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<span style="font-size: 150%;">**Tuning systems for the qanun**</span>
[[toc]]
Julien Jalaleddine Weiss, used with permission.
Reference: Pohlit, Stefan. 2011. Julien Jalâl Ed-Dine Weiss – A New Qānūn System: Its Application in the Performance
Practice of the Ensemble “Al-Kindi” and in Contemporary Western Music. PhD Thesis, MIAM/Istanbul Technical
University.

The tuning tables on this page are specifically designed for the tuning system of the [[qanun]] (see the link for details on the system of tuning and playing a qanun with mandals/orabs).

The possible pitches of a string obtained via raising/lowering the mandals lie within one [[2187_2048|apotome (2187/2048, 113.7 cents)]]. All systems use 8 mandals, allowing a subdivision of the apotome into 7 parts.

The first rough subdivision of the apotome is always into one [[81_80|syntonic comma (81/80, 21.5 cents)]], one [[25_24|Zarlinian semitone (25/24, 70.7 cents)]] and another syntonic comma. The middle part (25/24, Zarlinian semitone) is then further subdivided into 5 (unequal or equal) parts. The various systems differ mainly in the division of the middle part.

=Notation= 
Raising a pitch by an apotome is notated with "#", lowering a pitch by the same amount is notated with "b".
For the steps in between, additional symbols are used - altogether 7 symbols for raising pitches and 7 for lowering pitches.
This gives 15 potential different pitches per base note. Seven base notes (C, D, E, F, G, A, B or Do, Re, Mi, Fa, Sol, La, Si) lead to a notation system of 7*15=105 pitches.
[[file:Tableaux JJW VIII-2011(1).pdf]]
(© Stefan Pohlit, used with permission J. J. Weiss)

XXX Does this notation system have a standard name?

=Explanation of the tuning tables= 
The whole table covers roughly the range of a fourth (the range where the ajnas - maqam tetrachords - reside). Each row corresponds to one string of the qanun. In the first column stands the basic (relative) tuning of a string while the following columns indicate possible intervals that can be reached via raising/lowering the mandals.

The first table contains the cent values and the second the just intervals, sometimes differing between ascending and descending ratios. The middle part (which is the one that is mainly varying among the systems) is marked in **bold**.

Any given configuration of mandal positions, resulting in a certain set of pitches that can be played at a given time
(base for a maqam tetrachord) is represented by a choice of one cell in each row.

=Older systems= 
==First System J.J.Weiss== 
Luthier: Ejder Gulec.
Subdivision of 25/24 into 65/64 (26 cents), 144/143 (12 cents) and 55/54 (32 cents).
65/64 and 55/54 are each split into two.

This gives the following interval positions of the mandals: 22, 13, 13, 12, 16, 16, 22 cents.

Interval table (cents):
|| 0 || 22 || **35** || **48** || **60** || **76** || 92 || 114 ||
|| 90 || 112 || **125** || **138** || **150** || **166** || 182 || 204 ||
|| 294 || 316 || **330** || **342** || **354** || **370** || 386 || 408 ||
|| 384 || 406 || **420** || **432** || **444** || **460** || 476 || 498 ||
|| 498 || 520 || **533** || **546** || **558** || **574** || 590 || 612 ||

Interval table of just intervals (ascending, descending):
|| 1/1 || 81/80 || **49/48** || **1053/1024** || **729/704** || **2673/2560** || 135/128 || 2187/2048 ||
|| 256/243 || 16/15 || **784/729, 128/119, 43/40 (asc.)**
**320/297 (desc.)** || **13/12 (asc.)**
**88/81 (desc.)** || **12/11 (asc.)**
**128/117 (desc.)** || **11/10, 208/189 (asc.)**
**54/49 (desc.)** || 10/9 || 9/8 ||
|| 32/27 || 6/5 || **98/81 (asc.)**
**40/33 (desc.)** || **39/32 (asc.)**
**11/9 (desc.)** || **27/22 (asc.)**
**16/13 (desc.)** || **99/80, 26/21 (asc.)**
**243/196, XXX (desc.)** || 5/4 || 81/64 ||
|| 8192/6581 || XXX || **25088/19683** || **104/81** || **XXX** || **176/135** || 320/243 || 4/3 ||
|| XXX || 27/20 || **351/258** || **XXX** || **243/176** || **891/640** || 45/32 || 729/512 ||

