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* Some names are too long (in my opinion).
* Some names are too long (in my opinion).


The choice of names are not perfect and some may have issues. Some names have multiple suggestions. This section is meant to start a discussion on alternate names.
The choice of names are not perfect and some may have issues. Some name suggestions went through different versions. This section is meant to start a discussion on alternate names should a need come up for it.
{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
|+
|+
Table of proposed namechanges
Table of proposed name changes
! colspan="9" |Changes to names to reduce or remove references to temperaments
! colspan="10" |Changes to names to reduce or remove references to temperaments
|-
|-
! rowspan="2" |Mos
! rowspan="2" |Mos
! colspan="3" |Current name
! colspan="3" |Current name
! colspan="3" |Suggested name(s)
! colspan="3" |Suggested name(s)
! rowspan="2" |Old suggestions
! rowspan="2" |Reasoning
! rowspan="2" |Reasoning
! rowspan="2" |Possible issues
! rowspan="2" |Possible issues
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|unchagned
|unchagned
|unchagned
|unchagned
|
|A more indirect reference to [[machine]] temperament.
|A more indirect reference to [[machine]] temperament.
|Still references machine temperament. May also reference [[Subgroup temperaments|mechanism]] temperament.
|Still references machine temperament. May also reference [[Subgroup temperaments|mechanism]] temperament.
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|unchagned
|unchagned
|unchagned
|unchagned
|septonic
|Rather than alluding to [[sephiroth]] temperament, the name should allude to Peter Kosmorsky's ''[https://ia800703.us.archive.org/12/items/TractatumDeModiSephiratorum/ModiSephiratorum.pdf Tractatum de Modi Sephiratorum]'' (A Treatise on the Modes of the Sephirates), whose name ultimately comes from the [[wikipedia:Sefirot|sefirot]]. The document describes several edos that are said to contain the "modi sephiratorum" (sephirate modes). Therefore, instead of the name "sephiroid", suggesting that the mos pattern resembles the modi sephiratorum, the mos pattern ''is'' the modi sephiratorum, hence the mosname "sephirotonic".
|Rather than alluding to [[sephiroth]] temperament, the name should allude to Peter Kosmorsky's ''[https://ia800703.us.archive.org/12/items/TractatumDeModiSephiratorum/ModiSephiratorum.pdf Tractatum de Modi Sephiratorum]'' (A Treatise on the Modes of the Sephirates), whose name ultimately comes from the [[wikipedia:Sefirot|sefirot]]. The document describes several edos that are said to contain the "modi sephiratorum" (sephirate modes). Therefore, instead of the name "sephiroid", suggesting that the mos pattern resembles the modi sephiratorum, the mos pattern ''is'' the modi sephiratorum, hence the mosname "sephirotonic".
|May still reference sephiroth temperament. For a more indirect reference, an alternate transliteration of סְפִירוֹת (sefirot) may be used instead.
|May still reference sephiroth temperament. For a more indirect reference, an alternate transliteration of סְפִירוֹת (sefirot) may be used instead.
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|zal-
|zal-
|zal
|zal
|
|As of writing, there are two names. I would favor zaltertic over dicoid in that it removes a name that suggests a temperament.
|As of writing, there are two names. I would favor zaltertic over dicoid in that it removes a name that suggests a temperament.
|Central zalzalian thirds (another name for neutral thirds) are not the scale's bright generator, but are produced by the scale.
|Central zalzalian thirds (another name for neutral thirds) are not the scale's bright generator, but are produced by the scale.
|-
|-
! colspan="9" |Changes to names that bear the anti- prefix
! colspan="10" |Changes to names that bear the anti- prefix
|-
|-
! rowspan="2" |Mos
! rowspan="2" |Mos
! colspan="3" |Current name
! colspan="3" |Current name
! colspan="3" |Suggested name(s)
! colspan="3" |Suggested name(s)
! rowspan="2" |Old suggestions
! rowspan="2" |Reasoning
! rowspan="2" |Reasoning
! rowspan="2" |Possible issues
! rowspan="2" |Possible issues
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|amech-
|amech-
|amech
|amech
|selenic or selenite
|selenite
|sel-
|sel-
|sel
|sel
|selenic
|An indirect reference to [[luna]] temperament; "selene" is Greek for "moon". The name "selenite" follows the same pattern of 1L 6s being named after a type of gemstone.
|An indirect reference to [[luna]] temperament; "selene" is Greek for "moon". The name "selenite" follows the same pattern of 1L 6s being named after a type of gemstone.
|Pun.
|Pun.
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|spin-
|spin-
|spin
|spin
|Contains the word "pine". A spinel is a type of gemstone, and follows the same pattern as onyx.
|alpine, stelanic
|Pun. Spinel doesn't rhyme with pine, ruining the joke.
| rowspan="3" |Shorter names. These names follow in the same spirit as "onyx" for 1L 6s in the following ways:
 
