18edo: Difference between revisions
Wikispaces>TallKite **Imported revision 602810482 - Original comment: ** |
Wikispaces>igliashon **Imported revision 611274649 - Original comment: ** |
||
| Line 1: | Line 1: | ||
<h2>IMPORTED REVISION FROM WIKISPACES</h2> | <h2>IMPORTED REVISION FROM WIKISPACES</h2> | ||
This is an imported revision from Wikispaces. The revision metadata is included below for reference:<br> | This is an imported revision from Wikispaces. The revision metadata is included below for reference:<br> | ||
: This revision was by author [[User: | : This revision was by author [[User:igliashon|igliashon]] and made on <tt>2017-04-22 17:40:47 UTC</tt>.<br> | ||
: The original revision id was <tt> | : The original revision id was <tt>611274649</tt>.<br> | ||
: The revision comment was: <tt></tt><br> | : The revision comment was: <tt></tt><br> | ||
The revision contents are below, presented both in the original Wikispaces Wikitext format, and in HTML exactly as Wikispaces rendered it.<br> | The revision contents are below, presented both in the original Wikispaces Wikitext format, and in HTML exactly as Wikispaces rendered it.<br> | ||
| Line 18: | Line 18: | ||
In order to access the excellent consonances actually available, one must take a considerably "non-common-practice" approach, meaning to avoid the usual closed-voice "root-3rd-5th" type of chord and instead use chords which are either more compressed or more stretched out. 18-EDO may be treated as a temperament of the 17-limit [[k*N subgroups|4*18 subgroup]] [[Just intonation subgroups|just intonation subgroup]] 2.9.75.21.55.39.51. On this subgroup it tempers out exactly the same commas as 72 does on the full [[17-limit]], and gives precisely the same tunings. The subgroup can be put into a single chord, for example 32:36:39:42:51:55:64:75 (in terms of 18edo, 0-3-5-7-12-14-18-22), and transpositions and inversions of this chord or its subchords provide plenty of harmonic resources. | In order to access the excellent consonances actually available, one must take a considerably "non-common-practice" approach, meaning to avoid the usual closed-voice "root-3rd-5th" type of chord and instead use chords which are either more compressed or more stretched out. 18-EDO may be treated as a temperament of the 17-limit [[k*N subgroups|4*18 subgroup]] [[Just intonation subgroups|just intonation subgroup]] 2.9.75.21.55.39.51. On this subgroup it tempers out exactly the same commas as 72 does on the full [[17-limit]], and gives precisely the same tunings. The subgroup can be put into a single chord, for example 32:36:39:42:51:55:64:75 (in terms of 18edo, 0-3-5-7-12-14-18-22), and transpositions and inversions of this chord or its subchords provide plenty of harmonic resources. | ||
However, less accurate approximations can be used | However, less accurate approximations can be used, and 18edo can be treated as a 7-limit exotemperament with the mapping <18 29 42 51|. This maps 3/2 to 733.33¢ and 7/4 to 1000¢; as a result, 28/27 is tempered out, and weird things happen: 9/8 and 7/6 are both mapped to 266.67¢, while 8/7 gets mapped below both of them to 200¢, making for a rather disordered 7-limit tonality diamond, but hey, whatever floats your boat! | ||
18-EDO contains sub-EDOs [[2edo|2]], [[3edo|3]], [[6edo|6]], and [[9edo|9]], and itself is half of [[36edo|36-EDO]] and one-fourth of [[72edo|72-EDO]]. It bears some similarities to [[13edo|13-EDO]] (with its very flat 4ths and nice subminor 3rds), [[11edo|11-EDO]] (with its very sharp minor 3rds, two of which span a very flat 5th), 16-EDO (with its sharp 4ths and flat 5ths), and 17-EDO and 19-EDO (with its narrow semitone, three of which comprise a whole-tone). It is an excellent tuning for those seeking a forceful deviation from the common practice. | 18-EDO contains sub-EDOs [[2edo|2]], [[3edo|3]], [[6edo|6]], and [[9edo|9]], and itself is half of [[36edo|36-EDO]] and one-fourth of [[72edo|72-EDO]]. It bears some similarities to [[13edo|13-EDO]] (with its very flat 4ths and nice subminor 3rds), [[11edo|11-EDO]] (with its very sharp minor 3rds, two of which span a very flat 5th), 16-EDO (with its sharp 4ths and flat 5ths), and 17-EDO and 19-EDO (with its narrow semitone, three of which comprise a whole-tone). It is an excellent tuning for those seeking a forceful deviation from the common practice. | ||
