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==Representations of Just Intervals== | ==Representations of Just Intervals== | ||
|| Degree || Cents || | || Degree || Cents || 5L3s Notation || Nearest Ratio || Error || 17-Limit Ratios* || | ||
|| 0 || 0 ||= C || 1/1 || 0 ||< 1/1 || | |||
|| 1 || 66.67 ||= Db || 27/26 || +1.329 ||< 78/75, 75/72 || | |||
|| 0 || 0 ||= C | || 2 || 133.33 ||= C# || 27/25 || +0.096 ||< 51/55, 42/39 || | ||
|| 1 || 66.67 ||= Db | || 3 || 200 ||= D || 9/8 || -3.910 ||< 9/8 || | ||
|| 4 || 266.67 ||= Eb || 7/6 || -0.204 ||< 75/64 || | |||
|| 2 || 133.33 ||= C# | || 5 || 333.33 ||= D# || 17/14 or 40/33 || -2.796 +0.293 ||< 39/32 || | ||
|| 3 || 200 ||= D | || 6 || 400 ||= E || 5/4 or 44/35 || +13.686 +3.822 ||< 64/55 || | ||
|| 4 || 266.67 ||= Eb | || 7 || 466.67 ||= F || 21/16 || -4.114 ||< 21/16 || | ||
|| 8 || 533.33 ||= Gb || 15/11 || -3.617 ||< 102/75 || | |||
|| 5 || 333.33 ||= D# | || 9 || 600 ||= F# || 17/12 or 24/17 || -3.000 +3.000 ||< 17/12 || | ||
|| 6 || 400 ||= E | || 10 || 666.67 ||= G || 22/15 || +3.617 ||< 75/51 || | ||
|| 11 || 733.33 ||= Hb || 32/21 || +4.114 ||< 32/21 || | |||
|| 7 || 466.67 ||= F | || 12 || 800 ||= G# || 8/5 or 35/22 || -13.686 -3.822 ||< 51/32 || | ||
|| 13 || 866.67 ||= H || 28/17 or 33/20 || +2.796 -0.293 ||< 64/39 || | |||
|| 8 || 533.33 ||= Gb | || 14 || 933.33 ||= A || 12/7 || +0.204 ||< 55/32 || | ||
|| 9 || 600 ||= F# | || 15 || 1000 ||= Bb || 16/9 || +3.910 ||< 16/9 || | ||
|| 16 || 1066.67 ||= A# || 50/27 || -0.096 ||< 39/21 || | |||
|| 10 || 666.67 ||= G | || 17 || 1133.33 ||= B || 52/27 || -1.329 ||< 75/39 || | ||
|| 11 || 733.33 ||= Hb | || 18 || 1200 ||= C || 2/1 || 0 ||< 2/1** || | ||
|| 12 || 800 ||= G# | |||
|| 13 || 866.67 ||= H | |||
|| 14 || 933.33 ||= A | |||
|| 15 || 1000 ||= Bb | |||
|| 16 || 1066.67 ||= A# | |||
|| 17 || 1133.33 ||= B | |||
|| 18 || 1200 ||= C | |||
*based on the above description of 18-EDO as a 2.9.75.21.55.39.51 subgroup temperament | *based on the above description of 18-EDO as a 2.9.75.21.55.39.51 subgroup temperament | ||
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=[[#Notation]]Notation= | =[[#Notation]]Notation= | ||
18edo can | 18edo can be notated with ups and downs. The notational 5th is the 2nd-best approximation of 3/2, 10\18. This is only 4¢ worse that the best approximation. Using this 5th allows conventional notation to be used, including the staff, note names, relative notation, etc. There are two ways to do this. | ||
The second | The first way preserves the __melodic__ meaning of sharp/flat, major/minor and aug/dim, in that sharp is higher pitched than flat, and major/aug is wider than minor/dim. The disadvantage to this approach is that conventional interval arithmetic no longer works. e.g. M2 + M2 isn't M3, and D + M2 isn't E. Chord names are different because C - E - G isn't P1 - M3 - P5. | ||
The second way preserves the __harmonic__ meaning of sharp/flat, major/minor and aug/dim, in that the former is always further fifthwards on the chain of fifths than the latter. Sharp is lower in pitch than flat, and major/aug is narrower than minor/dim. While this approach may seem bizarre at first, interval arithmetic and chord names work as usual. Furthermore, conventional 12edo music can be directly translated to 18edo "on the fly". | |||
||= Degree ||= Cents ||||||= [[xenharmonic/Ups and Downs Notation|Up/down notation]] using the narrow 5th of 10\18, | ||= Degree ||= Cents ||||||= [[xenharmonic/Ups and Downs Notation|Up/down notation]] using the narrow 5th of 10\18, | ||
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||= 9 ||= 600 ||= up 4th, down 5th ||= ^4, v5 ||= G^, Av ||= up 4th, down 5th ||= ^4, v5 ||= G^, Av || | ||= 9 ||= 600 ||= up 4th, down 5th ||= ^4, v5 ||= G^, Av ||= up 4th, down 5th ||= ^4, v5 ||= G^, Av || | ||
||= 10 ||= 667 ||= perfect 5th ||= P5 ||= A ||= perfect 5th ||= P5 ||= A || | ||= 10 ||= 667 ||= perfect 5th ||= P5 ||= A ||= perfect 5th ||= P5 ||= A || | ||
||= 11 ||= 733 ||= up 5th ||= ^5, vm6 ||= A^, Bv ||= up fifth, downmajor 6th ||= ^5, vM6 ||= A^, Bv || | ||= 11 ||= 733 ||= up 5th, downminor 6th ||= ^5, vm6 ||= A^, Bv ||= up fifth, downmajor 6th ||= ^5, vM6 ||= A^, Bv || | ||
||= 12 ||= 800 ||= minor 6th ||= m6 ||= B ||= major 6th ||= M6 ||= B || | ||= 12 ||= 800 ||= minor 6th ||= m6 ||= B ||= major 6th ||= M6 ||= B || | ||
||= 13 ||= 867 ||= mid 6th ||= ~6 ||= B^ ||= mid 6th ||= ~6 ||= B^ || | ||= 13 ||= 867 ||= mid 6th ||= ~6 ||= B^ ||= mid 6th ||= ~6 ||= B^ || | ||
||= 14 ||= 933 ||= major 6th, minor 7th ||= M6, m7 ||= B#, Cb ||= minor 6th, major 7th ||= m6, M7 ||= Bb, C# || | ||= 14 ||= 933 ||= major 6th, minor 7th ||= M6, m7 ||= B#, Cb ||= minor 6th, major 7th ||= m6, M7 ||= Bb, C# || | ||
