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Map: [<1 1 1 5 2 4|, <0 4 9 -15 10 -2|] | Map: [<1 1 1 5 2 4|, <0 4 9 -15 10 -2|] | ||
EDOs: 7, 34, 41 | EDOs: 7, 34, 41 | ||
===Bunya=== | |||
Commas: 225/224, 15625/15309 | |||
Map: [<1 1 1 -1|, <0 4 9 26|] | |||
EDOs: 41, 116 | |||
11-limit | |||
Commas: 100/99, 225/224, 1344/1331 | |||
Map: [<1 1 1 -1 2|, <0 4 9 26 10|] | |||
EDOs: 41 | |||
13-limit | |||
Commas: 100/99, 144/143, 225/224, 243/242 | |||
Map: [<1 1 1 -1 2 4|, <0 4 9 26 10 -2|] | |||
EDOs: 41 | |||
===Octacot=== | ===Octacot=== | ||
Octacot cuts the Gordian knot of deciding between the monkey and bunya mappings for 7 by cutting the generator in half and splitting the difference. It adds 245/243 to the normal comma list, and also tempers out 2401/2400. It has wedgie <<8 18 11 10 -5 -25|| and may also be described as 41&68. [[68edo]] or [[109edo]] can be used as tunings, as can (5/2)^(1/18), which gives just major thirds. Another tuning is [[150edo]], which has a generator, 11/150, of exactly 88 cents. This relates octacot to the [[88cET]] non-octave temperament, which like [[Carlos Alpha]] arguably makes more sense viewed as part of a rank two temperament with octaves rather than rank one without them. | Octacot cuts the Gordian knot of deciding between the monkey and bunya mappings for 7 by cutting the generator in half and splitting the difference. It adds 245/243 to the normal comma list, and also tempers out 2401/2400. It has wedgie <<8 18 11 10 -5 -25|| and may also be described as 41&68. [[68edo]] or [[109edo]] can be used as tunings, as can (5/2)^(1/18), which gives just major thirds. Another tuning is [[150edo]], which has a generator, 11/150, of exactly 88 cents. This relates octacot to the [[88cET]] non-octave temperament, which like [[Carlos Alpha]] arguably makes more sense viewed as part of a rank two temperament with octaves rather than rank one without them. | ||
Once again and for the same reasons, it is natural to add 100/99 and 325/324 to the list of commas, giving <<8 18 11 20 -4 ...|| as the octave part of the wedgie. | Once again and for the same reasons, it is natural to add 100/99 and 325/324 to the list of commas, giving <<8 18 11 20 -4 ...|| as the octave part of the wedgie. Generators of 3/41, 8/109 and 11/150 (88 cents) are all good choices for the 7, 11 and 13 limits. | ||
Commas: 245/243, 2401/2400 | |||
Map: [<1 1 1 2|, <0 8 18 11|] | |||
EDOs: 27, 41, 68, 109 | |||
11-limit | |||
Commas: 100/99, 243/242, 245/242 | |||
Map: [<1 1 1 2 2|, <0 8 18 11 20|] | |||
EDOs: 41 | |||
13-limit | |||
Commas: 100/99, 144/143, 196/195, 243/242 | |||
Map: [<1 1 1 2 2 4|, <0 8 18 11 20 -4|] | |||
EDOs: 41</pre></div> | |||
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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html"><html><head><title>Tetracot family</title></head><body>The parent of the tetracot family is tetracot, the 5-limit temperament tempering out 20000/19683 = |5 -9 4&gt;, the minimal diesis or tetracot comma. The dual of this comma is the wedgie &lt;&lt;4 9 5||, which tells us 10/9 is a generator, and that four of them give 3/2. In fact, (10/9)^4 = 20000/19683 * 3/2. We also have (10/9)^9 = (20000/19683)^2 * 5/2. From this it is evident we should flatten the generator a bit, and <a class="wiki_link" href="/34edo">34edo</a> does this and makes for a recommendable tuning. Another possibility is to use (5/2)^(1/9) for a generator. The 13-note MOS gives enough space for eight triads, with the 20-note MOS supplying many more.<br /> | <div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html"><html><head><title>Tetracot family</title></head><body>The parent of the tetracot family is tetracot, the 5-limit temperament tempering out 20000/19683 = |5 -9 4&gt;, the minimal diesis or tetracot comma. The dual of this comma is the wedgie &lt;&lt;4 9 5||, which tells us 10/9 is a generator, and that four of them give 3/2. In fact, (10/9)^4 = 20000/19683 * 3/2. We also have (10/9)^9 = (20000/19683)^2 * 5/2. From this it is evident we should flatten the generator a bit, and <a class="wiki_link" href="/34edo">34edo</a> does this and makes for a recommendable tuning. Another possibility is to use (5/2)^(1/9) for a generator. The 13-note MOS gives enough space for eight triads, with the 20-note MOS supplying many more.<br /> | ||
