a generator of a quarter-tone (which can be taken as 36/35, the septimal quarter-tone.) <br />
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Pajara, with wedgie &lt;&lt;2 -4 -4 -11 -12 2|| is closely associated with 22et (not to mention <a class="wiki_link" href="/Paul%20Erlich">Paul Erlich</a>) but other tunings are possible. The 1/2 octave period serves as both a 10/7 and a 7/5. Aside from 22et, 34 with the val &lt;34 54 79 96| and 56 with the val &lt;56 89 130 158| are are interesting alternatives, with more accpetable fifths, and a tetrad which is more clearly a dominant seventh. As such, they are closer to the tuning of 12et and of common practice Western music in general, while retaining the distictiveness of a sharp fifth.<br />
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Pajara extends nicely to an 11-limit version, for which the 56 tuning can be used, but a good alternative is to make the major thirds pure by setting the fifth to be 706.843 cents. Now 99/98, 100/99, 176/175 and 896/891 are being tempered out.</body></html>

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 ==Seven limit children==
-The second comma of the [[Normal lists|normal comma list]] defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Pajara derives from 64/63 and is a popular and well-known choice. Diaschismic adds 2097152/2066715 to obtain 7-limit harmony by more complex methods, but with greater accuracy. Keen adds 2240/2187, echidna 1728/1715 and shrutar 245/243, the sensamagic comma. The other temperaments all keep the same 1/2 octave period and fifth generator, but shrutar has a generator of a quarter-tone (which can be taken as 36/35, the septimal quarter-tone.) </pre></div>
+The second comma of the [[Normal lists|normal comma list]] defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Pajara derives from 64/63 and is a popular and well-known choice. Diaschismic adds 2097152/2066715 to obtain 7-limit harmony by more complex methods, but with greater accuracy. Keen adds 2240/2187, echidna 1728/1715 and shrutar 245/243, the sensamagic comma. The other temperaments all keep the same 1/2 octave period and fifth generator, but shrutar has a generator of a quarter-tone (which can be taken as 36/35, the septimal quarter-tone.)
+===Pajara===
+Pajara, with wedgie &lt;&lt;2 -4 -4 -11 -12 2|| is closely associated with 22et (not to mention [[Paul Erlich]]) but other tunings are possible. The 1/2 octave period serves as both a 10/7 and a 7/5. Aside from 22et, 34 with the val &lt;34 54 79 96| and 56 with the val &lt;56 89 130 158| are are interesting alternatives, with more accpetable fifths, and a tetrad which is more clearly a dominant seventh. As such, they are closer to the tuning of 12et and of common practice Western music in general, while retaining the distictiveness of a sharp fifth.
+Pajara extends nicely to an 11-limit version, for which the 56 tuning can be used, but a good alternative is to make the major thirds pure by setting the fifth to be 706.843 cents. Now 99/98, 100/99, 176/175 and 896/891 are being tempered out.</pre></div>
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-The second comma of the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Normal%20lists"&gt;normal comma list&lt;/a&gt; defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Pajara derives from 64/63 and is a popular and well-known choice. Diaschismic adds 2097152/2066715 to obtain 7-limit harmony by more complex methods, but with greater accuracy. Keen adds 2240/2187, echidna 1728/1715 and shrutar 245/243, the sensamagic comma. The other temperaments all keep the same 1/2 octave period and fifth generator, but shrutar has a generator of a quarter-tone (which can be taken as 36/35, the septimal quarter-tone.)&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>
+The second comma of the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Normal%20lists"&gt;normal comma list&lt;/a&gt; defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Pajara derives from 64/63 and is a popular and well-known choice. Diaschismic adds 2097152/2066715 to obtain 7-limit harmony by more complex methods, but with greater accuracy. Keen adds 2240/2187, echidna 1728/1715 and shrutar 245/243, the sensamagic comma. The other temperaments all keep the same 1/2 octave period and fifth generator, but shrutar has a generator of a quarter-tone (which can be taken as 36/35, the septimal quarter-tone.) &lt;br /&gt;
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+&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:2:&amp;lt;h3&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h3 id="toc1"&gt;&lt;a name="x-Seven limit children-Pajara"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:2 --&gt;Pajara&lt;/h3&gt;
+Pajara, with wedgie &amp;lt;&amp;lt;2 -4 -4 -11 -12 2|| is closely associated with 22et (not to mention &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Paul%20Erlich"&gt;Paul Erlich&lt;/a&gt;) but other tunings are possible. The 1/2 octave period serves as both a 10/7 and a 7/5. Aside from 22et, 34 with the val &amp;lt;34 54 79 96| and 56 with the val &amp;lt;56 89 130 158| are are interesting alternatives, with more accpetable fifths, and a tetrad which is more clearly a dominant seventh. As such, they are closer to the tuning of 12et and of common practice Western music in general, while retaining the distictiveness of a sharp fifth.&lt;br /&gt;
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+Pajara extends nicely to an 11-limit version, for which the 56 tuning can be used, but a good alternative is to make the major thirds pure by setting the fifth to be 706.843 cents. Now 99/98, 100/99, 176/175 and 896/891 are being tempered out.&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>

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