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==Harmony in 13edo==  
==Harmony in 13edo==  


One way to view 13-EDO is as a subgroup temperament of harmonics 2.5.9.11.13. Another way to view it is to totally disregard JI approximations entirely.
Contrary to popular belief, consonant harmony is possible in 13-EDO, but it requires a radically different approach than that used in 12-EDO (or other Pythagorean or Meantone-based tunings). Trying to approximate the usual major and minor triads of 12-EDO within 13-EDO is usually a disappointment if consonance is the goal; 0-3-7, 0-4-7, 0-3-8, and 0-4-8 are all rather rough in 13-EDO. Typically, the most consonant harmonies do not use a "stack of 3rds" the way they do in 12-TET, since the strongest dissonances in 13-EDO are near the middle of the octave (degrees 6, 7, and 8). Instead, a stack of whole-tones, or a mixture of whole-tones and minor 3rds, often yields good results. For example, one way to view 13-EDO is as a subgroup temperament of harmonics 2.5.9.11.13. It actually performs quite admirably in this regard, and a chord of 0-4-15-19-22 (approximating 4:5:9:11:13) sounds very convincing. The simplest MOS scale to support this pentad uses the 2nd degree (~185 cents) as a generator, and at 7 notes (6L1s) two full pentads are available (as well as two more 4:5:9:11 tetrad, and one 4:5:9:13 tetrad).  
 
Contrary to popular belief, consonant harmony is possible in 13-EDO, but it requires a radically different approach than that used in 12-EDO (or other Pythagorean or Meantone-based tunings). Trying to approximate the usual major and minor triads of 12-EDO within 13-EDO is usually a disappointment if consonance is the goal; 0-3-7, 0-4-7, 0-3-8, and 0-4-8 are all rather rough in 13-EDO. Typically, the most consonant harmonies do not use a "stack of 3rds" the way they do in 12-TET, since the strongest dissonances in 13-EDO are near the middle of the octave (degrees 6, 7, and 8). Instead, a stack of whole-tones, or a mixture of whole-tones and minor 3rds, often yields good results. For example, triads of 0-2-4, 0-2-5, and 0-3-5 can be quite consonant in some musical circumstances. Another approach is to use chords where the intervals are widely-spaced, exceeding the octave; for instance, 0-10-15, 0-11-15, 0-12-15, and 0-11-16 can also sound reasonably consonant. Of course, the consonance available in 13-EDO is quite different than that available in 12-EDO, but that's kind of the point of using 13-EDO. It is harmonically on another planet from 12-EDO.


==Scales in 13edo==  
==Scales in 13edo==  
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One way to view 13-EDO is as a subgroup temperament of harmonics 2.5.9.11.13. Another way to view it is to totally disregard JI approximations entirely.&lt;br /&gt;
Contrary to popular belief, consonant harmony is possible in 13-EDO, but it requires a radically different approach than that used in 12-EDO (or other Pythagorean or Meantone-based tunings). Trying to approximate the usual major and minor triads of 12-EDO within 13-EDO is usually a disappointment if consonance is the goal; 0-3-7, 0-4-7, 0-3-8, and 0-4-8 are all rather rough in 13-EDO. Typically, the most consonant harmonies do not use a &amp;quot;stack of 3rds&amp;quot; the way they do in 12-TET, since the strongest dissonances in 13-EDO are near the middle of the octave (degrees 6, 7, and 8). Instead, a stack of whole-tones, or a mixture of whole-tones and minor 3rds, often yields good results. For example, one way to view 13-EDO is as a subgroup temperament of harmonics 2.5.9.11.13. It actually performs quite admirably in this regard, and a chord of 0-4-15-19-22 (approximating 4:5:9:11:13) sounds very convincing. The simplest MOS scale to support this pentad uses the 2nd degree (~185 cents) as a generator, and at 7 notes (6L1s) two full pentads are available (as well as two more 4:5:9:11 tetrad, and one 4:5:9:13 tetrad). &lt;br /&gt;
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Contrary to popular belief, consonant harmony is possible in 13-EDO, but it requires a radically different approach than that used in 12-EDO (or other Pythagorean or Meantone-based tunings). Trying to approximate the usual major and minor triads of 12-EDO within 13-EDO is usually a disappointment if consonance is the goal; 0-3-7, 0-4-7, 0-3-8, and 0-4-8 are all rather rough in 13-EDO. Typically, the most consonant harmonies do not use a &amp;quot;stack of 3rds&amp;quot; the way they do in 12-TET, since the strongest dissonances in 13-EDO are near the middle of the octave (degrees 6, 7, and 8). Instead, a stack of whole-tones, or a mixture of whole-tones and minor 3rds, often yields good results. For example, triads of 0-2-4, 0-2-5, and 0-3-5 can be quite consonant in some musical circumstances. Another approach is to use chords where the intervals are widely-spaced, exceeding the octave; for instance, 0-10-15, 0-11-15, 0-12-15, and 0-11-16 can also sound reasonably consonant. Of course, the consonance available in 13-EDO is quite different than that available in 12-EDO, but that's kind of the point of using 13-EDO. It is harmonically on another planet from 12-EDO.&lt;br /&gt;
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