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EDOs: 7, 34, 41<br /> | EDOs: 7, 34, 41<br /> | ||
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Commas: 225/224, 15625/15309<br /> | |||
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Map: [&lt;1 1 1 -1|, &lt;0 4 9 26|]<br /> | |||
EDOs: 41, 116<br /> | |||
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11-limit<br /> | |||
Commas: 100/99, 225/224, 1344/1331<br /> | |||
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Map: [&lt;1 1 1 -1 2|, &lt;0 4 9 26 10|]<br /> | |||
EDOs: 41<br /> | |||
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13-limit<br /> | |||
Commas: 100/99, 144/143, 225/224, 243/242<br /> | |||
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Map: [&lt;1 1 1 -1 2 4|, &lt;0 4 9 26 10 -2|]<br /> | |||
EDOs: 41<br /> | |||
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<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:8:&lt;h3&gt; --><h3 id="toc4"><a name="x-Seven limit children-Octacot"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:8 -->Octacot</h3> | |||
Octacot cuts the Gordian knot of deciding between the monkey and bunya mappings for 7 by cutting the generator in half and splitting the difference. It adds 245/243 to the normal comma list, and also tempers out 2401/2400. It has wedgie &lt;&lt;8 18 11 10 -5 -25|| and may also be described as 41&amp;68. <a class="wiki_link" href="/68edo">68edo</a> or <a class="wiki_link" href="/109edo">109edo</a> can be used as tunings, as can (5/2)^(1/18), which gives just major thirds. Another tuning is <a class="wiki_link" href="/150edo">150edo</a>, which has a generator, 11/150, of exactly 88 cents. This relates octacot to the <a class="wiki_link" href="/88cET">88cET</a> non-octave temperament, which like <a class="wiki_link" href="/Carlos%20Alpha">Carlos Alpha</a> arguably makes more sense viewed as part of a rank two temperament with octaves rather than rank one without them. <br /> | Octacot cuts the Gordian knot of deciding between the monkey and bunya mappings for 7 by cutting the generator in half and splitting the difference. It adds 245/243 to the normal comma list, and also tempers out 2401/2400. It has wedgie &lt;&lt;8 18 11 10 -5 -25|| and may also be described as 41&amp;68. <a class="wiki_link" href="/68edo">68edo</a> or <a class="wiki_link" href="/109edo">109edo</a> can be used as tunings, as can (5/2)^(1/18), which gives just major thirds. Another tuning is <a class="wiki_link" href="/150edo">150edo</a>, which has a generator, 11/150, of exactly 88 cents. This relates octacot to the <a class="wiki_link" href="/88cET">88cET</a> non-octave temperament, which like <a class="wiki_link" href="/Carlos%20Alpha">Carlos Alpha</a> arguably makes more sense viewed as part of a rank two temperament with octaves rather than rank one without them. <br /> | ||
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Once again and for the same reasons, it is natural to add 100/99 and 325/324 to the list of commas, giving &lt;&lt;8 18 11 20 -4 ...|| as the octave part of the wedgie. | Once again and for the same reasons, it is natural to add 100/99 and 325/324 to the list of commas, giving &lt;&lt;8 18 11 20 -4 ...|| as the octave part of the wedgie. Generators of 3/41, 8/109 and 11/150 (88 cents) are all good choices for the 7, 11 and 13 limits.<br /> | ||
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Commas: 245/243, 2401/2400<br /> | |||
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Map: [&lt;1 1 1 2|, &lt;0 8 18 11|]<br /> | |||
EDOs: 27, 41, 68, 109<br /> | |||
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11-limit<br /> | |||
Commas: 100/99, 243/242, 245/242<br /> | |||
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Map: [&lt;1 1 1 2 2|, &lt;0 8 18 11 20|]<br /> | |||
EDOs: 41<br /> | |||
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13-limit<br /> | |||
Commas: 100/99, 144/143, 196/195, 243/242<br /> | |||
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Map: [&lt;1 1 1 2 2 4|, &lt;0 8 18 11 20 -4|]<br /> | |||
EDOs: 41</body></html></pre></div> | |||