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== Sandboxed rewrite: Naming mos intervals and mos degrees == | == Sandboxed rewrite: Naming mos intervals and mos degrees == | ||
Mos intervals are denoted as a ''quantity'' of mossteps, large or small. An interval that is k mossteps wide is referred to as a ''k-mosstep interval'' | Mos intervals are denoted as a ''quantity'' of mossteps, large or small. An interval that is k mossteps wide is referred to as a ''k-mosstep interval'' or simply ''k-mosstep'', producing a 0-mosstep or ''mosunison'', 1-mosstep, and so on, until an n-mosstep or ''mosoctave'' is reached, where n is the number of pitches in the mos. The prefix of mos- in the terms mosstep, mosunison, and mosoctave may be replaced with the mos's prefix, specified in the section mos pattern names. | ||
In contexts where it doesn't cause ambiguity, the term ''k-mosstep'' can be shortened to ''k-step'', which allows for generalizing terminology described here to non-mos scales, such as strict-variety-3 scales, | In contexts where it doesn't cause ambiguity, the term ''k-mosstep'' can be shortened to ''k-step'', which allows for generalizing terminology described here to non-mos scales, such as strict-variety-3 scales, scales with three specific interval sizes rather than two. Additionally, for [[non-octave]] scales, the term ''mosoctave'' is replaced with the term ''mosequave''. | ||
=== | === Reasoning for 0-indexed intervals === | ||
Note that a mosunison is a 0-mosstep, rather than a mos-1st; likewise, the term 1-mosstep is used rather than a mos-2nd. One might be tempted to generalize diatonic 1-indexed ordinal names: ''In 31edo's ultrasoft [[mosh]] scale, the perfect mosthird (aka Pmosh3rd) is a neutral third and the major mosfifth (aka Lmosh5th) is a perfect fifth.'' The way intervals are named above (and in 12edo theory) has a problem. An interval that's n steps wide is named ''(n+1)th''. This means that adding two intervals is more complicated than it should be. Stacking two fifths makes a ninth, when naively it would make a tenth. We're used to this for the diatonic scale, but when dealing with unfamiliar scale structures, it can be very confusing. To overcome this, TAMNAMS uses a 0-indexed name system for non-diatonic mos intervals, and the use of ordinal indexing is discouraged when referring to non-diatonic mos intervals. | Note that a mosunison is a 0-mosstep, rather than a mos-1st; likewise, the term 1-mosstep is used rather than a mos-2nd. One might be tempted to generalize diatonic 1-indexed ordinal names: ''In 31edo's ultrasoft [[mosh]] scale, the perfect mosthird (aka Pmosh3rd) is a neutral third and the major mosfifth (aka Lmosh5th) is a perfect fifth.'' The way intervals are named above (and in 12edo theory) has a problem. An interval that's n steps wide is named ''(n+1)th''. This means that adding two intervals is more complicated than it should be. Stacking two fifths makes a ninth, when naively it would make a tenth. We're used to this for the diatonic scale, but when dealing with unfamiliar scale structures, it can be very confusing. To overcome this, TAMNAMS uses a 0-indexed name system for non-diatonic mos intervals, and the use of ordinal indexing is discouraged when referring to non-diatonic mos intervals. | ||
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=== Specific mos intervals === | === Specific mos intervals === | ||
The phrase ''k-mosstep'' by itself does not specify whether an interval is major or minor. To refer to specific intervals, the familiar modifiers of ''major'', ''minor'', ''augment'', ''perfect'', and ''diminished'' are used. As mosses are [[Distributional evenness|distributionally even]], every interval will be in no more than two sizes, except for the mosoctave and mosunison, which only has one size. | |||
To find what mos intervals are found in a mos xL ys, start with the pattern of large and small steps that represents the mos in its brightest mode (the following subsection explains how to do this). This section's running example will be 3L 4s, with the pattern (or string) LsLsLss as its brightest mode. Since a k-mosstep is reached by going up k mossteps up from the root, to find every mos interval, we consider the first k steps of the mos pattern to find each interval's large size. To find the intervals' small size, we repeat the same process of finding mos intervals using the step pattern in the mos's darkest mode, which is the pattern of steps in the brightest mode reversed. To make these sizes more clear, we can denote the mos intervals as a sum of large and small steps iL+js, where i and j are the number of L's and s's in the interval's pattern. Note that the size difference between a large interval and small interval corresponds with replacing an L with an s. | |||
