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=== Extending the named range to mosses with fewer than 6 steps ===

=== Extending the named range to mosses with more than 10 steps ===

== Naming mos modes==

<blockquote>''No changes''. </blockquote>

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===Name-specific reasonings===

====Monolarge mosses====

[[Step-generated scale|Monolarge]] mosses (mosses of the form 1L ''n''s) were originally left unnamed due to the tuning ranges for these mosses being so large that they were unhelpful with knowing how they sound. This ~~stance~~ was ~~reconsidered~~ and names have been given since it's useful for describing structure in situations where one does not want to use the mathematical name, and especially in such contexts, a specific tuning will likely be specified.

[[Step-generated scale|Monolarge]] mosses (mosses of the form 1L ''n''s) were originally left unnamed due to the tuning ranges for these mosses being so large that they were unhelpful with knowing how they sound. This position was changed as of August 2022, and names have been given since it's useful for describing structure in situations where one does not want to use the mathematical name, and especially in such contexts, a specific tuning will likely be specified.

Originally, ''onyx'' (1L 6s) was the only unique name, not based on affixing the anti- prefix to the name of its sister mos (6L 1s, ''archeotonic''). The original reasoning is given verbatim:<blockquote>"1Ln-ic's" and "nL1-ic's (like, the -ic suffix applied to MOSS names, collectivised for 1Lns and nL1s) sounds like "one-el-en-ics" or "en-el-one-ics" which abbreviated sort of sounds like "one-ics" => "onyx". Then "onyx" sounds sort of like "one-six". Furthermore the onyx mineral comes in many colours and types, which seems fitting given this is the parent scale for a wide variety of MOSSes; specifically of interest being 7L 1s (pine), 8L 1s (subneutralic) and 9L 1s (sinatonic). Finally, the name "onyx" is also supposed to be vaguely reminiscent of "anti-archaeotonic" as "chi" (the greek letter) is written like an "x" (this is related to why "christmas" is abbreviated sometimes as "X-mas") and other than that, the letters "o" and "n" and their sounds are also present in "archaeotonic", and "x" is vaguely reminiscent of negation and multiplication. There is also something like a "y" sound in "archaeotonic" in the "aeo" part (depending partially on your pronounciation).</blockquote>Names for all monolarge mosses within the named range (6-10 steps) were given unique names following in the spirit of ''onyx'':

* 1L 6s is named ''selenite'', as the mineral called selenite is named after the moon. 1L 6s is supported by luna temperament, thus indirectly referencing it.

* 1L 7s is named ''spinel'', as it contains the substring ''pine'', in reference to its sister mos of 7L 1s (pine).

* 1L 8s is named ''agate'', as it rhymes with "eight", depending on one's pronunciation.

* 1L 9s is named ''olivine'', as it rhymes with "nine", depending on one's pronunciation.

==== Multiperiod mosses ====

Multiperiod mosses are given unique names that are not reliant on duplicating the name of a mos from the expanded named range, namely ''manual'', ''pedal'', ''pentic'', and ''antipentic''.

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Similarly, the inclusion of mosses of the form 1L ns using the "anti-" prefix (or an- for less-than-six-note mosses) was also for a practical consideration; although the tuning range is very unhelpful for knowing what such a mos will sound, it is nonetheless useful for describing structure in situations where one does not want to use the mathematical name, especially given that in such situations the tuning will likely be specified somewhere already. Jaric and taric specifically were chosen over bipedal and bimanual because of this, and to a lesser extent, lemon and lime were chosen over antibipentic and bipentic respectively (and for consistency with that their parent MOSS, 4L2s, is named citric).

====Malic (2L 4s), citric (4L 2s), lemon (6L 4s), and lime (4L 6s)====

The names for 2L 4s and 4L 2s come from Latin ''malus'' and ''citrus'', meaning 'apple' and 'citrus', respectively. Apples have concave ends, whereas lemons and limes – both types of citrus fruits – have convex ends. Both are ubiquitous foods, justifying their use for these fairly small mosses.