||= 15 ||= 1000 ||= mid 7th ||= ~7 ||= Cv ||= mid 7th ||= ~7 ||= Cv || | ||= 15 ||= 1000 ||= mid 7th ||= ~7 ||= Cv ||= mid 7th ||= ~7 ||= Cv || | ||
||= 16 ||= 1067 ||= major 7th ||= M7 ||= C ||= minor 7th ||= m7 | ||= 16 ||= 1067 ||= major 7th ||= M7 ||= C ||= minor 7th ||= m7 ||= C || | ||
||= 17 ||= 1133 ||= upmajor 7th, down 8ve ||= ^M7, v8 ||= C^, Dv ||= upminor 7th, down 8ve ||= ^m7, v8 ||= C^, Dv || | ||= 17 ||= 1133 ||= upmajor 7th, down 8ve ||= ^M7, v8 ||= C^, Dv ||= upminor 7th, down 8ve ||= ^m7, v8 ||= C^, Dv || | ||
||= 18 ||= 1200 ||= perfect 8ve ||= P8 ||= D ||= perfect 8ve ||= P8 ||= D || | ||= 18 ||= 1200 ||= perfect 8ve ||= P8 ||= D ||= perfect 8ve ||= P8 ||= D || | ||
For alternative notations, see [[xenharmonic/Ups and Downs Notation#Summary%20of%20EDO%20notation-%22Supersharp%22%20EDOs|Ups and Downs Notation -"Supersharp" EDOs]] (pentatonic and nonatonic fifth-generated) and [[xenharmonic/Ups and Downs Notation#Natural%20Generators|Ups and Downs Notation - Natural Generators]] (heptatonic third-generated). | |||
==<span style="font-size: 1.3em;">Useful Moment-of-Symmetry Scales</span>== | ==<span style="font-size: 1.3em;">Useful Moment-of-Symmetry Scales</span>== | ||
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<td>Cents<br /> | <td>Cents<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td | <td>5L3s Notation<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>Nearest Ratio<br /> | <td>Nearest Ratio<br /> | ||
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<td>Error<br /> | <td>Error<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td | <td>17-Limit Ratios*<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
</tr> | </tr> | ||
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</td> | </td> | ||
<td style="text-align: center;">C<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">C<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>1/1<br /> | <td>1/1<br /> | ||
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</td> | </td> | ||
<td style="text-align: center;">Db<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">Db<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>27/26<br /> | <td>27/26<br /> | ||
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</td> | </td> | ||
<td style="text-align: center;">C#<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">C#<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>27/25<br /> | <td>27/25<br /> | ||
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</td> | </td> | ||
<td style="text-align: center;">D<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">D<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>9/8<br /> | <td>9/8<br /> | ||
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</td> | </td> | ||
<td style="text-align: center;">Eb<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">Eb<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>7/6<br /> | <td>7/6<br /> | ||
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</td> | </td> | ||
<td style="text-align: center;">D#<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">D#<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>17/14 or 40/33<br /> | <td>17/14 or 40/33<br /> | ||
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</td> | </td> | ||
<td style="text-align: center;">E<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">E<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>5/4 or 44/35<br /> | <td>5/4 or 44/35<br /> | ||
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</td> | </td> | ||
<td style="text-align: center;">F<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">F<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>21/16<br /> | <td>21/16<br /> | ||
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</td> | </td> | ||
<td style="text-align: center;">Gb<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">Gb<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>15/11<br /> | <td>15/11<br /> | ||
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</td> | </td> | ||
<td style="text-align: center;">F#<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">F#<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>17/12 or 24/17<br /> | <td>17/12 or 24/17<br /> | ||
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</td> | </td> | ||
<td style="text-align: center;">G<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">G<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>22/15<br /> | <td>22/15<br /> | ||
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</td> | </td> | ||
<td style="text-align: center;">Hb<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">Hb<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>32/21<br /> | <td>32/21<br /> | ||