To find what mos intervals are found in a mos xL ys, start with the pattern of large and small steps that represents the mos in its brightest mode. This section's running example will be 3L 4s, with the pattern (or string) LsLsLss as its brightest mode. Since a k-mosstep is reached by going up k mossteps up from the root, to find every mos interval, we consider the first k steps of the mos pattern to find each interval's large size. To find the intervals' small size, we repeat the same process of finding mos intervals using the step pattern in the mos's darkest mode, which is the pattern of steps in the brightest mode reversed. To make these sizes more clear, we can denote the mos intervals as a sum of large and small steps iL+js, where i and j are the number of L's and s's in the interval's pattern. Note that the size difference between a large interval and small interval corresponds with replacing an L with an s. | |||
{| class="wikitable" | {| class="wikitable" | ||
|+Specific interval sizes for 3L 4s | |+Specific interval sizes for 3L 4s | ||
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|ssLsLsL | |ssLsLsL | ||
|'''3L+4s''' | |'''3L+4s''' | ||
|} | |}The modifiers of major, minor, augmented, perfect, and diminished are assigned in the following manner: | ||
The | |||
* The mosunison and mosoctave are '''perfect''' because they only have one size each. | * The mosunison and mosoctave are '''perfect''' because they only have one size each. | ||
* The generators are referred to as '''perfect''' by default. However, the generators have two interval sizes, and all mosses actually have two generators: a bright and dark generator | * The generators are referred to as '''perfect''' by default. However, the generators have two interval sizes, and all mosses actually have two generators: a bright and dark generator (the following subsection explains how to find these). For our running example of 3L 4s, the generators are a 2-mosstep and 5-mosstep. Specifically: | ||
** The large size of the bright generator is '''perfect''', and the small size is '''diminished'''. | ** The large size of the bright generator is '''perfect''', and the small size is '''diminished'''. | ||
** The large size of the dark generator is '''augmented''', and the small size is '''perfect'''. | ** The large size of the dark generator is '''augmented''', and the small size is '''perfect'''. | ||
* For all other intervals, the large size is '''major''' and the small size is '''minor'''. | * For all other intervals, the large size is '''major''' and the small size is '''minor'''. | ||
* For k-mossteps where k is greater than the number of pitches in the mos, those intervals have the same categories as an octave-reduced interval. Similarly, multiples of a mosoctave are perfect, as are generators raised by some multiple of the mosoctave. | * For k-mossteps where k is greater than the number of pitches in the mos, those intervals have the same categories as an octave-reduced interval. Similarly, multiples of a mosoctave are perfect, as are generators raised by some multiple of the mosoctave. | ||
For multi-period mosses, the additional rules apply: | |||
* For multi-period mosses not of the form nL ns, there is an additional interval that occurs periodically that only appears as one size. This interval, the mos's period, is '''perfect'''. Additionally: | * For multi-period mosses not of the form nL ns, there is an additional interval that occurs periodically that only appears as one size. This interval, the mos's period, is '''perfect'''. Additionally: | ||
** Multiples of the period are '''perfect''', as | ** Multiples of the period are '''perfect''', as are multiples of a mosoctave. | ||
** Both the bright and dark generators appear in every period, not just every octave. Generators that are raised some multiple of the mos's period are also '''perfect''', as | ** Both the bright and dark generators appear in every period, not just every octave. Generators that are raised some multiple of the mos's period are also '''perfect''', as are generators raised by some multiple of the mosoctave. | ||
* For multi-period mosses that are of the form nL ns, the generators are '''major''' and '''minor''', rather than augmented, perfect, and diminished. This is to prevent ambiguity over calling every interval perfect. | * For multi-period mosses that are of the form nL ns, the generators are '''major''' and '''minor''', rather than augmented, perfect, and diminished. This is to prevent ambiguity over calling every interval perfect. | ||
{| class="wikitable" | {| class="wikitable" | ||
|+Names for mos intervals for 3L 4s | |+Names for mos intervals for 3L 4s | ||
!Interval | !Interval | ||