~~The distinction between using the prefixes "anti-" vs~~ "~~an-~~" ~~for reversing the number of large vs. small steps~~ is ~~also not as trivial as it may sound. In~~ the ~~case~~ of ~~mosses with six or more notes~~, ~~as the period is always an octave, there is a very large tuning range for the 1L ns mosses (hence the original reason for omitting such mosses), but~~ the "~~anti-~~" prefix shows that what is significant is that it has the opposite structure to the corresponding nL 1s mos while pointing out the resulting ambiguity of range. In the case of mosses with five or less notes, as the period is not known and ~~therefore could be very small~~, ~~this is not as much of a concern as fuller specification is likely required anyway~~, ~~especially in~~ the ~~case of~~ larger ~~periods~~, ~~so the name should not be tediously long~~ as the ~~name refers~~ to ~~a very simple mos pattern~~, and ~~for related reasons,~~ the ~~name shouldn~~'t ~~give as much of a sense of one~~ '~~orientation~~' ~~of the structure being more~~ '~~primary~~' ~~than the other, while with mosses with more than five notes, this suggestion of sense is very much intended, because it will almost always make more sense to talk about the~~ (~~n+1~~)~~L 1s child mos of whatever 1L ns mos you want to speak of~~.

Additionally, "citric" is the parent mos of 6L 4s and 4L 6s, named after the citrus fruits "lemon" and "lime", respectively, under the reasoning that lemons are larger than limes, as are the step sizes of 6L 4s compared to that of 4L 6s.

====Subaric (2L 6s), jaric (2L 8s), and taric (8L 2s)====

The name "subaric" alludes to the fact that 2L 6s is the largest proper '''sub'''set mos of both j'''aric''' (2L 8s) and t'''aric''' (8L 2s).

~~Onyx~~ (~~1L 6s~~)

The name "jaric" alludes to a few highly notable and generally inaccurate (with the exception of diaschismic) temperaments that exist in the tuning range of this MOSS. Specifically, notice how the letters and sound of "jaric" has (or is intended to have) a lot of overlap with [[pajara|pa'''jar'''a]], [[diaschismic|diaschism'''ic''']] and [[injera|in'''jer'''a]] (listed in order of increasingly sharp fourths; note that diatonic fourths and 4-jarasteps are equated in jaric, a notable property).

"~~1Ln-ic's~~" ~~and "nL1-ic's (like,~~ the -~~ic suffix applied to MOSS names, collectivised for 1Lns and nL1s) sounds like "one-el-en-ics" or "en-el-one-ics" which abbreviated sort~~ of ~~sounds like "one-ics" => "onyx". Then "onyx" sounds sort of like "one-six". Furthermore the onyx mineral comes in many colours~~ and ~~types, which seems fitting given this is~~ the ~~parent scale for a wide variety of MOSSes; specifically of interest being 7L 1s (pine), 8L 1s (subneutralic~~) and ~~9L 1s (sinatonic). Finally, the name "onyx" is~~ also ~~supposed to be vaguely reminiscent of "anti-archaeotonic" as "chi"~~ (~~the greek letter) is written like an "x" (this is related to why "christmas" is abbreviated sometimes~~ as ~~"X-mas") and other than that,~~ the letters "o" and "n" and their sounds are also present in "archaeotonic", and "x" is vaguely reminiscent of negation and multiplication. There is also something like a "y" sound in "archaeotonic" in the "aeo" part (depending partially on your pronounciation).

The name "taric" was named based on it being the only octave-tuned TAMNAMS pattern with a [[#Simple step ratios|basic]] tuning of [[18edo]] (because [[7L 4s]] has more than 10 notes and lies outside the named range) and it was also named based on rhyming with jaric (as they share the parent mos [[2L 6s]]).

====Pedal (1L 4s)====

Pedals are operated with feet, which have one large toe and four small toes. Also comes from words like "bipedal", where in TAMNAMS, "bipedal" would literally mean a pedal scale with a period equal to half of some chosen interval, although such a scale would have either two right feet or two left feet depending on orientation chosen. If you think "car"/"vehicle" when you think "pedal" and don't think (or want to think) much about feet then you can think about "[[beep]]ing" (as [[beep]] is the 7-limit 4&5 exotemperament). Because this name relies so heavily and fundamentally on there being 1 large and 4 small steps per period, it is appropriate to generalise for any size of period you would want. In that regard, same goes for manual, pentic and anpentic.

