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**16-EDO** is the [[equal division of the octave]] into sixteen narrow chromatic semitones each of 75 [[cent]]s exactly. It is not especially good at representing most low-integer musical intervals, but it has a [[7_4|7/4]] which is six cents sharp, and a [[5_4|5/4]] which is eleven cents flat. Four steps of it gives the 300 cent minor third interval, the same of that 12-EDO, giving it four diminished seventh chords exactly like those of [[12edo|12-EDO]], and a diminished triad on each scale step.
**16-EDO** is the [[equal division of the octave]] into sixteen narrow chromatic semitones each of 75 [[cent]]s exactly. It is not especially good at representing most low-integer musical intervals, but it has a [[7_4|7/4]] which is six cents sharp, and a [[5_4|5/4]] which is eleven cents flat. Four steps of it gives the 300 cent minor third interval, the same of that 12-EDO, giving it four diminished seventh chords exactly like those of [[12edo|12-EDO]], and a diminished triad on each scale step.


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Ratios* || Interval Name ||
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*based on treating 16-EDO as a 2.5.7.13.19.27 subgroup temperament; other approaches are possible.
*based on treating 16-EDO as a 2.5.7.13.19.27 subgroup temperament; other approaches are possible.


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and the "fourth" is the same as the distance between the "fourth" and the "fifth" (i.e. near a 12/11)...This mean(s) that
and the "fourth" is the same as the distance between the "fourth" and the "fifth" (i.e. near a 12/11)...This mean(s) that
135/128 (the difference between 16/15 and 9/8) is tempered out...."
135/128 (the difference between 16/15 and 9/8) is tempered out...."
==Harmonizing Mavila/Armodue in 16 EDO==
Because 16 edo doesn't approximate 3/2 well at all, triadic harmony based on thirds isn't a good option.
However triadic harmony can be based on on sevenths rather than thirds. For instance, 16 edo approximates 7/4 well enough to use
it in place of the usual 3/2. A triad can then be constructed by adding another seventh on top producing two possibilities for asymmetric
sevenths triads. a small one: 0-975-1050 called hard and a large one: 0-1050-975 called soft. In addition two other symmetrical triads
0-975-975 and 0-1050-1050 are also obvious possible chords.
Their characteristic metallic sound has earned them the name "Metallic triads".
===MOS that support metallic harmony===
Mavila 7 contains two hard triads on degrees 1 and 4 and two soft triads on degrees 2 and 6. The other three chords
are wide symmetrical triads 0-1050-1050. Mavila 9 introduced two more soft triads while the Wilson scale introduces two more hard triads.
See Metallic Harmony


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&lt;strong&gt;16-EDO&lt;/strong&gt; is the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/equal%20division%20of%20the%20octave"&gt;equal division of the octave&lt;/a&gt; into sixteen narrow chromatic semitones each of 75 &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/cent"&gt;cent&lt;/a&gt;s exactly. It is not especially good at representing most low-integer musical intervals, but it has a &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/7_4"&gt;7/4&lt;/a&gt; which is six cents sharp, and a &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/5_4"&gt;5/4&lt;/a&gt; which is eleven cents flat. Four steps of it gives the 300 cent minor third interval, the same of that 12-EDO, giving it four diminished seventh chords exactly like those of &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/12edo"&gt;12-EDO&lt;/a&gt;, and a diminished triad on each scale step.&lt;br /&gt;
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Another interesting approach can include two interwoven &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/8edo"&gt;8-EDO&lt;/a&gt; scales (narrow 12/11 neutral seconds). There are two major seventh intervals, a harmonic seventh at step 13\16, a 7/4 ratio approximation, sharp by 6.174 cents, followed by an undecimal 11/6 ratio or neutral seventh (which is mapped in 16's &lt;strong&gt;Mavila&lt;/strong&gt; as a major seventh). If we take the 300-cent minor third as an approximation of the harmonic 19th (&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/19_16"&gt;19/16&lt;/a&gt;, approximately 297.5 cents), that adds another overtone which can combine with the approximation of the harmonic seventh to form a 16:19:28 triad (pictured below).&lt;br /&gt;
Another interesting approach can include two interwoven &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/8edo"&gt;8-EDO&lt;/a&gt; scales (narrow 12/11 neutral seconds). There are two major seventh intervals, a harmonic seventh at step 13\16, a 7/4 ratio approximation, sharp by 6.174 cents, followed by an undecimal 11/6 ratio or neutral seventh (which is mapped in 16's &lt;strong&gt;Mavila&lt;/strong&gt; as a major seventh). If we take the 300-cent minor third as an approximation of the harmonic 19th (&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/19_16"&gt;19/16&lt;/a&gt;, approximately 297.5 cents), that adds another overtone which can combine with the approximation of the harmonic seventh to form a 16:19:28 triad (pictured below).&lt;br /&gt;
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The interval between the 28th &amp;amp; 19th overtones, 28:19, measures approximately 671.3 cents, which is 3.7 cents away from 16edo's &amp;quot;narrow fifth&amp;quot;. Another voicing for this chord is 14:16:19, which features 19:14 as the outer interval (528.7 cents just, 525.0 cents in 16edo). A perhaps more consonant open voicing is 7:16:19.&lt;br /&gt;
The interval between the 28th &amp;amp; 19th overtones, 28:19, measures approximately 671.3 cents, which is 3.7 cents away from 16edo's &amp;quot;narrow fifth&amp;quot;. Another voicing for this chord is 14:16:19, which features 19:14 as the outer interval (528.7 cents just, 525.0 cents in 16edo). A perhaps more consonant open voicing is 7:16:19.&lt;br /&gt;
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16-EDO notation can be easy utilizing Goldsmith's Circle of keys, nominals, and respective notation. The nominals for a 6 line staff can be switched for Wilson's Beta and Epsilon additions to A-G. Armodue of Italy uses a 4-line staff for 16-EDO.&lt;br /&gt;
16-EDO notation can be easy utilizing Goldsmith's Circle of keys, nominals, and respective notation. The nominals for a 6 line staff can be switched for Wilson's Beta and Epsilon additions to A-G. Armodue of Italy uses a 4-line staff for 16-EDO.&lt;br /&gt;
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In 16-EDO diatonic scales are dissonant and &amp;quot;shimmery&amp;quot; because of the 25 cent raised superfourth in conjunction with the 25 cent subtracted fifth / poor 3/2 approximation. Scales like the Harmonic Minor scale in 16-EDO require 4 step sizes.&lt;br /&gt;
In 16-EDO diatonic scales are dissonant and &amp;quot;shimmery&amp;quot; because of the 25 cent raised superfourth in conjunction with the 25 cent subtracted fifth / poor 3/2 approximation. Scales like the Harmonic Minor scale in 16-EDO require 4 step sizes.&lt;br /&gt;
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Because 16 edo doesn't approximate 3/2 well at all, triadic harmony based on thirds isn't a good option.&lt;br /&gt;
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it in place of the usual 3/2. A triad can then be constructed by adding another seventh on top producing two possibilities for asymmetric&lt;br /&gt;
sevenths triads. a small one: 0-975-1050 called hard and a large one: 0-1050-975 called soft. In addition two other symmetrical triads&lt;br /&gt;
0-975-975 and 0-1050-1050 are also obvious possible chords. &lt;br /&gt;
Their characteristic metallic sound has earned them the name &amp;quot;Metallic triads&amp;quot;. &lt;br /&gt;
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Mavila 7 contains two hard triads on degrees 1 and 4 and two soft triads on degrees 2 and 6. The other three chords &lt;br /&gt;
are wide symmetrical triads 0-1050-1050. Mavila 9 introduced two more soft triads while the Wilson scale introduces two more hard triads. &lt;br /&gt;
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  16 EDO &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/tempering%20out"&gt;tempers out&lt;/a&gt; the following &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/comma"&gt;comma&lt;/a&gt;s. (Note: This assumes &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/val"&gt;val&lt;/a&gt; &amp;lt; 16 25 37 45 55 59 |.)&lt;br /&gt;


