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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">The parent of the tetracot family is tetracot, the 5-limit temperament tempering out 20000/19683 = |5 -9 4&gt;, the minimal diesis or tetracot comma. The dual of this comma is the wedgie &lt;&lt;4 9 5||, which tells us 10/9 is a generator, and that four of them give 3/2. In fact, (10/9)^4 = 20000/19683 * 3/2. We also have (10/9)^9 = (20000/19683)^2 * 5/2. From this it is evident we should flatten the generator a bit, and [[34edo]] does this and makes for a recommendable tuning. Another possibility is to use (5/2)^(1/9) for a generator. The 13-note MOS gives enough space for eight triads, with the 20-note MOS supplying many more.
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The parent of the tetracot family is tetracot, the 5-limit temperament tempering out 20000/19683 = |5 -9 4&gt;, the minimal diesis or tetracot comma. The dual of this comma is the wedgie &lt;&lt;4 9 5||, which tells us 10/9 is a generator, and that four of them give 3/2. In fact, (10/9)^4 = 20000/19683 * 3/2. We also have (10/9)^9 = (20000/19683)^2 * 5/2. From this it is evident we should flatten the generator a bit, and [[34edo]] does this and makes for a recommendable tuning. Another possibility is to use (5/2)^(1/9) for a generator. The 13-note MOS gives enough space for eight triads, with the 20-note MOS supplying many more.


[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: 176.160
[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: 176.160
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Since 16/13 is shy of (10/9)^2 by just 325/324, it is likewise natural to extend our winning streak with these temperaments by adding this to the list of commas. This gives us &lt;&lt;4 9 -15 10 -2 ...|| for 13-limit monkey and &lt;&lt;4 9 26 10 -2 ...|| for 13-limit bunya. Once again, 41 is recommended as a tuning for monkey, while banyan can with advantage tune the fifth sharper: 17/116 as a generator with a fifth a cent and a half sharp or 11/75 with a fifth two cents sharp.  
Since 16/13 is shy of (10/9)^2 by just 325/324, it is likewise natural to extend our winning streak with these temperaments by adding this to the list of commas. This gives us &lt;&lt;4 9 -15 10 -2 ...|| for 13-limit monkey and &lt;&lt;4 9 26 10 -2 ...|| for 13-limit bunya. Once again, 41 is recommended as a tuning for monkey, while banyan can with advantage tune the fifth sharper: 17/116 as a generator with a fifth a cent and a half sharp or 11/75 with a fifth two cents sharp.  


===Monkey===
=Monkey=
Commas: 5120/5103, 875/864
Commas: 5120/5103, 875/864


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EDOs: 7, 34, 41
EDOs: 7, 34, 41


11-limit
==11-limit==
Commas: 243/242, 385/384, 100/99
Commas: 243/242, 385/384, 100/99


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EDOs: 7, 34, 41
EDOs: 7, 34, 41


13-limit  
==13-limit==
Commas: 100/99, 105/104, 144/143, 243/242
Commas: 100/99, 105/104, 144/143, 243/242


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EDOs: 7, 34, 41
EDOs: 7, 34, 41


===Bunya===
=Bunya=
Commas: 225/224, 15625/15309
Commas: 225/224, 15625/15309


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EDOs: 41, 116
EDOs: 41, 116


11-limit
==11-limit==
Commas: 100/99, 225/224, 1344/1331
Commas: 100/99, 225/224, 1344/1331


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EDOs: 41
EDOs: 41


13-limit
==13-limit==
Commas: 100/99, 144/143, 225/224, 243/242
Commas: 100/99, 144/143, 225/224, 243/242


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EDOs: 41
EDOs: 41


===Octacot===
=Octacot=
Octacot cuts the Gordian knot of deciding between the monkey and bunya mappings for 7 by cutting the generator in half and splitting the difference. It adds 245/243 to the normal comma list, and also tempers out 2401/2400. It has wedgie &lt;&lt;8 18 11 10 -5 -25|| and may also be described as 41&amp;68. [[68edo]] or [[109edo]] can be used as tunings, as can (5/2)^(1/18), which gives just major thirds. Another tuning is [[150edo]], which has a generator, 11/150, of exactly 88 cents. This relates octacot to the [[88cET]] non-octave temperament, which like [[Carlos Alpha]] arguably makes more sense viewed as part of a rank two temperament with octaves rather than rank one without them.  
Octacot cuts the Gordian knot of deciding between the monkey and bunya mappings for 7 by cutting the generator in half and splitting the difference. It adds 245/243 to the normal comma list, and also tempers out 2401/2400. It has wedgie &lt;&lt;8 18 11 10 -5 -25|| and may also be described as 41&amp;68. [[68edo]] or [[109edo]] can be used as tunings, as can (5/2)^(1/18), which gives just major thirds. Another tuning is [[150edo]], which has a generator, 11/150, of exactly 88 cents. This relates octacot to the [[88cET]] non-octave temperament, which like [[Carlos Alpha]] arguably makes more sense viewed as part of a rank two temperament with octaves rather than rank one without them.  