| Line 48: | Line 48: | ||
=[[#Notation]]Notation= | =[[#Notation]]Notation= | ||
18edo can be notated with ups and downs. The notational 5th is the 2nd-best approximation of 3/2, 10\18. This is only 4¢ worse that the best approximation. Using this 5th allows conventional notation to be used, including the staff, note names, relative notation, etc. There are two ways to do this. | 18edo can be notated with ups and downs. The notational 5th is the 2nd-best approximation of 3/2, 10\18. This is only 4¢ worse that the best approximation. Using this 5th allows conventional notation to be used, including the staff, note names, relative notation, etc. There are two ways to do this. | ||
The first way preserves the __melodic__ meaning of sharp/flat, major/minor and aug/dim, in that sharp is higher pitched than flat, and major/aug is wider than minor/dim. The disadvantage to this approach is that conventional interval arithmetic no longer works. e.g. M2 + M2 isn't M3, and D + M2 isn't E. Chord names are different because C - E - G isn't P1 - M3 - P5. | The first way preserves the __melodic__ meaning of sharp/flat, major/minor and aug/dim, in that sharp is higher pitched than flat, and major/aug is wider than minor/dim. The disadvantage to this approach is that conventional interval arithmetic no longer works. e.g. M2 + M2 isn't M3, and D + M2 isn't E. Chord names are different because C - E - G isn't P1 - M3 - P5. | ||
| Line 138: | Line 138: | ||
In order to access the excellent consonances actually available, one must take a considerably &quot;non-common-practice&quot; approach, meaning to avoid the usual closed-voice &quot;root-3rd-5th&quot; type of chord and instead use chords which are either more compressed or more stretched out. 18-EDO may be treated as a temperament of the 17-limit <a class="wiki_link" href="/k%2AN%20subgroups">4*18 subgroup</a> <a class="wiki_link" href="/Just%20intonation%20subgroups">just intonation subgroup</a> 2.9.75.21.55.39.51. On this subgroup it tempers out exactly the same commas as 72 does on the full <a class="wiki_link" href="/17-limit">17-limit</a>, and gives precisely the same tunings. The subgroup can be put into a single chord, for example 32:36:39:42:51:55:64:75 (in terms of 18edo, 0-3-5-7-12-14-18-22), and transpositions and inversions of this chord or its subchords provide plenty of harmonic resources.<br /> | In order to access the excellent consonances actually available, one must take a considerably &quot;non-common-practice&quot; approach, meaning to avoid the usual closed-voice &quot;root-3rd-5th&quot; type of chord and instead use chords which are either more compressed or more stretched out. 18-EDO may be treated as a temperament of the 17-limit <a class="wiki_link" href="/k%2AN%20subgroups">4*18 subgroup</a> <a class="wiki_link" href="/Just%20intonation%20subgroups">just intonation subgroup</a> 2.9.75.21.55.39.51. On this subgroup it tempers out exactly the same commas as 72 does on the full <a class="wiki_link" href="/17-limit">17-limit</a>, and gives precisely the same tunings. The subgroup can be put into a single chord, for example 32:36:39:42:51:55:64:75 (in terms of 18edo, 0-3-5-7-12-14-18-22), and transpositions and inversions of this chord or its subchords provide plenty of harmonic resources.<br /> | ||
<br /> | <br /> | ||
However, less accurate approximations can be used | However, less accurate approximations can be used, and 18edo can be treated as a 7-limit exotemperament with the mapping &lt;18 29 42 51|. This maps 3/2 to 733.33¢ and 7/4 to 1000¢; as a result, 28/27 is tempered out, and weird things happen: 9/8 and 7/6 are both mapped to 266.67¢, while 8/7 gets mapped below both of them to 200¢, making for a rather disordered 7-limit tonality diamond, but hey, whatever floats your boat!<br /> | ||
<br /> | <br /> | ||