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  &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://www.armodue.com/ricerche.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Armodue&lt;/a&gt;: Italian pages of theory for 16-tone (esadekaphonic) system, including compositions.&lt;br /&gt;
  &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://www.armodue.com/ricerche.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Armodue&lt;/a&gt;: Italian pages of theory for 16-tone (esadekaphonic) system, including compositions.&lt;br /&gt;
Translations of parts of the Armodue pages can be found &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Armodue"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; on this wiki.&lt;br /&gt;
Translations of parts of the Armodue pages can be found &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Armodue"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; on this wiki.&lt;br /&gt;
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  Sword, Ronald. &amp;quot;Thesaurus of Melodic Patterns and Intervals for 16-Tones&amp;quot; IAAA Press, USA. First Ed: August, 2011&lt;br /&gt;
  Sword, Ronald. &amp;quot;Thesaurus of Melodic Patterns and Intervals for 16-Tones&amp;quot; IAAA Press, USA. First Ed: August, 2011&lt;br /&gt;
Sword, Ronald. &amp;quot;Hexadecaphonic Scales for Guitar.&amp;quot; IAAA Press, UK-USA. First Ed: Feb, 2010. (superfourth tuning)&lt;br /&gt;
Sword, Ronald. &amp;quot;Hexadecaphonic Scales for Guitar.&amp;quot; IAAA Press, UK-USA. First Ed: Feb, 2010. (superfourth tuning)&lt;br /&gt;
Sword, Ronald. &amp;quot;Esadekaphonic Scales for Guitar.&amp;quot; IAAA Press, UK-USA. First Ed: April, 2009. (semi-diminished fourth tuning)&lt;br /&gt;
Sword, Ronald. &amp;quot;Esadekaphonic Scales for Guitar.&amp;quot; IAAA Press, UK-USA. First Ed: April, 2009. (semi-diminished fourth tuning)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:23:&amp;lt;h1&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h1 id="toc10"&gt;&lt;a name="Compositions"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:23 --&gt;Compositions&lt;/h1&gt;
  &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=660895&amp;amp;songID=12370649&amp;amp;showPlayer=true" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;Prenestyna Highway&lt;/a&gt; by &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://fiale.tk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;Fabrizio Fulvio Fausto Fiale&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
  &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=660895&amp;amp;songID=12370649&amp;amp;showPlayer=true" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;Prenestyna Highway&lt;/a&gt; by &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://fiale.tk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;Fabrizio Fulvio Fausto Fiale&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://lastsacrament.bandcamp.com/album/enantiodromia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;Enantiodromia (album)&lt;/a&gt; by Last Sacrament&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://lastsacrament.bandcamp.com/album/enantiodromia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;Enantiodromia (album)&lt;/a&gt; by Last Sacrament&lt;br /&gt;