Talk:Marvel temperaments: Difference between revisions

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::::::::: --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 17:00, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

::::::::: I just noticed something else while looking at the [[Temperament names]] page. It appears that the "sept-" prefix was used as a suffix in a temperament name ''but in a different way'' than this pattern which was meant to indicate the prime limit. In the name "semisept" it's probably meant to convey the septimal nature of a major sixth (which is semi'd, so I suppose this is a variation on the outdated temperament name "semisixths", which is probably somehow related to sensi; this temperament does not appear, however, to be the same thing as sensisept / 7-limit sensi, as we can see here: https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_74762#74779). So that's just another complication to consider in our documentation of this naming pattern. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 21:13, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

::::::::: One more thing. I found this page (https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_97783.html#98172) where Graham writes:

<nowiki>The "sept"/"pent" distinction was according to a rule I never agreed

with. I think it was that the TOP tunings had to be the same for the

name to be the same. Gene ignores it. I don't care much either way

for established names, but I may have to keep "Sensisept" because it

exists in a higher limit. I can see the rule makes some sense if

we're talking about temperaments, as I understand them. The existence

of the rule may indicate Paul was understanding temperaments a similar

way. But as I understand temperament classes (which is similar to how

others understand regular temperaments) the tuning is allowed to vary

over a wide range. There are subjective rules I follow when I share

names over different limits and we can talk about individual cases if

you like. I don't have a fixed definition, or deterministic

algorithm, for deciding if two things in different limits are the

same, and I don't want one.</nowiki>

::::::::: So that gives some additional insight to the use of these prefixes, though I haven't yet found the original proposal of this distinction that Graham is referring to. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 21:51, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

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 ::::::::: --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 17:00, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 ::::::::: I just noticed something else while looking at the [[Temperament names]] page. It appears that the "sept-" prefix was used as a suffix in a temperament name ''but in a different way'' than this pattern which was meant to indicate the prime limit. In the name "semisept" it's probably meant to convey the septimal nature of a major sixth (which is semi'd, so I suppose this is a variation on the outdated temperament name "semisixths", which is probably somehow related to sensi; this temperament does not appear, however, to be the same thing as sensisept / 7-limit sensi, as we can see here: https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_74762#74779). So that's just another complication to consider in our documentation of this naming pattern. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 21:13, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
+::::::::: One more thing. I found this page (https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_97783.html#98172) where Graham writes:
+ <nowiki>The "sept"/"pent" distinction was according to a rule I never agreed
+with. I think it was that the TOP tunings had to be the same for the
+name to be the same. Gene ignores it. I don't care much either way
+for established names, but I may have to keep "Sensisept" because it
+exists in a higher limit. I can see the rule makes some sense if
+we're talking about temperaments, as I understand them. The existence
+of the rule may indicate Paul was understanding temperaments a similar
+way. But as I understand temperament classes (which is similar to how
+others understand regular temperaments) the tuning is allowed to vary
+over a wide range. There are subjective rules I follow when I share
+names over different limits and we can talk about individual cases if
+you like. I don't have a fixed definition, or deterministic
+algorithm, for deciding if two things in different limits are the
+same, and I don't want one.</nowiki>
+::::::::: So that gives some additional insight to the use of these prefixes, though I haven't yet found the original proposal of this distinction that Graham is referring to. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 21:51, 27 June 2023 (UTC)