~~====Malic (2L 4s), citric (4L 2s), lemon (6L 4s), and lime (4L 6s)====~~

The names for 2L 4s and 4L 2s come from Latin ''malus'' and ''citrus'', meaning 'apple' and 'citrus', respectively. Apples have concave ends, whereas lemons and limes – both types of citrus fruits – have convex ends. Both are ubiquitous foods, justifying their use for these fairly small mosses.

Additionally, "citric" is the parent mos of 6L 4s and 4L 6s, named after the citrus fruits "lemon" and "lime", respectively, under the reasoning that lemons are larger than limes, as are the step size ranges of 6L 4s compared to that of 4L 6s.

====Machinoid (5L 1s)====

[[Machine]] is the 5&6 temperament in the 2.9.7.11 subgroup with a comma list of 64/63 and 99/98.

This temperament is supported by {{Optimal ET sequence| 5, 6, 11, 12, 16, 17, 22, 23, 27, 28 and 33 }} equal divisions, with non-patent val tunings including 5+5=10e, 5+10e+12=21be, 5+5+5+5+6=26qe, which are mentioned here for demonstrating virtual completeness of the tuning range, and the unusually large [[33edo]] tuning being to show [[11edo]]'s strength as a tuning.

~~====Subaric (2L 6s), jaric (2L 8s), and taric (8L 2s)====~~

~~The name "subaric" alludes to the fact that 2L 6s is the largest proper '''sub'''set mos of both j'''aric''' (2L 8s) and t'''aric''' (8L 2s).~~

The name "jaric" alludes to a few highly notable and generally inaccurate (with the exception of diaschismic) temperaments that exist in the tuning range of this MOSS. Specifically, notice how the letters and sound of "jaric" has (or is intended to have) a lot of overlap with [[pajara|pa'''jar'''a]], [[diaschismic|diaschism'''ic''']] and [[injera|in'''jer'''a]] (listed in order of increasingly sharp fourths; note that diatonic fourths and 4-jarasteps are equated in jaric, a notable property).

The name "taric" was named based on it being the only octave-tuned TAMNAMS pattern with a [[#Simple step ratios|basic]] tuning of [[18edo]] (because [[7L 4s]] has more than 10 notes and lies outside the named range) and it was also named based on rhyming with jaric (as they share the parent mos [[2L 6s]]).

====Sephiroid (3L 7s)====

[[Sephiroth]] is the 3&10 temperament in the 2.5.11.13.17.21 subgroup with commas including 65/64, 85/84, 105/104, 169/168, 170/169, 221/220, 273/272, 275/273.