* "Spinel" contains the word "pine", referencing its sister mos of "pine".
* Depending on pronunciation, the word "agate" may rhyme with "eight".
* Depending on pronunciation, the word "olivine" may rhyme with "nine".
| rowspan="3" |Pun. The names suggested don't typically rhyme with the words they're trying to rhyme with or reference, ruining the joke.
|-
|-
|1L 8s
|1L 8s
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|aga- or agat-
|aga- or agat-
|aga
|aga
|Shorter name. Depending on one's pronunciation, "agate" rhymes with "eight", similarly with "onyx" and "six".
|mineric
|Pun.
|-
|-
|1L 9s
|1L 9s
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|oliv-
|oliv-
|oliv
|oliv
|Shorter name. Named in the same spirit as 1L 6s being named "onyx", depending on one's pronunciation of "olivine".
|parivalic, alentic
|Pun. Olivine is typically pronounced in a way that doesn't rhyme with nine, ruining the joke.
|-
|-
! colspan="9" |Changes to names that bear other prefixes
! colspan="10" |Changes to names that bear other prefixes
|-
|-
! rowspan="2" |Mos
! rowspan="2" |Mos
! colspan="3" |Current name
! colspan="3" |Current name
! colspan="3" |Suggested name(s)
! colspan="3" |Suggested name(s)
! rowspan="2" |Old suggestions
! rowspan="2" |Reasoning
! rowspan="2" |Reasoning
! rowspan="2" |Possible issues
! rowspan="2" |Possible issues
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|unchagned
|unchagned
|unchagned
|unchagned
|pelic
| rowspan="2" |From "[[pelog]]" and "[[armodue]]". The proposed names are to make both scales more distinct from diatonic. These names must be changed together.
| rowspan="2" |From "[[pelog]]" and "[[armodue]]". The proposed names are to make both scales more distinct from diatonic. These names must be changed together.
| rowspan="2" |The connection to diatonic may be beneficial to some musicians. Additionally, the mode names commonly used for both mosses are those from diatonic (lydian, ionian, etc) with the anti- and super- prefixes added.
| rowspan="2" |The connection to diatonic may be beneficial to some musicians. Additionally, the mode names commonly used for both mosses are those from diatonic (lydian, ionian, etc) with the anti- and super- prefixes added.
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|unchagned
|unchagned
|unchagned
|unchagned
|armic
|-
|-
|8L 1s
|8L 1s
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|azu- or unchanged
|azu- or unchanged
|azu or unchanged
|azu or unchanged
|azuric
|An indirect reference to [[bleu]] temperament; azure is a specific shade of blue. Simplified name. Also, the sub- prefix may falsely suggest another scale called "(prefix)neutralic", similar to how sub'''aric''' (2L 6s) is the parent to both j'''aric''' (2L 8s) and t'''aric''' (8L 2s).
|An indirect reference to [[bleu]] temperament; azure is a specific shade of blue. Simplified name. Also, the sub- prefix may falsely suggest another scale called "(prefix)neutralic", similar to how sub'''aric''' (2L 6s) is the parent to both j'''aric''' (2L 8s) and t'''aric''' (8L 2s).
|New name is referencing a temperament, albeit indirectly. The sub- prefix reasoning may be a stretch, since subaric, jaric, and taric are the only mosses related this way.
|New name is referencing a temperament, albeit indirectly. The sub- prefix reasoning may be a stretch, since subaric, jaric, and taric are the only mosses related this way.
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|bar-
|bar-
|bar
|bar
|
|Rhymes perfectly with jaric and taric. May also mean "basic -aric", as this mos with a basic step ratio (L:s=2:1) cannot produce jaric or taric, or rather, produces both but equalized.
|Rhymes perfectly with jaric and taric. May also mean "basic -aric", as this mos with a basic step ratio (L:s=2:1) cannot produce jaric or taric, or rather, produces both but equalized.
|Too minor of a modification. The use of "bar" as a prefix or abbreviation may be problematic ("bar" may also mean "measure" in sheet music).
|Too minor of a modification. The use of "bar" as a prefix or abbreviation may be problematic ("bar" may also mean "measure" in sheet music).
|}Other name changes:
|}
 
=== Aesthetic rules ===
These are the rules that attempt to justify the logic behind much of the name suggestions. There are, of course, exceptions to these rules, as some names are arguably too memorable to change.
 
