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Map: [&lt;1 1 1 5 2 4|, &lt;0 4 9 -15 10 -2|]
Map: [&lt;1 1 1 5 2 4|, &lt;0 4 9 -15 10 -2|]
EDOs: 7, 34, 41
EDOs: 7, 34, 41
===Bunya===
Commas: 225/224, 15625/15309
Map: [&lt;1 1 1 -1|, &lt;0 4 9 26|]
EDOs: 41, 116
11-limit
Commas: 100/99, 225/224, 1344/1331
Map: [&lt;1 1 1 -1 2|, &lt;0 4 9 26 10|]
EDOs: 41
13-limit
Commas: 100/99, 144/143, 225/224, 243/242
Map: [&lt;1 1 1 -1 2 4|, &lt;0 4 9 26 10 -2|]
EDOs: 41


===Octacot===
===Octacot===
Octacot cuts the Gordian knot of deciding between the monkey and bunya mappings for 7 by cutting the generator in half and splitting the difference. It adds 245/243 to the normal comma list, and also tempers out 2401/2400. It has wedgie &lt;&lt;8 18 11 10 -5 -25|| and may also be described as 41&amp;68. [[68edo]] or [[109edo]] can be used as tunings, as can (5/2)^(1/18), which gives just major thirds. Another tuning is [[150edo]], which has a generator, 11/150, of exactly 88 cents. This relates octacot to the [[88cET]] non-octave temperament, which like [[Carlos Alpha]] arguably makes more sense viewed as part of a rank two temperament with octaves rather than rank one without them.  
Octacot cuts the Gordian knot of deciding between the monkey and bunya mappings for 7 by cutting the generator in half and splitting the difference. It adds 245/243 to the normal comma list, and also tempers out 2401/2400. It has wedgie &lt;&lt;8 18 11 10 -5 -25|| and may also be described as 41&amp;68. [[68edo]] or [[109edo]] can be used as tunings, as can (5/2)^(1/18), which gives just major thirds. Another tuning is [[150edo]], which has a generator, 11/150, of exactly 88 cents. This relates octacot to the [[88cET]] non-octave temperament, which like [[Carlos Alpha]] arguably makes more sense viewed as part of a rank two temperament with octaves rather than rank one without them.  


Once again and for the same reasons, it is natural to add 100/99 and 325/324 to the list of commas, giving &lt;&lt;8 18 11 20 -4 ...|| as the octave part of the wedgie. The 11/150 88 cent generator is an excellent higher limit tuning choice and 8/109 is a good alternative.</pre></div>
Once again and for the same reasons, it is natural to add 100/99 and 325/324 to the list of commas, giving &lt;&lt;8 18 11 20 -4 ...|| as the octave part of the wedgie. Generators of 3/41, 8/109 and 11/150 (88 cents) are all good choices for the 7, 11 and 13 limits.
 
