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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">[[toc]] | <div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">[[toc]] | ||
//50edo// divides the [[octave]] into 50 equal parts of precisely 24 [[cent]]s each. In the [[5-limit]], it tempers out 81/80, making it a [[meantone]] system, and in that capacity has historically has drawn some notice. In [[http://lit.gfax.ch/Harmonics%202nd%20Edition%20%28Robert%20Smith%29.pdf|"Harmonics or the Philosophy of Musical Sounds"]] (1759) by Robert Smith, a musical temperament is described where the octave is divided into 50 equal parts - 50edo, in one word. Later W. S. B. Woolhouse noted it was fairly close to the [[Target tunings|least squares]] tuning for 5-limit meantone. | //50edo// divides the [[octave]] into 50 equal parts of precisely 24 [[cent]]s each. In the [[5-limit]], it tempers out 81/80, making it a [[meantone]] system, and in that capacity has historically has drawn some notice. In [[http://lit.gfax.ch/Harmonics%202nd%20Edition%20%28Robert%20Smith%29.pdf|"Harmonics or the Philosophy of Musical Sounds"]] (1759) by Robert Smith, a musical temperament is described where the octave is divided into 50 equal parts - 50edo, in one word. Later, W.S.B. Woolhouse noted it was fairly close to the [[Target tunings|least squares]] tuning for 5-limit meantone. 50edo, however, is especially interesting from a higher limit point of view. While [[31edo]] extends meantone with a [[7_4|7/4]] which is nearly pure, 50 has a flat 7/4 but both [[11_8|11/8]] and [[13_8|13/8]] are nearly pure. | ||
50 tempers out 126/125, 225/224 and 3136/3125 | 50 tempers out 126/125, 225/224 and 3136/3125 in the [[7-limit]], indicating it supports septimal meantone; 245/242, 385/384 and 540/539 in the [[11-limit]] and 105/104, 144/143 and 196/195 in the [[13-limit]], and can be used for even higher limits. Aside from meantone and its extension meanpop, it can be used to advantage for the 15&50 temperament ([[http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=15%2650&limit=11|Coblack]]). It is also the unique equal temperament tempering out both 81/80 and the [[vishnuzma]], 6115295232/6103515625 = |23 6 -14>, so that in 50et seven chromatic semitones are a perfect fourth. In 12et by comparison this gives a fifth, in 31et a doubly diminished fifth, and in 19et a diminished fourth. | ||
[[http://www.archive.org/details/harmonicsorphilo00smit|Robert Smith's book online]] | [[http://www.archive.org/details/harmonicsorphilo00smit|Robert Smith's book online]] | ||
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|| 9 || 216 || 25/22 || [[http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=50%2661p&limit=2.3.5.11.13|Tremka]] || | || 9 || 216 || 25/22 || [[http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=50%2661p&limit=2.3.5.11.13|Tremka]] || | ||
|| 10 || 240 || 8/7, 15/13 || || | || 10 || 240 || 8/7, 15/13 || || | ||
|| 11 || 264 || 7/6 || | || 11 || 264 || 7/6 || [[Marvel temperaments#Septimin|Septimin]] || | ||
|| 12 || 288 || 13/11 || || | || 12 || 288 || 13/11 || || | ||
|| 13 || 312 || 6/5 || || | || 13 || 312 || 6/5 || || | ||
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=Commas= | =Commas= | ||
50 EDO tempers out the following commas. (Note: This assumes the val < 50 79 116 140 173 185 204 212 226 |, comma values | 50 EDO tempers out the following commas. (Note: This assumes the val < 50 79 116 140 173 185 204 212 226 |, comma values in cents orunded to 2 decimal places.) This list is not all-inclusive, and is based on the interval table from Scala version 2.2. | ||
||~ | ||~ Monzo ||~ Cents ||~ Ratio ||~ Name 1 ||~ Name 2 || | ||
|| | -4 4 -1 > ||> 21.51 ||= 81/80 || Syntonic comma || Didymus comma || | || | -4 4 -1 > ||> 21.51 ||= 81/80 || Syntonic comma || Didymus comma || | ||
|| | 23 6 -14 > ||> 3.34 ||= 6115295232/6103515625 || Vishnu comma || || | || | 23 6 -14 > ||> 3.34 ||= 6115295232/6103515625 || Vishnu comma || || | ||
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<span style="display: block; height: 1px; left: -40px; overflow: hidden; position: absolute; top: 5675.5px; width: 1px;">| 23 6 -14 > 3.34 1212717/1210381 Vishnu comma</span> | <span style="display: block; height: 1px; left: -40px; overflow: hidden; position: absolute; top: 5675.5px; width: 1px;">| 23 6 -14 > 3.34 1212717/1210381 Vishnu comma</span> | ||