# Names for single-period mosses with 5 or fewer notes are the most general names in the sense that they're not limited by octave-equivalence and end with -ic or -al. These should be the only mosses that contain the anti- prefix, shortened to an-.
# All names for mosses not of the form 1L ns end with -tonic, suggesting that these are octave-specific and reference a specific interval, a notable pre-TAMNAMS or other temperament-agnostic name, or indirectly reference a temperament if all other options are exhausted. (Exceptions: mosh, semiquartal, zaltertic, balzano, and pine don't end with -tonic.)
# Names for mosses of the form 1L ns with 6 or more notes are named after gemstones and minerals, following the spirit of 1L 6s being named onyx. These are named differently than those named using the previous rule as these mosses have too broad a tuning range to even suggest a single temperament.
# Multi-period mosses end with -ic and always refer to an octave-equivalent scale. (Execptions: lemon, lime, tcherepnin, and all the -wood scales don't end with -ic.)
# With the exception of mosses named under rule 1, no mosses should be named in a way that they contain additional prefixes such as anti-, sub-, or super-. (Exception: semiquartal bears the semi- prefix, but its mosprefix is chton-.)Other name changes:


* Antipentic -> anpentic; follows names of other small mosses where an- is shortened to anti-.
* Antipentic -> anpentic; follows names of other small mosses where an- is used as a shortened form of anti-.


{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
|+Table of (single-period) mosses with all proposed name changes
|+Table of mosses with all proposed name changes (changed names are shown in bold)
! colspan="18" |Single-period mosses
|-
!Mos
!Mos
!Name
!Name
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| rowspan="16" |1L 1s
| rowspan="16" |1L 1s
| rowspan="16" |trivial
| rowspan="16" |trivial
monowood
| rowspan="11" |1L 2s
| rowspan="11" |1L 2s
| rowspan="11" |antrial
| rowspan="11" |antrial
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| rowspan="6" |pedal
| rowspan="6" |pedal
| rowspan="5" |1L 5s
| rowspan="5" |1L 5s
| rowspan="5" |selenite
| rowspan="5" |'''selenite'''
| rowspan="4" |1L 6s
| rowspan="4" |1L 6s
| rowspan="4" |onyx
| rowspan="4" |'''onyx'''
| rowspan="3" |1L 7s
| rowspan="3" |1L 7s
| rowspan="3" |spinel
| rowspan="3" |'''spinel'''
| rowspan="2" |1L 8s
| rowspan="2" |1L 8s
| rowspan="2" |agate
| rowspan="2" |'''agate'''
|1L 9s
|1L 9s
|olivine
|'''olivine'''
|-
|-
|9L 1s
|9L 1s
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|-
|-
|8L 1s
|8L 1s
|azurtonic
|'''azurtonic'''
| colspan="2" rowspan="14" |
| colspan="2" rowspan="14" |
|-
|-
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|-
|-
|5L 1s
|5L 1s
|mechatonic
|'''mechatonic'''
| colspan="2" rowspan="11" |
| colspan="2" rowspan="11" |
|-
|-
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| rowspan="2" |mosh
| rowspan="2" |mosh
|7L 3s
|7L 3s
|zaltertic
|'''zaltertic'''
|-
|-
|3L 7s
|3L 7s
|sephiratonic
|'''sephiratonic'''
|-
|-
| rowspan="5" |2L 1s
| rowspan="5" |2L 1s
| rowspan="5" |trial
| rowspan="5" |trial
| rowspan="2" |3L 2s
| rowspan="2" |3L 2s
| rowspan="2" |anpentic
| rowspan="2" |'''anpentic'''
|3L 5s
|3L 5s
|checkertonic
|checkertonic
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|-
|-
| rowspan="2" |2L 5s
| rowspan="2" |2L 5s
| rowspan="2" |pelotonic
| rowspan="2" |'''pelotonic'''
|7L 2s
|7L 2s
|armotonic
|'''armotonic'''
|-
|-
|2L 7s
|2L 7s
|balzano
|balzano
|-
! colspan="18" |2-period mosses
|-
!Mos
!Name
!Mos
!Name
!Mos
!Name
!Mos
!Name
| colspan="10" rowspan="6" |
|-
| rowspan="5" |2L 2s
| rowspan="5" |biwood
| rowspan="3" |2L 4s
| rowspan="3" |malic
| rowspan="2" |2L 6s
| rowspan="2" |'''baric'''
|2L 8s
|jaric
|-
|8L 2s
|taric
|-
|6L 2s
|ekic
| colspan="2" rowspan="3" |
|-
| rowspan="2" |4L 2s
| rowspan="2" |citric
|6L 4s
|lemon
|-
|4L 6s
|lime
|-
! colspan="18" |3-period mosses
|-
!Mos
!Name
!Mos
!Name
| colspan="14" rowspan="3" |
|-
| rowspan="2" |3L 3s
| rowspan="2" |triwood
|3L 6s
|tcherepnin
|-
|6L 3s
|hyrulic
|-
! colspan="18" |4-period mosses
|-
!Mos
!Name
| colspan="16" rowspan="2" |
|-
|4L 4s
|tetrawood
|-
! colspan="18" |5-period mosses
|-
!Mos
!Name
| colspan="16" rowspan="2" |
|-
|5L 5s
|pentawood
|}
|}
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