==Variant with 128/119== 
128/119: 126.2 cents
XXX

==Variant with 128/119 ascending/descending== 
XXX

==Variant with 43/40 ascending/descending== 
43/40: 125.2 cents
XXX

=Newer systems= 
==System 2, better suited for ottoman maqams== 
J.J. Weiss, Qanun no. 9. Luthier: Kenan Ozten.

Mandal positions (cents): <span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;">22|16|15|12|13|14|22</span>

Interval table (cents):
|| 0 || 22 || **38** || **54** || **66** || **78** || 92 || 114 ||
|| 90 || 112 || **128** || **143** || **156** || **168** || 182 || 204 ||
|| 294 || 316 || **332** || **348** || **360** || **372** || 386 || 408 ||

Interval table of just intervals:
XXX

==Symmetrical and super-symmetrical models== 
XXX
Characteristics of super-symmetric systems: no difference between ascending and descending ratios.

===Symmetrical model=== 
J.J. Weiss
Advantage: marked contrast between Segah of Ushaq and Segah of arabic Rast.
Equal division of 65/54 (320.98 cents)

Mandal positions (cents): <span style="font-family: Tahoma;">22|13|13|1</span><span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;">8</span><span style="font-family: Tahoma;">|13|13|22</span>

Interval table (cents):
|| 0 || 22 || **35** || **48** || **66** || **79** || 92 || 114 ||
|| 90 || 112 || **125** || **138** || **156** || **169** || 182 || 204 ||
|| 294 || 316 || **329** || **342** || **360** || **373** || 386 || 408 ||

Interval table of just intervals:
XXX

===Super-symmetrical model=== 
J.J. Weiss
Equal division of 65/54 (320.98 cents) and its inverse. (XXX Is that formulation correct?)
Ascending/descending with 43/40 (125.2 cents).

Mandal positions (cents): <span style="font-family: Tahoma;">22|13|13|1</span><span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;">8</span><span style="font-family: Tahoma;">|13|13</span><span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;">|</span><span style="font-family: Tahoma;">22</span>

Interval table (cents): same as in previous model.

Interval table of just intervals:
XXX

===Unequal division of 65/54=== 
J.J. Weiss

XXX

===Equal division of the Zarlinian semitone=== 
J.J. Weiss
This is the simplest variant for luthiers...

Mandal positions (cents): <span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;">22|14|14|14|14|14|22</span>

Interval table (cents):
|| 0 || 22 || **36** || **50** || **64** || **76** || 92 || 114 ||
|| 90 || 112 || **126** || **140** || **154** || **168** || 182 || 204 ||
|| 294 || 316 || **330** || **344** || **358** || **372** || 386 || 408 ||

Interval table of just intervals (ascending, descending):
|| 1/1 || 81/80 ||   ||   ||   ||   || 135/128 || 2187/2048 ||
|| 256/243 || 16/15 || **100/93 (asc.)**
**242/225 (desc.)** || **400/369 (asc.)**
**248/225 (desc.)** || **200/183 (asc.)**
**82/75 (desc.)** || **400/363 (asc.)**
**248/225 (desc.)** || 10/9 || 9/8 ||
|| 32/27 || 6/5 || **75/62 (asc.)**
**121/100 (desc.)** || **50/41 (asc.)**
**61/50 (desc.)** || **75/61 (asc.)**
**49/40 (desc.)** || **150/121 (asc.)**
**31/25 (desc.)** || 5/4 || 81/64 ||

===Ascending/descending with 54/49=== 
J.J. Weiss
[[54_49|54/49]]: 168.2 cents, Zalzal's mujannab (Al Farabi)

Mandal positions (cents): <span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;">22|14|17|13|13|13|22</span>
<span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;">XXX</span> There seem to be typos here...