18-EDO contains sub-EDOs <a class="wiki_link" href="/2edo">2</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/3edo">3</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/6edo">6</a>, and <a class="wiki_link" href="/9edo">9</a>, and itself is half of <a class="wiki_link" href="/36edo">36-EDO</a> and one-fourth of <a class="wiki_link" href="/72edo">72-EDO</a>. It bears some similarities to <a class="wiki_link" href="/13edo">13-EDO</a> (with its very flat 4ths and nice subminor 3rds), <a class="wiki_link" href="/11edo">11-EDO</a> (with its very sharp minor 3rds, two of which span a very flat 5th), 16-EDO (with its sharp 4ths and flat 5ths), and 17-EDO and 19-EDO (with its narrow semitone, three of which comprise a whole-tone). It is an excellent tuning for those seeking a forceful deviation from the common practice.<br /> | 18-EDO contains sub-EDOs <a class="wiki_link" href="/2edo">2</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/3edo">3</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/6edo">6</a>, and <a class="wiki_link" href="/9edo">9</a>, and itself is half of <a class="wiki_link" href="/36edo">36-EDO</a> and one-fourth of <a class="wiki_link" href="/72edo">72-EDO</a>. It bears some similarities to <a class="wiki_link" href="/13edo">13-EDO</a> (with its very flat 4ths and nice subminor 3rds), <a class="wiki_link" href="/11edo">11-EDO</a> (with its very sharp minor 3rds, two of which span a very flat 5th), 16-EDO (with its sharp 4ths and flat 5ths), and 17-EDO and 19-EDO (with its narrow semitone, three of which comprise a whole-tone). It is an excellent tuning for those seeking a forceful deviation from the common practice.<br /> | ||
| Line 433: | Line 433: | ||
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:4:&lt;h1&gt; --><h1 id="toc2"><a name="Notation"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:4 --><!-- ws:start:WikiTextAnchorRule:38:&lt;img src=&quot;/i/anchor.gif&quot; class=&quot;WikiAnchor&quot; alt=&quot;Anchor&quot; id=&quot;wikitext@@anchor@@Notation&quot; title=&quot;Anchor: Notation&quot;/&gt; --><a name="Notation"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextAnchorRule:38 -->Notation</h1> | <!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:4:&lt;h1&gt; --><h1 id="toc2"><a name="Notation"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:4 --><!-- ws:start:WikiTextAnchorRule:38:&lt;img src=&quot;/i/anchor.gif&quot; class=&quot;WikiAnchor&quot; alt=&quot;Anchor&quot; id=&quot;wikitext@@anchor@@Notation&quot; title=&quot;Anchor: Notation&quot;/&gt; --><a name="Notation"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextAnchorRule:38 -->Notation</h1> | ||
<br /> | <br /> | ||
18edo can be notated with ups and downs. The notational 5th is the 2nd-best approximation of 3/2, 10\18. This is only 4¢ worse that the best approximation. Using this 5th allows conventional notation to be used, including the staff, note names, relative notation, etc. There are two ways to do this. <br /> | 18edo can be notated with ups and downs. The notational 5th is the 2nd-best approximation of 3/2, 10\18. This is only 4¢ worse that the best approximation. Using this 5th allows conventional notation to be used, including the staff, note names, relative notation, etc. There are two ways to do this.<br /> | ||
<br /> | <br /> | ||
The first way preserves the <u>melodic</u> meaning of sharp/flat, major/minor and aug/dim, in that sharp is higher pitched than flat, and major/aug is wider than minor/dim. The disadvantage to this approach is that conventional interval arithmetic no longer works. e.g. M2 + M2 isn't M3, and D + M2 isn't E. Chord names are different because C - E - G isn't P1 - M3 - P5.<br /> | The first way preserves the <u>melodic</u> meaning of sharp/flat, major/minor and aug/dim, in that sharp is higher pitched than flat, and major/aug is wider than minor/dim. The disadvantage to this approach is that conventional interval arithmetic no longer works. e.g. M2 + M2 isn't M3, and D + M2 isn't E. Chord names are different because C - E - G isn't P1 - M3 - P5.<br /> | ||