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+=== Extending the named range to mosses with fewer than 6 steps ===
+=== Extending the named range to mosses with more than 10 steps ===
 == Naming mos modes==
 <blockquote>''No changes''. </blockquote>
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 ===Name-specific reasonings===
 ====Monolarge mosses====
-[[Step-generated scale|Monolarge]] mosses (mosses of the form 1L ''n''s) were originally left unnamed due to the tuning ranges for these mosses being so large that they were unhelpful with knowing how they sound. This stance was reconsidered and names have been given since it's useful for describing structure in situations where one does not want to use the mathematical name, and especially in such contexts, a specific tuning will likely be specified.
+[[Step-generated scale|Monolarge]] mosses (mosses of the form 1L ''n''s) were originally left unnamed due to the tuning ranges for these mosses being so large that they were unhelpful with knowing how they sound. This position was changed as of August 2022, and names have been given since it's useful for describing structure in situations where one does not want to use the mathematical name, and especially in such contexts, a specific tuning will likely be specified.
+Originally, ''onyx'' (1L 6s) was the only unique name, not based on affixing the anti- prefix to the name of its sister mos (6L 1s, ''archeotonic''). The original reasoning is given verbatim:<blockquote>"1Ln-ic's" and "nL1-ic's (like, the -ic suffix applied to MOSS names, collectivised for 1Lns and nL1s) sounds like "one-el-en-ics" or "en-el-one-ics" which abbreviated sort of sounds like "one-ics" => "onyx". Then "onyx" sounds sort of like "one-six". Furthermore the onyx mineral comes in many colours and types, which seems fitting given this is the parent scale for a wide variety of MOSSes; specifically of interest being 7L 1s (pine), 8L 1s (subneutralic) and 9L 1s (sinatonic). Finally, the name "onyx" is also supposed to be vaguely reminiscent of "anti-archaeotonic" as "chi" (the greek letter) is written like an "x" (this is related to why "christmas" is abbreviated sometimes as "X-mas") and other than that, the letters "o" and "n" and their sounds are also present in "archaeotonic", and "x" is vaguely reminiscent of negation and multiplication. There is also something like a "y" sound in "archaeotonic" in the "aeo" part (depending partially on your pronounciation).</blockquote>Names for all monolarge mosses within the named range (6-10 steps) were given unique names following in the spirit of ''onyx'':
+* 1L 6s is named ''selenite'', as the mineral called selenite is named after the moon. 1L 6s is supported by luna temperament, thus indirectly referencing it.
+* 1L 7s is named ''spinel'', as it contains the substring ''pine'', in reference to its sister mos of 7L 1s (pine).
+* 1L 8s is named ''agate'', as it rhymes with "eight", depending on one's pronunciation.
+* 1L 9s is named ''olivine'', as it rhymes with "nine", depending on one's pronunciation.
 ==== Multiperiod mosses ====
+Multiperiod mosses are given unique names that are not reliant on duplicating the name of a mos from the expanded named range, namely ''manual'', ''pedal'', ''pentic'', and ''antipentic''.
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 Similarly, the inclusion of mosses of the form 1L ns using the "anti-" prefix (or an- for less-than-six-note mosses) was also for a practical consideration; although the tuning range is very unhelpful for knowing what such a mos will sound, it is nonetheless useful for describing structure in situations where one does not want to use the mathematical name, especially given that in such situations the tuning will likely be specified somewhere already. Jaric and taric specifically were chosen over bipedal and bimanual because of this, and to a lesser extent, lemon and lime were chosen over antibipentic and bipentic respectively (and for consistency with that their parent MOSS, 4L2s, is named citric).
+====Malic (2L 4s), citric (4L 2s), lemon (6L 4s), and lime (4L 6s)====
+The names for 2L 4s and 4L 2s come from Latin ''malus'' and ''citrus'', meaning 'apple' and 'citrus', respectively. Apples have concave ends, whereas lemons and limes – both types of citrus fruits – have convex ends. Both are ubiquitous foods, justifying their use for these fairly small mosses.
-The distinction between using the prefixes "anti-" vs "an-" for reversing the number of large vs. small steps is also not as trivial as it may sound. In the case of mosses with six or more notes, as the period is always an octave, there is a very large tuning range for the 1L ns mosses (hence the original reason for omitting such mosses), but the "anti-" prefix shows that what is significant is that it has the opposite structure to the corresponding nL 1s mos while pointing out the resulting ambiguity of range. In the case of mosses with five or less notes, as the period is not known and therefore could be very small, this is not as much of a concern as fuller specification is likely required anyway, especially in the case of larger periods, so the name should not be tediously long as the name refers to a very simple mos pattern, and for related reasons, the name shouldn't give as much of a sense of one 'orientation' of the structure being more 'primary' than the other, while with mosses with more than five notes, this suggestion of sense is very much intended, because it will almost always make more sense to talk about the (n+1)L 1s child mos of whatever 1L ns mos you want to speak of.