!Specific interval | !Specific mos interval | ||
!Abbreviation | !Abbreviation | ||
!Interval size | !Interval size | ||
!Gens up | |||
|- | |- | ||
|0-mosstep (mosunison) | |0-mosstep (mosunison) | ||
|Perfect mosunison | |Perfect mosunison | ||
|P0ms | |P0ms | ||
|0 | |||
|0 | |0 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| rowspan="2" |1-mosstep | | rowspan="2" |1-mosstep | ||
|Minor | |Minor mosstep (or small mosstep) | ||
|m1ms | |m1ms | ||
|s | |s | ||
| -3 | |||
|- | |- | ||
|Major | |Major mosstep (or large mosstep) | ||
|M1ms | |M1ms | ||
|L | |L | ||
|4 | |||
|- | |- | ||
| rowspan="2" |2-mosstep | | rowspan="2" |2-mosstep | ||
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|d2ms | |d2ms | ||
|2s | |2s | ||
| -6 | |||
|- | |- | ||
|Perfect 2-mosstep | |Perfect 2-mosstep | ||
|P2ms | |P2ms | ||
|L+s | |L+s | ||
|1 | |||
|- | |- | ||
| rowspan="2" |3-mosstep | | rowspan="2" |3-mosstep | ||
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|m3ms | |m3ms | ||
|1L+2s | |1L+2s | ||
| -2 | |||
|- | |- | ||
|Major 3-mosstep | |Major 3-mosstep | ||
|M3ms | |M3ms | ||
|2L+s | |2L+s | ||
|5 | |||
|- | |- | ||
| rowspan="2" |4-mosstep | | rowspan="2" |4-mosstep | ||
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|m4ms | |m4ms | ||
|1L+3s | |1L+3s | ||
| -5 | |||
|- | |- | ||
|Major 4-mosstep | |Major 4-mosstep | ||
|M4ms | |M4ms | ||
|2L+2s | |2L+2s | ||
|2 | |||
|- | |- | ||
| rowspan="2" |5-mosstep | | rowspan="2" |5-mosstep | ||
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|P5ms | |P5ms | ||
|2L+3s | |2L+3s | ||
| -1 | |||
|- | |- | ||
|Augmented 5-mosstep | |Augmented 5-mosstep | ||
|A5ms | |A5ms | ||
|3L+2s | |3L+2s | ||
|6 | |||
|- | |- | ||
| rowspan="2" |6-mosstep | | rowspan="2" |6-mosstep | ||
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|m6ms | |m6ms | ||
|2L+4s | |2L+4s | ||
| -4 | |||
|- | |- | ||
|Major 6-mosstep | |Major 6-mosstep | ||
|M6ms | |M6ms | ||
|3L+3s | |3L+3s | ||
|3 | |||
|- | |- | ||
|7-mosstep (mosoctave) | |7-mosstep (mosoctave) | ||
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|P7ms | |P7ms | ||
|3L+4s | |3L+4s | ||
|0 | |||
|} | |} | ||
==== | ==== How to find a mos's brightest mode and its generators ==== | ||
To find the generators for a mos, follow the algorithm described [[Recursive structure of MOS scales#Finding a generator | The idea of [[Recursive structure of MOS scales|mos recursion]] may be of help with finding the generators of a mos. Likewise, the idea of modal brightness and [[Modal UDP notation|UDP]] may be of help for a mos's modes. | ||
* To find the mos whose order of steps represent the mos's brightest mode, follow the algorithm described here: [[Recursive structure of MOS scales|Recursive structure of MOS scales#Finding the MOS pattern from xL ys]]. | |||
* To find the generators for a mos, follow the algorithm described here: [[Recursive structure of MOS scales#Finding a generator]]. Be sure to follow the additional instructions to produce the generators as some quantity of mossteps. Alternatively, produce an interval matrix using the instructions here ([[Interval matrix#Using step sizes]]) for making an interval matrix out of a mos pattern. The generators are the intervals that appear as one size in all but one mode. The interval that appears in its large size in all but one mode is the perfect bright generator, and the interval that appears in its small size in all but one mode is the perfect dark generator. | |||
=== Naming alterations by a chroma === | === Naming alterations by a chroma === | ||
TAMNAMS also uses the designations of augmented and diminished to refer to alterations of a mos interval, much like with using sharps and flats in standard notation. However, mos intervals are altered by raising or lowering it by a moschroma, a generalized sharp/flat that is the difference between a large step and a small step. Raising a minor mos interval by a chroma makes it major, and lowering a major mos interval makes it minor. A major or perfect mos interval can be raised by a chroma repeatedly to produce an augmented, doubly-augmented, and (uncommonly) a triply-augmented mos interval. Likewise, a minor or perfect mos interval can be lowered by a chroma repeatedly to produce a diminished, doubly-diminished, and (uncommonly) a triply-diminished mos interval. | TAMNAMS also uses the designations of ''augmented'' and ''diminished'' to refer to ''alterations'' of a mos interval, much like with using sharps and flats in standard notation. However, mos intervals are altered by raising or lowering it by a ''moschroma'' (or simply ''chroma'', if context allows), a generalized sharp/flat that is the difference between a large step and a small step. Raising a minor mos interval by a chroma makes it major, and lowering a major mos interval makes it minor. A major or perfect mos interval can be raised by a chroma repeatedly to produce an augmented, doubly-augmented, and (uncommonly) a triply-augmented mos interval. Likewise, a minor or perfect mos interval can be lowered by a chroma repeatedly to produce a diminished, doubly-diminished, and (uncommonly) a triply-diminished mos interval. | ||