Interval table (cents):
|| 0 || 22 || **36** || **48** || **60** || **76** || 92 || 114 ||
|| 90 || 112 || **126** || **138** || **156** || **168** || 182 || 204 ||
|| 294 || 316 || **330** ||   || **360** || **374** || 386 || 408 ||

Interval table of just intervals XXX

===Ascending/descending with 14/13=== 
J.J. Weiss
<span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;">14/13: 128.3 cents</span>
<span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;">XXX</span>

Mandal positions (cents): <span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;">22, 16, 13, 12, 13, 16, 22</span>

Interval table XXX

===Ascending/descending with 11/10=== 
J.J. Weiss
11/10: 165 cents

Mandal positions (cents): <span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;">22|16|15|13|13|13|22</span>

Interval table XXX

===Ascending/descending with 35/32=== 
J.J. Weiss
35/32: 155.14 cents
XXX

==System Jacques Dudon (2006)== 

Mandal positions (cents): <span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;">21,5 | 14,5 | 14,5 | 14,5 | 15 | 12 | 21,5</span>

Interval table (cents):

Interval table of just intervals XXX

===Arithmetic system=== 

Mandal positions (cents): <span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;">21,5 | 12 | 15 | 14,5 | 14,5 | 14,5 | 21,5 </span>


Interval table XXX

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<!-- ws:end:WikiTextTocRule:61 -->Julien Jalaleddine Weiss, used with permission.<br />
Reference: Pohlit, Stefan. 2011. Julien Jalâl Ed-Dine Weiss – A New Qānūn System: Its Application in the Performance<br />
Practice of the Ensemble “Al-Kindi” and in Contemporary Western Music. PhD Thesis, MIAM/Istanbul Technical<br />
University.<br />
<br />
The tuning tables on this page are specifically designed for the tuning system of the <a class="wiki_link" href="/qanun">qanun</a> (see the link for details on the system of tuning and playing a qanun with mandals/orabs).<br />
<br />
The possible pitches of a string obtained via raising/lowering the mandals lie within one <a class="wiki_link" href="/2187_2048">apotome (2187/2048, 113.7 cents)</a>. All systems use 8 mandals, allowing a subdivision of the apotome into 7 parts.<br />
<br />
The first rough subdivision of the apotome is always into one <a class="wiki_link" href="/81_80">syntonic comma (81/80, 21.5 cents)</a>, one <a class="wiki_link" href="/25_24">Zarlinian semitone (25/24, 70.7 cents)</a> and another syntonic comma. The middle part (25/24, Zarlinian semitone) is then further subdivided into 5 (unequal or equal) parts. The various systems differ mainly in the division of the middle part.<br />
<br />
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 Raising a pitch by an apotome is notated with &quot;#&quot;, lowering a pitch by the same amount is notated with &quot;b&quot;.<br />
For the steps in between, additional symbols are used - altogether 7 symbols for raising pitches and 7 for lowering pitches.<br />
This gives 15 potential different pitches per base note. Seven base notes (C, D, E, F, G, A, B or Do, Re, Mi, Fa, Sol, La, Si) lead to a notation system of 7*15=105 pitches.<br />
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XXX Does this notation system have a standard name?<br />
<br />
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 The whole table covers roughly the range of a fourth (the range where the ajnas - maqam tetrachords - reside). Each row corresponds to one string of the qanun. In the first column stands the basic (relative) tuning of a string while the following columns indicate possible intervals that can be reached via raising/lowering the mandals.<br />
<br />
The first table contains the cent values and the second the just intervals, sometimes differing between ascending and descending ratios. The middle part (which is the one that is mainly varying among the systems) is marked in <strong>bold</strong>.<br />
<br />
Any given configuration of mandal positions, resulting in a certain set of pitches that can be played at a given time<br />
(base for a maqam tetrachord) is represented by a choice of one cell in each row.<br />
<br />
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:4:&lt;h1&gt; --><h1 id="toc2"><a name="Older systems"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:4 -->Older systems</h1>
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 Luthier: Ejder Gulec.<br />
Subdivision of 25/24 into 65/64 (26 cents), 144/143 (12 cents) and 55/54 (32 cents).<br />
65/64 and 55/54 are each split into two.<br />
<br />
This gives the following interval positions of the mandals: 22, 13, 13, 12, 16, 16, 22 cents.<br />
<br />
Interval table (cents):<br />


