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=&lt;span style="color: #000062; font-family: 'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 113%;"&gt;11 tone equal temperament&lt;/span&gt;=  
=&lt;span style="color: #000062; font-family: 'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 113%;"&gt;11 tone equal temperament&lt;/span&gt;=  


11-tone equal temperament, or 11 [[edo]], divides the [[octave]] into eleven equal steps of approximately 109.09 [[cent]]s. It is the fifth [[prime numbers|prime]] edo, after [[2edo]], [[3edo]], [[5edo]], and [[7edo]].
11-tone equal temperament, or 11[[edo]], divides the [[octave]] into eleven equal steps of approximately 109.09 [[cent|cents]]. It is the fifth [[prime numbers|prime]] edo, after [[2edo]], [[3edo]], [[5edo]], and [[7edo]].


Being less than twelve, 11edo maps easily to the standard keyboard. The suggested mapping disregards the Ab/G# key, leaving Orgone[7] on the whites.
Being less than twelve, 11edo maps easily to the standard keyboard. The suggested mapping disregards the Ab/G# key, leaving Orgone[7] on the whites. The superfluous Ab can be made a note of [[22edo]], a tuning known as "elevenplus".
(The superfluous Ab can be made a note of [[22edo]] and this tuning is known as "elevenplus".)


=Tuning=  
=Tuning=  
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[[image:11edo_approx_2-7-9-11-15-17_2ndsave.png]]
[[image:11edo_approx_2-7-9-11-15-17_2ndsave.png]]


==11 edo solfege==  
==11edo solfege==  
An 11edo solfege system can easily be applied from the [[22edo solfege]] system.
An 11edo solfege system can easily be applied from the [[22edo solfege]] system.
A chromatic scale would thus be sung: **do ra re me mo fu su lo la ta ti do**.
A chromatic scale would thus be sung: **do ra re me mo fu su lo la ta ti do**.
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=Notation=  
=Notation=  


11edo can be notated using ups and downs. Conventional notation, including the staff, note names, relative notation, etc. can be used in two ways. The first preserves the __melodic__ meaning of sharp/flat, major/minor and aug/dim, in that sharp is higher pitched than flat, and major/aug is wider than minor/dim. The disadvantage to this approach is that conventional interval arithmetic no longer works. e.g. M2 + M2 isn't M3, and D + M2 isn't E. Chord names are different because C - E - G isn't P1 - M3 - P5.
11edo can be notated using ups and downs. Conventional notation, including the staff, note names, relative notation, etc. can be used in two ways. The first preserves the //melodic// meaning of sharp/flat, major/minor and aug/dim, in that sharp is higher pitched than flat, and major/aug is wider than minor/dim. The disadvantage to this approach is that conventional interval arithmetic no longer works. e.g. M2 + M2 isn't M3, and D + M2 isn't E. Chord names are different because C - E - G isn't P1 - M3 - P5.


The second approach preserves the __harmonic__ meaning of sharp/flat, major/minor and aug/dim, in that the former is always further fifthwards on the chain of fifths than the latter. Sharp is lower in pitch than flat, and major/aug is narrower than minor/dim. While this approach may seem bizarre at first, interval arithmetic and chord names work as usual. Furthermore, conventional 12edo music can be directly translated to 11edo "on the fly".
The second approach preserves the //harmonic// meaning of sharp/flat, major/minor and aug/dim, in that the former is always further fifthwards on the chain of fifths than the latter. Sharp is lower in pitch than flat, and major/aug is narrower than minor/dim. While this approach may seem bizarre at first, interval arithmetic and chord names work as usual. Furthermore, conventional 12edo music can be directly translated to 11edo "on the fly".


||~ Degree ||~ Size in
||~ Degree ||~ Size in
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==Commas==  
==Commas==  
11 EDO tempers out the following commas. (Note: This assumes val &lt; 11 17 26 31 38 41 |.)
11 EDO tempers out the following commas. (Note: This assumes val &lt; [[tel:11 17 26 31 38 41|11 17 26 31 38 41]] |.)