[[https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4x81rzpkot32qzk/MQ3cJljjkh|50EDO Theory - Intervals, Chords and Scales in 50EDO by Cam Taylor]] | [[https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4x81rzpkot32qzk/MQ3cJljjkh|50EDO Theory - Intervals, Chords and Scales in 50EDO by Cam Taylor]] | ||
<span style="display: block; height: 1px; left: -40px; overflow: hidden; position: absolute; top: 5675.5px; width: 1px;">| 1 2 -3 1 > 13.79 126/125 small septimal comma</span> | <span style="display: block; height: 1px; left: -40px; overflow: hidden; position: absolute; top: 5675.5px; width: 1px;">| 1 2 -3 1 > 13.79 126/125 small septimal comma</span><span style="display: block; height: 1px; left: -40px; overflow: hidden; position: absolute; top: 5675.5px; width: 1px;">| -5 2 2 -1 > 7.71 225/224 septimal kleisma</span> | ||
<span style="display: block; height: 1px; left: -40px; overflow: hidden; position: absolute; top: 5675.5px; width: 1px;">| -5 2 2 -1 > 7.71 225/224 septimal kleisma</span> | |||
[[http://iamcamtaylor.wordpress.com/|iamcamtaylor - Blog on 50EDO and extended meantone theory by Cam Taylor]] | [[http://iamcamtaylor.wordpress.com/|iamcamtaylor - Blog on 50EDO and extended meantone theory by Cam Taylor]] | ||
<span style="display: block; height: 1px; left: -40px; overflow: hidden; position: absolute; top: 5675.5px; width: 1px;">| 6 0 -5 2 > 6.08 3136/3125 middle second comma</span> | <span style="display: block; height: 1px; left: -40px; overflow: hidden; position: absolute; top: 5675.5px; width: 1px;">| 6 0 -5 2 > 6.08 3136/3125 middle second comma</span> | ||
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<span style="display: block; height: 1px; left: -40px; overflow: hidden; position: absolute; top: 5675.5px; width: 1px;">| 3 -2 0 1 -1 -1 0 0 1 > 1.34 1288/1287 triaphonisma</span></pre></div> | <span style="display: block; height: 1px; left: -40px; overflow: hidden; position: absolute; top: 5675.5px; width: 1px;">| 3 -2 0 1 -1 -1 0 0 1 > 1.34 1288/1287 triaphonisma</span></pre></div> | ||
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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html"><html><head><title>50edo</title></head><body><!-- ws:start:WikiTextTocRule: | <div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html"><html><head><title>50edo</title></head><body><!-- ws:start:WikiTextTocRule:8:&lt;img id=&quot;wikitext@@toc@@normal&quot; class=&quot;WikiMedia WikiMediaToc&quot; title=&quot;Table of Contents&quot; src=&quot;/site/embedthumbnail/toc/normal?w=225&amp;h=100&quot;/&gt; --><div id="toc"><h1 class="nopad">Table of Contents</h1><!-- ws:end:WikiTextTocRule:8 --><!-- ws:start:WikiTextTocRule:9: --><div style="margin-left: 1em;"><a href="#Relations">Relations</a></div> | ||
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<!-- ws:end:WikiTextTocRule:13 --><em>50edo</em> divides the <a class="wiki_link" href="/octave">octave</a> into 50 equal parts of precisely 24 <a class="wiki_link" href="/cent">cent</a>s each. In the <a class="wiki_link" href="/5-limit">5-limit</a>, it tempers out 81/80, making it a <a class="wiki_link" href="/meantone">meantone</a> system, and in that capacity has historically has drawn some notice. In <a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://lit.gfax.ch/Harmonics%202nd%20Edition%20%28Robert%20Smith%29.pdf" rel="nofollow">&quot;Harmonics or the Philosophy of Musical Sounds&quot;</a> (1759) by Robert Smith, a musical temperament is described where the octave is divided into 50 equal parts - 50edo, in one word. Later, W.S.B. Woolhouse noted it was fairly close to the <a class="wiki_link" href="/Target%20tunings">least squares</a> tuning for 5-limit meantone. 50edo, however, is especially interesting from a higher limit point of view. While <a class="wiki_link" href="/31edo">31edo</a> extends meantone with a <a class="wiki_link" href="/7_4">7/4</a> which is nearly pure, 50 has a flat 7/4 but both <a class="wiki_link" href="/11_8">11/8</a> and <a class="wiki_link" href="/13_8">13/8</a> are nearly pure.<br /> | |||