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</td> | </td> | ||
<td style="text-align: center;">G#<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">G#<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>8/5 or 35/22<br /> | <td>8/5 or 35/22<br /> | ||
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</td> | </td> | ||
<td style="text-align: center;">H<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">H<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>28/17 or 33/20<br /> | <td>28/17 or 33/20<br /> | ||
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</td> | </td> | ||
<td style="text-align: center;">A<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">A<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>12/7<br /> | <td>12/7<br /> | ||
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</td> | </td> | ||
<td style="text-align: center;">Bb<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">Bb<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>16/9<br /> | <td>16/9<br /> | ||
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</td> | </td> | ||
<td style="text-align: center;">A#<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">A#<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>50/27<br /> | <td>50/27<br /> | ||
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</td> | </td> | ||
<td style="text-align: center;">B<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">B<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>52/27<br /> | <td>52/27<br /> | ||
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</td> | </td> | ||
<td style="text-align: center;">C<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">C<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>2/1<br /> | <td>2/1<br /> | ||
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18edo can | 18edo can be notated with ups and downs. The notational 5th is the 2nd-best approximation of 3/2, 10\18. This is only 4¢ worse that the best approximation. Using this 5th allows conventional notation to be used, including the staff, note names, relative notation, etc. There are two ways to do this. <br /> | ||
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The first way preserves the <u>melodic</u> meaning of sharp/flat, major/minor and aug/dim, in that sharp is higher pitched than flat, and major/aug is wider than minor/dim. The disadvantage to this approach is that conventional interval arithmetic no longer works. e.g. M2 + M2 isn't M3, and D + M2 isn't E. Chord names are different because C - E - G isn't P1 - M3 - P5.<br /> | |||
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The second | The second way preserves the <u>harmonic</u> meaning of sharp/flat, major/minor and aug/dim, in that the former is always further fifthwards on the chain of fifths than the latter. Sharp is lower in pitch than flat, and major/aug is narrower than minor/dim. While this approach may seem bizarre at first, interval arithmetic and chord names work as usual. Furthermore, conventional 12edo music can be directly translated to 18edo &quot;on the fly&quot;.<br /> | ||
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<td style="text-align: center;">733<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">733<br /> | ||
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<td style="text-align: center;">up 5th<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">up 5th, downminor 6th<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td style="text-align: center;">^5, vm6<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">^5, vm6<br /> | ||
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<td style="text-align: center;">minor 7th<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">minor 7th<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td style="text-align: center;">m7 | <td style="text-align: center;">m7<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td style="text-align: center;">C<br /> | <td style="text-align: center;">C<br /> | ||
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For alternative notations, see <a class="wiki_link" href="http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/Ups%20and%20Downs%20Notation#Summary%20of%20EDO%20notation-%22Supersharp%22%20EDOs">Ups and Downs Notation -&quot;Supersharp&quot; EDOs</a> (pentatonic and nonatonic fifth-generated) and <a class="wiki_link" href="http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/Ups%20and%20Downs%20Notation#Natural%20Generators">Ups and Downs Notation - Natural Generators</a> (heptatonic third-generated).<br /> | |||
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