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::::::::: If we can't agree on a replacement for "val", there seems little point in pursuing the other proposed terminology changes. So, Kite and/or Flora, please explain why you claim that "edomapping" is a suitable replacement for "val" when, as Douglas mentioned, vals need not be related to EDOs at all, e.g. they may be ED3 maps, or as the [[Val]] article says, "It's very common for vals to refer to EDOs specifically, although they also show us how to relate larger chains of generators to JI as well (such as a stack of meantone fifths)". i.e. a val can be a single row of a mapping for a temperament of rank greater than 1, and therefore not directly related to an ED of any kind. And in case that isn't enough, the [[Mapping]] article makes it clear that a "mapping" is a ''list'' of vals, which can be viewed as a matrix. Of course some mappings contain only one val, and so a val could be considered to be a (full-rank) rank-1 mapping. But it would be viciously circular to define a mapping as a list of rank-1 mappings, as seems to be implied by your clam that "edomapping" is synonymous with "val". | ::::::::: If we can't agree on a replacement for "val", there seems little point in pursuing the other proposed terminology changes. So, Kite and/or Flora, please explain why you claim that "edomapping" is a suitable replacement for "val" when, as Douglas mentioned, vals need not be related to EDOs at all, e.g. they may be ED3 maps, or as the [[Val]] article says, "It's very common for vals to refer to EDOs specifically, although they also show us how to relate larger chains of generators to JI as well (such as a stack of meantone fifths)". i.e. a val can be a single row of a mapping for a temperament of rank greater than 1, and therefore not directly related to an ED of any kind. And in case that isn't enough, the [[Mapping]] article makes it clear that a "mapping" is a ''list'' of vals, which can be viewed as a matrix. Of course some mappings contain only one val, and so a val could be considered to be a (full-rank) rank-1 mapping. But it would be viciously circular to define a mapping as a list of rank-1 mappings, as seems to be implied by your clam that "edomapping" is synonymous with "val". | ||
::::::::: And please explain what prevents us from defining "map" in RTT as synonymous with "val", given that the [[Val]] article begins, "A val is a linear map representing ...". I see that [[Map]] currently redirects to [[Mapping]], but I see no reason why it must do so. Why not use the shorter term "map" for the lower-level objects of which mappings are composed? And aren't we more likely to succeed in replacing "val" in people's existing usage, if the replacement has only one syllable, like the original? And "bimap", "trimap", "multimap" work so much better than "biedomapping", "triedomapping", "multiedomapping", as replacements for "bival", "trival" and "multival" in the exterior algebra formulation. | ::::::::: And please explain what prevents us from defining "map" in RTT as synonymous with "val", given that the [[Val]] article begins, "A val is a linear map representing ...". I see that [[Map]] currently redirects to [[Mapping]], but I see no reason why it must do so. Why not use the shorter term "map" for the lower-level objects of which mappings are composed? And aren't we more likely to succeed in replacing "val" in people's existing usage, if the replacement has only one syllable, like the original? And "bimap", "trimap", "multimap" work so much better than "biedomapping", "triedomapping", "multiedomapping", as replacements for "bival", "trival" and "multival" in the exterior algebra formulation. --[[User:Dave Keenan|Dave Keenan]] ([[User talk:Dave Keenan|talk]]) 04:40, 5 October 2021 (UTC) | ||
== proposal to rename "generalize patent val" to "uniform map" == | == proposal to rename "generalize patent val" to "uniform map" == | ||