Commas: 245/243, 2401/2400
 
Map: [&lt;1 1 1 2|, &lt;0 8 18 11|]
EDOs: 27, 41, 68, 109
 
11-limit
Commas: 100/99, 243/242, 245/242
 
Map: [&lt;1 1 1 2 2|, &lt;0 8 18 11 20|]
EDOs: 41
 
13-limit
Commas: 100/99, 144/143, 196/195, 243/242
 
Map: [&lt;1 1 1 2 2 4|, &lt;0 8 18 11 20 -4|]
EDOs: 41</pre></div>
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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">&lt;html&gt;&lt;head&gt;&lt;title&gt;Tetracot family&lt;/title&gt;&lt;/head&gt;&lt;body&gt;The parent of the tetracot family is tetracot, the 5-limit temperament tempering out 20000/19683 = |5 -9 4&amp;gt;, the minimal diesis or tetracot comma. The dual of this comma is the wedgie &amp;lt;&amp;lt;4 9 5||, which tells us 10/9 is a generator, and that four of them give 3/2. In fact, (10/9)^4 = 20000/19683 * 3/2. We also have (10/9)^9 = (20000/19683)^2 * 5/2. From this it is evident we should flatten the generator a bit, and &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/34edo"&gt;34edo&lt;/a&gt; does this and makes for a recommendable tuning. Another possibility is to use (5/2)^(1/9) for a generator. The 13-note MOS gives enough space for eight triads, with the 20-note MOS supplying many more.&lt;br /&gt;
<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">&lt;html&gt;&lt;head&gt;&lt;title&gt;Tetracot family&lt;/title&gt;&lt;/head&gt;&lt;body&gt;The parent of the tetracot family is tetracot, the 5-limit temperament tempering out 20000/19683 = |5 -9 4&amp;gt;, the minimal diesis or tetracot comma. The dual of this comma is the wedgie &amp;lt;&amp;lt;4 9 5||, which tells us 10/9 is a generator, and that four of them give 3/2. In fact, (10/9)^4 = 20000/19683 * 3/2. We also have (10/9)^9 = (20000/19683)^2 * 5/2. From this it is evident we should flatten the generator a bit, and &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/34edo"&gt;34edo&lt;/a&gt; does this and makes for a recommendable tuning. Another possibility is to use (5/2)^(1/9) for a generator. The 13-note MOS gives enough space for eight triads, with the 20-note MOS supplying many more.&lt;br /&gt;
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EDOs: 7, 34, 41&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: 7, 34, 41&lt;br /&gt;
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Commas: 225/224, 15625/15309&lt;br /&gt;
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Map: [&amp;lt;1 1 1 -1|, &amp;lt;0 4 9 26|]&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: 41, 116&lt;br /&gt;
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11-limit&lt;br /&gt;
Commas: 100/99, 225/224, 1344/1331&lt;br /&gt;
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Map: [&amp;lt;1 1 1 -1 2|, &amp;lt;0 4 9 26 10|]&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: 41&lt;br /&gt;
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13-limit&lt;br /&gt;
Commas: 100/99, 144/143, 225/224, 243/242&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Map: [&amp;lt;1 1 1 -1 2 4|, &amp;lt;0 4 9 26 10 -2|]&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: 41&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:8:&amp;lt;h3&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h3 id="toc4"&gt;&lt;a name="x-Seven limit children-Octacot"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:8 --&gt;Octacot&lt;/h3&gt;
Octacot cuts the Gordian knot of deciding between the monkey and bunya mappings for 7 by cutting the generator in half and splitting the difference. It adds 245/243 to the normal comma list, and also tempers out 2401/2400. It has wedgie &amp;lt;&amp;lt;8 18 11 10 -5 -25|| and may also be described as 41&amp;amp;68. &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/68edo"&gt;68edo&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/109edo"&gt;109edo&lt;/a&gt; can be used as tunings, as can (5/2)^(1/18), which gives just major thirds. Another tuning is &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/150edo"&gt;150edo&lt;/a&gt;, which has a generator, 11/150, of exactly 88 cents. This relates octacot to the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/88cET"&gt;88cET&lt;/a&gt; non-octave temperament, which like &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Carlos%20Alpha"&gt;Carlos Alpha&lt;/a&gt; arguably makes more sense viewed as part of a rank two temperament with octaves rather than rank one without them. &lt;br /&gt;
Octacot cuts the Gordian knot of deciding between the monkey and bunya mappings for 7 by cutting the generator in half and splitting the difference. It adds 245/243 to the normal comma list, and also tempers out 2401/2400. It has wedgie &amp;lt;&amp;lt;8 18 11 10 -5 -25|| and may also be described as 41&amp;amp;68. &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/68edo"&gt;68edo&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/109edo"&gt;109edo&lt;/a&gt; can be used as tunings, as can (5/2)^(1/18), which gives just major thirds. Another tuning is &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/150edo"&gt;150edo&lt;/a&gt;, which has a generator, 11/150, of exactly 88 cents. This relates octacot to the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/88cET"&gt;88cET&lt;/a&gt; non-octave temperament, which like &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Carlos%20Alpha"&gt;Carlos Alpha&lt;/a&gt; arguably makes more sense viewed as part of a rank two temperament with octaves rather than rank one without them. &lt;br /&gt;
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Once again and for the same reasons, it is natural to add 100/99 and 325/324 to the list of commas, giving &amp;lt;&amp;lt;8 18 11 20 -4 ...|| as the octave part of the wedgie. The 11/150 88 cent generator is an excellent higher limit tuning choice and 8/109 is a good alternative.&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>
Once again and for the same reasons, it is natural to add 100/99 and 325/324 to the list of commas, giving &amp;lt;&amp;lt;8 18 11 20 -4 ...|| as the octave part of the wedgie. Generators of 3/41, 8/109 and 11/150 (88 cents) are all good choices for the 7, 11 and 13 limits.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Commas: 245/243, 2401/2400&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Map: [&amp;lt;1 1 1 2|, &amp;lt;0 8 18 11|]&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: 27, 41, 68, 109&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
11-limit&lt;br /&gt;
Commas: 100/99, 243/242, 245/242&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Map: [&amp;lt;1 1 1 2 2|, &amp;lt;0 8 18 11 20|]&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: 41&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
13-limit&lt;br /&gt;
Commas: 100/99, 144/143, 196/195, 243/242&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Map: [&amp;lt;1 1 1 2 2 4|, &amp;lt;0 8 18 11 20 -4|]&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: 41&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>