||~ Rational ||~ Monzo ||~ Size ([[cent|Cents]]) ||~ Name 1 ||~ Name 2 ||~ Name 3 ||
||~ Rational ||~ Monzo ||~ Size ([[cent|Cents]]) ||~ Name 1 ||~ Name 2 ||~ Name 3 ||
||= [[135_128|135/128]] || | -7 3 1 &gt; ||&gt; 92.18 ||= Major Chroma ||= Major Limma ||= Pelogic Comma ||
||= [[135_128|135/128]] || | -7 3 1 &gt; ||&gt; 92.18 ||= Major Chroma ||= Major Limma ||= Pelogic Comma ||
||= 9931568/9752117 || | -25 7 6 &gt; ||&gt; 31.57 ||= Ampersand's Comma ||=  ||=  ||
||= [[tel:9931568/9752117|9931568/9752117]] || | -25 7 6 &gt; ||&gt; 31.57 ||= Ampersand's Comma ||=  ||=  ||
||= 1776337/1773750 || | -68 18 17 &gt; ||&gt; 2.52 ||= Vavoom ||=  ||=  ||
||= [[tel:1776337/1773750|1776337/1773750]] || | -68 18 17 &gt; ||&gt; 2.52 ||= Vavoom ||=  ||=  ||
||= 9859966/9733137 || | -10 7 8 -7 &gt; ||&gt; 22.41 ||= Blackjackisma ||=  ||=  ||
||= [[tel:9859966/9733137|9859966/9733137]] || | -10 7 8 -7 &gt; ||&gt; 22.41 ||= Blackjackisma ||=  ||=  ||
||= 1029/1024 || | -10 1 0 3 &gt; ||&gt; 8.43 ||= Gamelisma ||=  ||=  ||
||= 1029/1024 || | -10 1 0 3 &gt; ||&gt; 8.43 ||= Gamelisma ||=  ||=  ||
||= [[225_224|225/224]] || | -5 2 2 -1 &gt; ||&gt; 7.71 ||= Septimal Kleisma ||= Marvel Comma ||=  ||
||= [[225_224|225/224]] || | -5 2 2 -1 &gt; ||&gt; 7.71 ||= Septimal Kleisma ||= Marvel Comma ||=  ||
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&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:3:&amp;lt;h1&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h1 id="toc1"&gt;&lt;a name="x11 tone equal temperament"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:3 --&gt;&lt;span style="color: #000062; font-family: 'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 113%;"&gt;11 tone equal temperament&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h1&gt;
&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:3:&amp;lt;h1&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h1 id="toc1"&gt;&lt;a name="x11 tone equal temperament"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:3 --&gt;&lt;span style="color: #000062; font-family: 'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 113%;"&gt;11 tone equal temperament&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h1&gt;
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11-tone equal temperament, or 11 &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/edo"&gt;edo&lt;/a&gt;, divides the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/octave"&gt;octave&lt;/a&gt; into eleven equal steps of approximately 109.09 &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/cent"&gt;cent&lt;/a&gt;s. It is the fifth &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/prime%20numbers"&gt;prime&lt;/a&gt; edo, after &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/2edo"&gt;2edo&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/3edo"&gt;3edo&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/5edo"&gt;5edo&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/7edo"&gt;7edo&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
11-tone equal temperament, or 11&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/edo"&gt;edo&lt;/a&gt;, divides the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/octave"&gt;octave&lt;/a&gt; into eleven equal steps of approximately 109.09 &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/cent"&gt;cents&lt;/a&gt;. It is the fifth &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/prime%20numbers"&gt;prime&lt;/a&gt; edo, after &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/2edo"&gt;2edo&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/3edo"&gt;3edo&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/5edo"&gt;5edo&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/7edo"&gt;7edo&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Being less than twelve, 11edo maps easily to the standard keyboard. The suggested mapping disregards the Ab/G# key, leaving Orgone[7] on the whites.&lt;br /&gt;
Being less than twelve, 11edo maps easily to the standard keyboard. The suggested mapping disregards the Ab/G# key, leaving Orgone[7] on the whites. The superfluous Ab can be made a note of &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/22edo"&gt;22edo&lt;/a&gt;, a tuning known as &amp;quot;elevenplus&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
(The superfluous Ab can be made a note of &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/22edo"&gt;22edo&lt;/a&gt; and this tuning is known as &amp;quot;elevenplus&amp;quot;.)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:11:&amp;lt;h2&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h2 id="toc5"&gt;&lt;a name="Intervals-11edo solfege"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:11 --&gt;11edo solfege&lt;/h2&gt;
  An 11edo solfege system can easily be applied from the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/22edo%20solfege"&gt;22edo solfege&lt;/a&gt; system.&lt;br /&gt;
  An 11edo solfege system can easily be applied from the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/22edo%20solfege"&gt;22edo solfege&lt;/a&gt; system.&lt;br /&gt;
A chromatic scale would thus be sung: &lt;strong&gt;do ra re me mo fu su lo la ta ti do&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
A chromatic scale would thus be sung: &lt;strong&gt;do ra re me mo fu su lo la ta ti do&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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11edo can be notated using ups and downs. Conventional notation, including the staff, note names, relative notation, etc. can be used in two ways. The first preserves the &lt;u&gt;melodic&lt;/u&gt; meaning of sharp/flat, major/minor and aug/dim, in that sharp is higher pitched than flat, and major/aug is wider than minor/dim. The disadvantage to this approach is that conventional interval arithmetic no longer works. e.g. M2 + M2 isn't M3, and D + M2 isn't E. Chord names are different because C - E - G isn't P1 - M3 - P5.&lt;br /&gt;
11edo can be notated using ups and downs. Conventional notation, including the staff, note names, relative notation, etc. can be used in two ways. The first preserves the &lt;em&gt;melodic&lt;/em&gt; meaning of sharp/flat, major/minor and aug/dim, in that sharp is higher pitched than flat, and major/aug is wider than minor/dim. The disadvantage to this approach is that conventional interval arithmetic no longer works. e.g. M2 + M2 isn't M3, and D + M2 isn't E. Chord names are different because C - E - G isn't P1 - M3 - P5.&lt;br /&gt;
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The second approach preserves the &lt;u&gt;harmonic&lt;/u&gt; meaning of sharp/flat, major/minor and aug/dim, in that the former is always further fifthwards on the chain of fifths than the latter. Sharp is lower in pitch than flat, and major/aug is narrower than minor/dim. While this approach may seem bizarre at first, interval arithmetic and chord names work as usual. Furthermore, conventional 12edo music can be directly translated to 11edo &amp;quot;on the fly&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
The second approach preserves the &lt;em&gt;harmonic&lt;/em&gt; meaning of sharp/flat, major/minor and aug/dim, in that the former is always further fifthwards on the chain of fifths than the latter. Sharp is lower in pitch than flat, and major/aug is narrower than minor/dim. While this approach may seem bizarre at first, interval arithmetic and chord names work as usual. Furthermore, conventional 12edo music can be directly translated to 11edo &amp;quot;on the fly&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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  11 EDO tempers out the following commas. (Note: This assumes val &amp;lt; 11 17 26 31 38 41 |.)&lt;br /&gt;
  11 EDO tempers out the following commas. (Note: This assumes val &amp;lt; &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="http://tel.wikispaces.com/11%2017%2026%2031%2038%2041"&gt;11 17 26 31 38 41&lt;/a&gt; |.)&lt;br /&gt;
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