A mosunison or mosoctave that is itself augmented or diminished may also be referred to a mosaugmented or mosdiminished unison or octave. Here, the meaning of unison and octave does not change depending on the mos pattern, but the meanings of augmented and diminished do. | A mosunison or mosoctave that is itself augmented or diminished may also be referred to a ''mosaugmented'' or ''mosdiminished'' unison or octave. Here, the meaning of unison and octave does not change depending on the mos pattern, but the meanings of augmented and diminished do. | ||
{| class="wikitable" | {| class="wikitable" | ||
|+Table of alterations, with abbreviations | |+Table of alterations, with abbreviations | ||
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|Triply-diminished (ddd, d³, or d^3) | |Triply-diminished (ddd, d³, or d^3) | ||
|} | |} | ||
Other intervals include the following: | |||
* Mosdiesis (a generalized diesis for use with mosses): |L - 2s| | * Mosdiesis (a generalized diesis for use with mosses): |L - 2s| | ||
* Moskleisma (a generalized kleisma for use with mosses): |L - 3s| | * Moskleisma (a generalized kleisma for use with mosses): |L - 3s| | ||
=== Naming mos degrees === | === Naming mos degrees === | ||
Individual mos degrees are based on the | Individual mos degrees are based on the modifiers assigned to intervals using the process for naming mos intervals and alterations. Mos degrees are enumerated starting at the 0-mosdegree, the tonic. For example, if you go up a major k-mosstep up from the root, then the mos degree reached this way is a major k-mosdegree. Much like "k-mossteps" being shortened to "k-steps" if context allows, k-mosdegrees may also be shortened to "k-degrees". The modifiers of major/minor or augmented/perfect/diminished may also be omitted when clear from context. | ||
==== Naming mos chords ==== | ==== Naming mos chords ==== | ||
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** An issue with using letter-based prefixes is that many of them are based on temperaments. A temperament-agnostic interpretation will be needed if these letters are to be generalized outside of the diatonic family. | ** An issue with using letter-based prefixes is that many of them are based on temperaments. A temperament-agnostic interpretation will be needed if these letters are to be generalized outside of the diatonic family. | ||
** Yet another issue is that the pattern of f-, m-, p-, and s-, all based on temperaments, does not continue with 3rd-generation mosses in that f- and s- are no longer at the extremes and p- is no longer at the midpoint (see table below). Either 3rd-generation mosses need a different set of prefixes, or a different set of prefixes are needed throughout. | ** Yet another issue is that the pattern of f-, m-, p-, and s-, all based on temperaments, does not continue with 3rd-generation mosses in that f- and s- are no longer at the extremes and p- is no longer at the midpoint (see table below). Either 3rd-generation mosses need a different set of prefixes, or a different set of prefixes are needed throughout. | ||
** In the spirit of TAMNAMS being temperament-agnostic, a proper solution may be to not use and shoehorn temperament-suggestive prefixes, but rather use the names for step ratios. This lines up with Frostburn's proposal, but applies to the first three generations, not just the third. (Frostburn's proposed abbreviations may also work.) | ** In the spirit of TAMNAMS being temperament-agnostic, a proper solution may be to not use and shoehorn temperament-suggestive prefixes, but rather use the names for step ratios. This lines up with Frostburn's proposal, but applies to the first three generations, not just the third. (Frostburn's proposed abbreviations may also work.) Under this system, all prefixes can work for all three generations, so soft-chromatic, hyposoft-chromatic, and minisoft-chromatic is allowed, just as soft-subchromatic, hyposoft-subchromatic, and minisoft-subchromatic. The absence of prefixes is also allowed. | ||
*** Hard and soft are preferred over sharp and flat, as those describe accidentals specific to diatonic notation. TAMNAMS and diamond-mos notation has generalized sharps and flats, called amps/ams and ats. | |||
{| class="wikitable" | {| class="wikitable" | ||
! rowspan="2" |Diatonic scale | ! rowspan="2" |Diatonic scale |