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50 tempers out 126/125, 225/224 and 3136/3125 | 50 tempers out 126/125, 225/224 and 3136/3125 in the <a class="wiki_link" href="/7-limit">7-limit</a>, indicating it supports septimal meantone; 245/242, 385/384 and 540/539 in the <a class="wiki_link" href="/11-limit">11-limit</a> and 105/104, 144/143 and 196/195 in the <a class="wiki_link" href="/13-limit">13-limit</a>, and can be used for even higher limits. Aside from meantone and its extension meanpop, it can be used to advantage for the 15&amp;50 temperament (<a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=15%2650&amp;limit=11" rel="nofollow">Coblack</a>). It is also the unique equal temperament tempering out both 81/80 and the <a class="wiki_link" href="/vishnuzma">vishnuzma</a>, 6115295232/6103515625 = |23 6 -14&gt;, so that in 50et seven chromatic semitones are a perfect fourth. In 12et by comparison this gives a fifth, in 31et a doubly diminished fifth, and in 19et a diminished fourth.<br /> | ||
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<a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://www.archive.org/details/harmonicsorphilo00smit" rel="nofollow">Robert Smith's book online</a><br /> | <a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://www.archive.org/details/harmonicsorphilo00smit" rel="nofollow">Robert Smith's book online</a><br /> | ||
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<td>7/6<br /> | <td>7/6<br /> | ||
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<td><br /> | <td><a class="wiki_link" href="/Marvel%20temperaments#Septimin">Septimin</a><br /> | ||
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50 EDO tempers out the following commas. (Note: This assumes the val &lt; 50 79 116 140 173 185 204 212 226 |, comma values | 50 EDO tempers out the following commas. (Note: This assumes the val &lt; 50 79 116 140 173 185 204 212 226 |, comma values in cents orunded to 2 decimal places.) This list is not all-inclusive, and is based on the interval table from Scala version 2.2.<br /> | ||
<table class="wiki_table"> | <table class="wiki_table"> | ||
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<th>< | <th>Monzo<br /> | ||
</th> | </th> | ||
<th>< | <th>Cents<br /> | ||
</th> | </th> | ||
<th | <th>Ratio<br /> | ||
</th> | </th> | ||
<th | <th>Name 1<br /> | ||
</th> | </th> | ||
<th>< | <th>Name 2<br /> | ||
</th> | </th> | ||
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<span style="display: block; height: 1px; left: -40px; overflow: hidden; position: absolute; top: 5675.5px; width: 1px;">| 23 6 -14 &gt; 3.34 1212717/1210381 Vishnu comma</span><br /> | <span style="display: block; height: 1px; left: -40px; overflow: hidden; position: absolute; top: 5675.5px; width: 1px;">| 23 6 -14 &gt; 3.34 1212717/1210381 Vishnu comma</span><br /> | ||
<a class="wiki_link_ext" href="https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4x81rzpkot32qzk/MQ3cJljjkh" rel="nofollow">50EDO Theory - Intervals, Chords and Scales in 50EDO by Cam Taylor</a><br /> | <a class="wiki_link_ext" href="https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4x81rzpkot32qzk/MQ3cJljjkh" rel="nofollow">50EDO Theory - Intervals, Chords and Scales in 50EDO by Cam Taylor</a><br /> | ||
<span style="display: block; height: 1px; left: -40px; overflow: hidden; position: absolute; top: 5675.5px; width: 1px;">| 1 2 -3 1 &gt; 13.79 126/125 small septimal comma</span> | <span style="display: block; height: 1px; left: -40px; overflow: hidden; position: absolute; top: 5675.5px; width: 1px;">| 1 2 -3 1 &gt; 13.79 126/125 small septimal comma</span><span style="display: block; height: 1px; left: -40px; overflow: hidden; position: absolute; top: 5675.5px; width: 1px;">| -5 2 2 -1 &gt; 7.71 225/224 septimal kleisma</span><br /> | ||
<span style="display: block; height: 1px; left: -40px; overflow: hidden; position: absolute; top: 5675.5px; width: 1px;">| -5 2 2 -1 &gt; 7.71 225/224 septimal kleisma</span><br /> | |||
<a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://iamcamtaylor.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">iamcamtaylor - Blog on 50EDO and extended meantone theory by Cam Taylor</a><br /> | <a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://iamcamtaylor.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">iamcamtaylor - Blog on 50EDO and extended meantone theory by Cam Taylor</a><br /> | ||
<span style="display: block; height: 1px; left: -40px; overflow: hidden; position: absolute; top: 5675.5px; width: 1px;">| 6 0 -5 2 &gt; 6.08 3136/3125 middle second comma</span><br /> | <span style="display: block; height: 1px; left: -40px; overflow: hidden; position: absolute; top: 5675.5px; width: 1px;">| 6 0 -5 2 &gt; 6.08 3136/3125 middle second comma</span><br /> |