+Additionally, "citric" is the parent mos of 6L 4s and 4L 6s, named after the citrus fruits "lemon" and "lime", respectively, under the reasoning that lemons are larger than limes, as are the step sizes of 6L 4s compared to that of 4L 6s.
+====Subaric (2L 6s), jaric (2L 8s), and taric (8L 2s)====
+The name "subaric" alludes to the fact that 2L 6s is the largest proper '''sub'''set mos of both j'''aric''' (2L 8s) and t'''aric''' (8L 2s).
-Onyx (1L 6s)
+The name "jaric" alludes to a few highly notable and generally inaccurate (with the exception of diaschismic) temperaments that exist in the tuning range of this MOSS. Specifically, notice how the letters and sound of "jaric" has (or is intended to have) a lot of overlap with [[pajara|pa'''jar'''a]], [[diaschismic|diaschism'''ic''']] and [[injera|in'''jer'''a]] (listed in order of increasingly sharp fourths; note that diatonic fourths and 4-jarasteps are equated in jaric, a notable property).
-"1Ln-ic's" and "nL1-ic's (like, the -ic suffix applied to MOSS names, collectivised for 1Lns and nL1s) sounds like "one-el-en-ics" or "en-el-one-ics" which abbreviated sort of sounds like "one-ics" => "onyx". Then "onyx" sounds sort of like "one-six". Furthermore the onyx mineral comes in many colours and types, which seems fitting given this is the parent scale for a wide variety of MOSSes; specifically of interest being 7L 1s (pine), 8L 1s (subneutralic) and 9L 1s (sinatonic). Finally, the name "onyx" is also supposed to be vaguely reminiscent of "anti-archaeotonic" as "chi" (the greek letter) is written like an "x" (this is related to why "christmas" is abbreviated sometimes as "X-mas") and other than that, the letters "o" and "n" and their sounds are also present in "archaeotonic", and "x" is vaguely reminiscent of negation and multiplication. There is also something like a "y" sound in "archaeotonic" in the "aeo" part (depending partially on your pronounciation).
+The name "taric" was named based on it being the only octave-tuned TAMNAMS pattern with a [[#Simple step ratios|basic]] tuning of [[18edo]] (because [[7L 4s]] has more than 10 notes and lies outside the named range) and it was also named based on rhyming with jaric (as they share the parent mos [[2L 6s]]).
 ====Pedal (1L 4s)====
 Pedals are operated with feet, which have one large toe and four small toes. Also comes from words like "bipedal", where in TAMNAMS, "bipedal" would literally mean a pedal scale with a period equal to half of some chosen interval, although such a scale would have either two right feet or two left feet depending on orientation chosen. If you think "car"/"vehicle" when you think "pedal" and don't think (or want to think) much about feet then you can think about "[[beep]]ing" (as [[beep]] is the 7-limit 4&5 exotemperament). Because this name relies so heavily and fundamentally on there being 1 large and 4 small steps per period, it is appropriate to generalise for any size of period you would want. In that regard, same goes for manual, pentic and anpentic.
-====Malic (2L 4s), citric (4L 2s), lemon (6L 4s), and lime (4L 6s)====
-The names for 2L 4s and 4L 2s come from Latin ''malus'' and ''citrus'', meaning 'apple' and 'citrus', respectively. Apples have concave ends, whereas lemons and limes – both types of citrus fruits – have convex ends. Both are ubiquitous foods, justifying their use for these fairly small mosses.
-Additionally, "citric" is the parent mos of 6L 4s and 4L 6s, named after the citrus fruits "lemon" and "lime", respectively, under the reasoning that lemons are larger than limes, as are the step size ranges of 6L 4s compared to that of 4L 6s.
 ====Machinoid (5L 1s)====
 [[Machine]] is the 5&amp;6 temperament in the 2.9.7.11 subgroup with a comma list of 64/63 and 99/98.
 This temperament is supported by {{Optimal ET sequence| 5, 6, 11, 12, 16, 17, 22, 23, 27, 28 and 33 }} equal divisions, with non-patent val tunings including 5+5=10e, 5+10e+12=21be, 5+5+5+5+6=26qe, which are mentioned here for demonstrating virtual completeness of the tuning range, and the unusually large [[33edo]] tuning being to show [[11edo]]'s strength as a tuning.
-====Subaric (2L 6s), jaric (2L 8s), and taric (8L 2s)====
-The name "subaric" alludes to the fact that 2L 6s is the largest proper '''sub'''set mos of both j'''aric''' (2L 8s) and t'''aric''' (8L 2s).
-The name "jaric" alludes to a few highly notable and generally inaccurate (with the exception of diaschismic) temperaments that exist in the tuning range of this MOSS. Specifically, notice how the letters and sound of "jaric" has (or is intended to have) a lot of overlap with [[pajara|pa'''jar'''a]], [[diaschismic|diaschism'''ic''']] and [[injera|in'''jer'''a]] (listed in order of increasingly sharp fourths; note that diatonic fourths and 4-jarasteps are equated in jaric, a notable property).
-The name "taric" was named based on it being the only octave-tuned TAMNAMS pattern with a [[#Simple step ratios|basic]] tuning of [[18edo]] (because [[7L 4s]] has more than 10 notes and lies outside the named range) and it was also named based on rhyming with jaric (as they share the parent mos [[2L 6s]]).
 ====Sephiroid (3L 7s)====
 [[Sephiroth]] is the 3&amp;10 temperament in the 2.5.11.13.17.21 subgroup with commas including 65/64, 85/84, 105/104, 169/168, 170/169, 221/220, 273/272, 275/273.