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EDOs: 27, 41, 68, 109
EDOs: 27, 41, 68, 109


11-limit
==11-limit==
Commas: 100/99, 243/242, 245/242
Commas: 100/99, 243/242, 245/242


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EDOs: 41
EDOs: 41


13-limit
==13-limit==
Commas: 100/99, 144/143, 196/195, 243/242
Commas: 100/99, 144/143, 196/195, 243/242


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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">&lt;html&gt;&lt;head&gt;&lt;title&gt;Tetracot family&lt;/title&gt;&lt;/head&gt;&lt;body&gt;The parent of the tetracot family is tetracot, the 5-limit temperament tempering out 20000/19683 = |5 -9 4&amp;gt;, the minimal diesis or tetracot comma. The dual of this comma is the wedgie &amp;lt;&amp;lt;4 9 5||, which tells us 10/9 is a generator, and that four of them give 3/2. In fact, (10/9)^4 = 20000/19683 * 3/2. We also have (10/9)^9 = (20000/19683)^2 * 5/2. From this it is evident we should flatten the generator a bit, and &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/34edo"&gt;34edo&lt;/a&gt; does this and makes for a recommendable tuning. Another possibility is to use (5/2)^(1/9) for a generator. The 13-note MOS gives enough space for eight triads, with the 20-note MOS supplying many more.&lt;br /&gt;
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The parent of the tetracot family is tetracot, the 5-limit temperament tempering out 20000/19683 = |5 -9 4&amp;gt;, the minimal diesis or tetracot comma. The dual of this comma is the wedgie &amp;lt;&amp;lt;4 9 5||, which tells us 10/9 is a generator, and that four of them give 3/2. In fact, (10/9)^4 = 20000/19683 * 3/2. We also have (10/9)^9 = (20000/19683)^2 * 5/2. From this it is evident we should flatten the generator a bit, and &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/34edo"&gt;34edo&lt;/a&gt; does this and makes for a recommendable tuning. Another possibility is to use (5/2)^(1/9) for a generator. The 13-note MOS gives enough space for eight triads, with the 20-note MOS supplying many more.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning"&gt;POTE generator&lt;/a&gt;: 176.160&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning"&gt;POTE generator&lt;/a&gt;: 176.160&lt;br /&gt;
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Since 16/13 is shy of (10/9)^2 by just 325/324, it is likewise natural to extend our winning streak with these temperaments by adding this to the list of commas. This gives us &amp;lt;&amp;lt;4 9 -15 10 -2 ...|| for 13-limit monkey and &amp;lt;&amp;lt;4 9 26 10 -2 ...|| for 13-limit bunya. Once again, 41 is recommended as a tuning for monkey, while banyan can with advantage tune the fifth sharper: 17/116 as a generator with a fifth a cent and a half sharp or 11/75 with a fifth two cents sharp. &lt;br /&gt;
Since 16/13 is shy of (10/9)^2 by just 325/324, it is likewise natural to extend our winning streak with these temperaments by adding this to the list of commas. This gives us &amp;lt;&amp;lt;4 9 -15 10 -2 ...|| for 13-limit monkey and &amp;lt;&amp;lt;4 9 26 10 -2 ...|| for 13-limit bunya. Once again, 41 is recommended as a tuning for monkey, while banyan can with advantage tune the fifth sharper: 17/116 as a generator with a fifth a cent and a half sharp or 11/75 with a fifth two cents sharp. &lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:4:&amp;lt;h3&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h3 id="toc2"&gt;&lt;a name="x-Seven limit children-Monkey"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:4 --&gt;Monkey&lt;/h3&gt;
&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:4:&amp;lt;h1&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h1 id="toc2"&gt;&lt;a name="Monkey"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:4 --&gt;Monkey&lt;/h1&gt;
Commas: 5120/5103, 875/864&lt;br /&gt;
Commas: 5120/5103, 875/864&lt;br /&gt;
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EDOs: 7, 34, 41&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: 7, 34, 41&lt;br /&gt;
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11-limit&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:6:&amp;lt;h2&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h2 id="toc3"&gt;&lt;a name="Monkey-11-limit"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:6 --&gt;11-limit&lt;/h2&gt;
Commas: 243/242, 385/384, 100/99&lt;br /&gt;
Commas: 243/242, 385/384, 100/99&lt;br /&gt;
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EDOs: 7, 34, 41&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: 7, 34, 41&lt;br /&gt;
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13-limit &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:8:&amp;lt;h2&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h2 id="toc4"&gt;&lt;a name="Monkey-13-limit"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:8 --&gt;13-limit&lt;/h2&gt;
Commas: 100/99, 105/104, 144/143, 243/242&lt;br /&gt;