<table class="wiki_table">
    <tr>
        <td>0<br />
</td>
        <td>22<br />
</td>
        <td><strong>35</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>48</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>60</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>76</strong><br />
</td>
        <td>92<br />
</td>
        <td>114<br />
</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
        <td>90<br />
</td>
        <td>112<br />
</td>
        <td><strong>125</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>138</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>150</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>166</strong><br />
</td>
        <td>182<br />
</td>
        <td>204<br />
</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
        <td>294<br />
</td>
        <td>316<br />
</td>
        <td><strong>330</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>342</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>354</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>370</strong><br />
</td>
        <td>386<br />
</td>
        <td>408<br />
</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
        <td>384<br />
</td>
        <td>406<br />
</td>
        <td><strong>420</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>432</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>444</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>460</strong><br />
</td>
        <td>476<br />
</td>
        <td>498<br />
</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
        <td>498<br />
</td>
        <td>520<br />
</td>
        <td><strong>533</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>546</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>558</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>574</strong><br />
</td>
        <td>590<br />
</td>
        <td>612<br />
</td>
    </tr>
</table>

<br />
Interval table of just intervals (ascending, descending):<br />


<table class="wiki_table">
    <tr>
        <td>1/1<br />
</td>
        <td>81/80<br />
</td>
        <td><strong>49/48</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>1053/1024</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>729/704</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>2673/2560</strong><br />
</td>
        <td>135/128<br />
</td>
        <td>2187/2048<br />
</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
        <td>256/243<br />
</td>
        <td>16/15<br />
</td>
        <td><strong>784/729, 128/119, 43/40 (asc.)</strong><br />
<strong>320/297 (desc.)</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>13/12 (asc.)</strong><br />
<strong>88/81 (desc.)</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>12/11 (asc.)</strong><br />
<strong>128/117 (desc.)</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>11/10, 208/189 (asc.)</strong><br />
<strong>54/49 (desc.)</strong><br />
</td>
        <td>10/9<br />
</td>
        <td>9/8<br />
</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
        <td>32/27<br />
</td>
        <td>6/5<br />
</td>
        <td><strong>98/81 (asc.)</strong><br />
<strong>40/33 (desc.)</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>39/32 (asc.)</strong><br />
<strong>11/9 (desc.)</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>27/22 (asc.)</strong><br />
<strong>16/13 (desc.)</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>99/80, 26/21 (asc.)</strong><br />
<strong>243/196, XXX (desc.)</strong><br />
</td>
        <td>5/4<br />
</td>
        <td>81/64<br />
</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
        <td>8192/6581<br />
</td>
        <td>XXX<br />
</td>
        <td><strong>25088/19683</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>104/81</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>XXX</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>176/135</strong><br />
</td>
        <td>320/243<br />
</td>
        <td>4/3<br />
</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
        <td>XXX<br />
</td>
        <td>27/20<br />
</td>
        <td><strong>351/258</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>XXX</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>243/176</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>891/640</strong><br />
</td>
        <td>45/32<br />
</td>
        <td>729/512<br />
</td>
    </tr>
</table>

<br />
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 128/119: 126.2 cents<br />
XXX<br />
<br />
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 XXX<br />
<br />
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 43/40: 125.2 cents<br />
XXX<br />
<br />
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:14:&lt;h1&gt; --><h1 id="toc7"><a name="Newer systems"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:14 -->Newer systems</h1>
 <!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:16:&lt;h2&gt; --><h2 id="toc8"><a name="Newer systems-System 2, better suited for ottoman maqams"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:16 -->System 2, better suited for ottoman maqams</h2>
 J.J. Weiss, Qanun no. 9. Luthier: Kenan Ozten.<br />
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Mandal positions (cents): <span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;">22|16|15|12|13|14|22</span><br />
<br />
Interval table (cents):<br />