Commas: 100/99, 105/104, 144/143, 243/242&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning"&gt;POTE generator&lt;/a&gt;: 175.622&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning"&gt;POTE generator&lt;/a&gt;: 175.622&lt;br /&gt;
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EDOs: 7, 34, 41&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: 7, 34, 41&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:6:&amp;lt;h3&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h3 id="toc3"&gt;&lt;a name="x-Seven limit children-Bunya"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:6 --&gt;Bunya&lt;/h3&gt;
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Commas: 225/224, 15625/15309&lt;br /&gt;
Commas: 225/224, 15625/15309&lt;br /&gt;
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EDOs: 41, 116&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: 41, 116&lt;br /&gt;
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11-limit&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:12:&amp;lt;h2&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h2 id="toc6"&gt;&lt;a name="Bunya-11-limit"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:12 --&gt;11-limit&lt;/h2&gt;
Commas: 100/99, 225/224, 1344/1331&lt;br /&gt;
Commas: 100/99, 225/224, 1344/1331&lt;br /&gt;
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EDOs: 41&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: 41&lt;br /&gt;
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13-limit&lt;br /&gt;
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Commas: 100/99, 144/143, 225/224, 243/242&lt;br /&gt;
Commas: 100/99, 144/143, 225/224, 243/242&lt;br /&gt;
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EDOs: 41&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: 41&lt;br /&gt;
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Octacot cuts the Gordian knot of deciding between the monkey and bunya mappings for 7 by cutting the generator in half and splitting the difference. It adds 245/243 to the normal comma list, and also tempers out 2401/2400. It has wedgie &amp;lt;&amp;lt;8 18 11 10 -5 -25|| and may also be described as 41&amp;amp;68. &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/68edo"&gt;68edo&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/109edo"&gt;109edo&lt;/a&gt; can be used as tunings, as can (5/2)^(1/18), which gives just major thirds. Another tuning is &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/150edo"&gt;150edo&lt;/a&gt;, which has a generator, 11/150, of exactly 88 cents. This relates octacot to the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/88cET"&gt;88cET&lt;/a&gt; non-octave temperament, which like &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Carlos%20Alpha"&gt;Carlos Alpha&lt;/a&gt; arguably makes more sense viewed as part of a rank two temperament with octaves rather than rank one without them. &lt;br /&gt;
Octacot cuts the Gordian knot of deciding between the monkey and bunya mappings for 7 by cutting the generator in half and splitting the difference. It adds 245/243 to the normal comma list, and also tempers out 2401/2400. It has wedgie &amp;lt;&amp;lt;8 18 11 10 -5 -25|| and may also be described as 41&amp;amp;68. &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/68edo"&gt;68edo&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/109edo"&gt;109edo&lt;/a&gt; can be used as tunings, as can (5/2)^(1/18), which gives just major thirds. Another tuning is &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/150edo"&gt;150edo&lt;/a&gt;, which has a generator, 11/150, of exactly 88 cents. This relates octacot to the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/88cET"&gt;88cET&lt;/a&gt; non-octave temperament, which like &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Carlos%20Alpha"&gt;Carlos Alpha&lt;/a&gt; arguably makes more sense viewed as part of a rank two temperament with octaves rather than rank one without them. &lt;br /&gt;
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EDOs: 27, 41, 68, 109&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: 27, 41, 68, 109&lt;br /&gt;
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11-limit&lt;br /&gt;
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Commas: 100/99, 243/242, 245/242&lt;br /&gt;
Commas: 100/99, 243/242, 245/242&lt;br /&gt;
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EDOs: 41&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: 41&lt;br /&gt;
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13-limit&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:20:&amp;lt;h2&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h2 id="toc10"&gt;&lt;a name="Octacot-13-limit"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:20 --&gt;13-limit&lt;/h2&gt;
Commas: 100/99, 144/143, 196/195, 243/242&lt;br /&gt;
Commas: 100/99, 144/143, 196/195, 243/242&lt;br /&gt;
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