<table class="wiki_table">
    <tr>
        <td>0<br />
</td>
        <td>22<br />
</td>
        <td><strong>38</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>54</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>66</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>78</strong><br />
</td>
        <td>92<br />
</td>
        <td>114<br />
</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
        <td>90<br />
</td>
        <td>112<br />
</td>
        <td><strong>128</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>143</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>156</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>168</strong><br />
</td>
        <td>182<br />
</td>
        <td>204<br />
</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
        <td>294<br />
</td>
        <td>316<br />
</td>
        <td><strong>332</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>348</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>360</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>372</strong><br />
</td>
        <td>386<br />
</td>
        <td>408<br />
</td>
    </tr>
</table>

<br />
Interval table of just intervals:<br />
XXX<br />
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<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:18:&lt;h2&gt; --><h2 id="toc9"><a name="Newer systems-Symmetrical and super-symmetrical models"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:18 -->Symmetrical and super-symmetrical models</h2>
 XXX<br />
Characteristics of super-symmetric systems: no difference between ascending and descending ratios.<br />
<br />
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:20:&lt;h3&gt; --><h3 id="toc10"><a name="Newer systems-Symmetrical and super-symmetrical models-Symmetrical model"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:20 -->Symmetrical model</h3>
 J.J. Weiss<br />
Advantage: marked contrast between Segah of Ushaq and Segah of arabic Rast.<br />
Equal division of 65/54 (320.98 cents)<br />
<br />
Mandal positions (cents): <span style="font-family: Tahoma;">22|13|13|1</span><span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;">8</span><span style="font-family: Tahoma;">|13|13|22</span><br />
<br />
Interval table (cents):<br />


<table class="wiki_table">
    <tr>
        <td>0<br />
</td>
        <td>22<br />
</td>
        <td><strong>35</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>48</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>66</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>79</strong><br />
</td>
        <td>92<br />
</td>
        <td>114<br />
</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
        <td>90<br />
</td>
        <td>112<br />
</td>
        <td><strong>125</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>138</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>156</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>169</strong><br />
</td>
        <td>182<br />
</td>
        <td>204<br />
</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
        <td>294<br />
</td>
        <td>316<br />
</td>
        <td><strong>329</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>342</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>360</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>373</strong><br />
</td>
        <td>386<br />
</td>
        <td>408<br />
</td>
    </tr>
</table>

<br />
Interval table of just intervals:<br />
XXX<br />
<br />
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 J.J. Weiss<br />
Equal division of 65/54 (320.98 cents) and its inverse. (XXX Is that formulation correct?)<br />
Ascending/descending with 43/40 (125.2 cents).<br />
<br />
Mandal positions (cents): <span style="font-family: Tahoma;">22|13|13|1</span><span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;">8</span><span style="font-family: Tahoma;">|13|13</span><span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;">|</span><span style="font-family: Tahoma;">22</span><br />
<br />
Interval table (cents): same as in previous model.<br />
<br />
Interval table of just intervals:<br />
XXX<br />
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 J.J. Weiss<br />
<br />
XXX<br />
<br />
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 J.J. Weiss<br />
This is the simplest variant for luthiers...<br />
<br />
Mandal positions (cents): <span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;">22|14|14|14|14|14|22</span><br />
<br />
Interval table (cents):<br />


<table class="wiki_table">
    <tr>
        <td>0<br />
</td>
        <td>22<br />
</td>
        <td><strong>36</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>50</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>64</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>76</strong><br />
</td>
        <td>92<br />
</td>
        <td>114<br />
</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
        <td>90<br />
</td>
        <td>112<br />
</td>
        <td><strong>126</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>140</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>154</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>168</strong><br />
</td>
        <td>182<br />
</td>
        <td>204<br />
</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
        <td>294<br />
</td>
        <td>316<br />
</td>
        <td><strong>330</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>344</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>358</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>372</strong><br />
</td>
        <td>386<br />
</td>
        <td>408<br />
</td>
    </tr>
</table>

<br />
Interval table of just intervals (ascending, descending):<br />


<table class="wiki_table">
    <tr>
        <td>1/1<br />
</td>
        <td>81/80<br />
</td>
        <td><br />
</td>
        <td><br />
</td>
        <td><br />
</td>
        <td><br />
</td>
        <td>135/128<br />
</td>
        <td>2187/2048<br />
</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
        <td>256/243<br />
</td>
        <td>16/15<br />
</td>
        <td><strong>100/93 (asc.)</strong><br />
<strong>242/225 (desc.)</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>400/369 (asc.)</strong><br />
<strong>248/225 (desc.)</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>200/183 (asc.)</strong><br />
<strong>82/75 (desc.)</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>400/363 (asc.)</strong><br />
<strong>248/225 (desc.)</strong><br />
</td>
        <td>10/9<br />
</td>
        <td>9/8<br />
</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
        <td>32/27<br />
</td>
        <td>6/5<br />
</td>
        <td><strong>75/62 (asc.)</strong><br />
<strong>121/100 (desc.)</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>50/41 (asc.)</strong><br />
<strong>61/50 (desc.)</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>75/61 (asc.)</strong><br />
<strong>49/40 (desc.)</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>150/121 (asc.)</strong><br />
<strong>31/25 (desc.)</strong><br />
</td>
        <td>5/4<br />
</td>
        <td>81/64<br />
</td>
    </tr>
</table>

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 J.J. Weiss<br />
<a class="wiki_link" href="/54_49">54/49</a>: 168.2 cents, Zalzal's mujannab (Al Farabi)<br />
<br />
Mandal positions (cents): <span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;">22|14|17|13|13|13|22</span><br />
<span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;">XXX</span> There seem to be typos here...<br />
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Interval table (cents):<br />


<table class="wiki_table">
    <tr>
        <td>0<br />
</td>
        <td>22<br />
</td>
        <td><strong>36</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>48</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>60</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>76</strong><br />
</td>
        <td>92<br />
</td>
        <td>114<br />
</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
        <td>90<br />
</td>
        <td>112<br />
</td>
        <td><strong>126</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>138</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>156</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>168</strong><br />
</td>
        <td>182<br />
</td>
        <td>204<br />
</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
        <td>294<br />
</td>
        <td>316<br />
</td>
        <td><strong>330</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>360</strong><br />
</td>
        <td><strong>374</strong><br />
</td>
        <td>386<br />
</td>
        <td>408<br />
</td>
    </tr>
</table>

<br />
Interval table of just intervals XXX<br />
<br />
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 J.J. Weiss<br />
<span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;">14/13: 128.3 cents</span><br />
<span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;">XXX</span><br />
<br />
Mandal positions (cents): <span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;">22, 16, 13, 12, 13, 16, 22</span><br />
<br />
Interval table XXX<br />
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<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:32:&lt;h3&gt; --><h3 id="toc16"><a name="Newer systems-Symmetrical and super-symmetrical models-Ascending/descending with 11/10"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:32 -->Ascending/descending with 11/10</h3>
 J.J. Weiss<br />
11/10: 165 cents<br />
<br />
Mandal positions (cents): <span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;">22|16|15|13|13|13|22</span><br />
<br />
Interval table XXX<br />
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 J.J. Weiss<br />
35/32: 155.14 cents<br />
XXX<br />
<br />
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Mandal positions (cents): <span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;">21,5 | 14,5 | 14,5 | 14,5 | 15 | 12 | 21,5</span><br />
<br />
Interval table (cents):<br />
<br />
Interval table of just intervals XXX<br />
<br />
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Mandal positions (cents): <span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;">21,5 | 12 | 15 | 14,5 | 14,5 | 14,5 | 21,5 </span><br />
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 This gives 15 potential different pitches per base note. Seven base notes (C, D, E, F, G, A, B or Do, Re, Mi, Fa, Sol, La, Si) lead to a notation system of 7*15=105 pitches.
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