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===Orwell=== | ===Orwell=== | ||
So called because 19 | So called because 19\84 (as a [[fraction of the octave]]) is a possible generator of this temperament, orwell divides the interval of a twelfth (a tempered 3/1 frequency ratio) into 7 equal steps. It's compatible with [[22edo|22]], [[31edo|31]], [[53edo|53-EDO]] and [[84edo]], and may be described as the 22&31 temperament, or <<7 -3 8 -21 -7 27||. It's a good system in the [[7-limit]] and naturally extends into the [[11-limit]]. [[84edo]], with the 19/84 generator, provides a good tuning for the 5, 7 and 11 limits, but it does use its second-best 11. However, the 19/84 generator is remarkably close to the 11-limit [[POTE tuning]], as the generator is only 0.0024 cents sharper, and it is a good approximation to the 7-limit POTE generator also; hence 84 may be considered the most recommendable tuning in the 7-limit. [[53edo]] might be preferred in the 5-limit because of its nearly pure fifth and in the 11-limit because of it slightly better 11, though most of its 11-limit harmony is actually worse. Aside from the semicomma and 65625/65536, 7-limit orwell tempers out 2430/2401, the nuwell comma, 1728/1715, the orwellisma, 225/224, the septimal kleisma, and 6144/6125, the porwell comma. | ||
The 11-limit version of orwell tempers out 99/98, which means that two of its sharpened 7/6 generators give a flattened 11/8, as well as 121/120, 176/175, 385/384 and 540/539. Despite lowered tuning accuracy, orwell comes into its own in the 11-limit, giving acceptable accuracy and relatively low complexity. Tempering out the orwellisma, 1728/1715, means that orwell interprets three stacked 7/6 generators as an 8/5, and the tempered 1-7/6-11/8-8/5 chord is natural to orwell. | The 11-limit version of orwell tempers out 99/98, which means that two of its sharpened 7/6 generators give a flattened 11/8, as well as 121/120, 176/175, 385/384 and 540/539. Despite lowered tuning accuracy, orwell comes into its own in the 11-limit, giving acceptable accuracy and relatively low complexity. Tempering out the orwellisma, 1728/1715, means that orwell interprets three stacked 7/6 generators as an 8/5, and the tempered 1-7/6-11/8-8/5 chord is natural to orwell. | ||
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Orwell has MOS of size 9, 13, 22 and 31. The 9-note MOS is small enough to be retained in the mind as a genuine scale, is pleasing melodically, and has considerable harmonic resources despite its absence of 5-limit triads. The 13 note MOS has those, and of course the 22 and 31 note MOS are very well supplied with everything. | Orwell has MOS of size 9, 13, 22 and 31. The 9-note MOS is small enough to be retained in the mind as a genuine scale, is pleasing melodically, and has considerable harmonic resources despite its absence of 5-limit triads. The 13 note MOS has those, and of course the 22 and 31 note MOS are very well supplied with everything. | ||
===Vital statistics=== | ===Vital statistics=== | ||
[[Comma|Commas]]: 225/224, 1728/1715 | [[Comma|Commas]]: 225/224, 1728/1715 | ||
7-limit | 7-limit | ||
[|1 0 0 0>, |14/11 0 -7/11 7/11>, | [|1 0 0 0>, |14/11 0 -7/11 7/11>, | ||
|27/11 0 3/11 -3/11>, |27/11 0 -8/11 8/11>] | |27/11 0 3/11 -3/11>, |27/11 0 -8/11 8/11>] | ||
[[Fractional monzos|Eigenmonzos]]: 2, 7/5 | [[Fractional monzos|Eigenmonzos]]: 2, 7/5 | ||
9-limit | 9-limit | ||
[|1 0 0 0>, |21/17 14/17 -7/17 0>, | [|1 0 0 0>, |21/17 14/17 -7/17 0>, | ||
|42/17 -6/17 3/17 0>, |41/17 16/17 -8/17 0>] | |42/17 -6/17 3/17 0>, |41/17 16/17 -8/17 0>] | ||
[[Eigenmonzo|Eigenmonzos]]: 2, 10/9 | [[Eigenmonzo|Eigenmonzos]]: 2, 10/9 | ||
[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: 271.509 | [[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: 271.509 | ||
Algebraic generators: Sabra3, the real root of 12x^3-7x-48. | Algebraic generators: Sabra3, the real root of 12x^3-7x-48. | ||
Map: [<1 0 3 1|, <0 7 -3 8|] | Map: [<1 0 3 1|, <0 7 -3 8|] | ||
EDOs: 22, 31, 53, 84, 137 | EDOs: 22, 31, 53, 84, 137 | ||
==11-limit== | ==11-limit== | ||
[[Comma|Commas]]: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175 | [[Comma|Commas]]: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175 | ||
[[Minimax tuning]] | [[Minimax tuning]] | ||
[|1 0 0 0 0>, |14/11 0 -7/11 7/11 0>, |27/11 0 3/11 -3/11 0>, | [|1 0 0 0 0>, |14/11 0 -7/11 7/11 0>, |27/11 0 3/11 -3/11 0>, | ||
|27/11 0 -8/11 8/11 0>, |37/11 0 -2/11 2/11 0>] | |||
[[Eigenmonzo|Eigenmonzos]]: 2, 7/5 | [[Eigenmonzo|Eigenmonzos]]: 2, 7/5 | ||
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Badness: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175 | Badness: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175 | ||
==Winston== | ==Winston== | ||
Commas: 66/65, 99/98, 105/104, 121/120 | Commas: 66/65, 99/98, 105/104, 121/120 | ||
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Badness: 0.0199 | Badness: 0.0199 | ||
==Julia== | ==Julia== | ||
Commas: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175, 275/273 | Commas: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175, 275/273 | ||
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http://www.archive.org/details/TrioInOrwell by [[Gene Ward Smith]] | http://www.archive.org/details/TrioInOrwell by [[Gene Ward Smith]] | ||
[[http://soundclick.com/share?songid=9101705|one drop of rain]], [[http://soundclick.com/share?songid=9101704|i've come with a bucket of roses]], and [[http://soundclick.com/share?songid=8839071|my own house]] by [[Andrew Heathwaite]] | [[http://soundclick.com/share?songid=9101705|one drop of rain]], [[http://soundclick.com/share?songid=9101704|i've come with a bucket of roses]], and [[http://soundclick.com/share?songid=8839071|my own house]] by [[Andrew Heathwaite]] | ||
http://micro.soonlabel.com/orwell/daily20100721-gpo-owellian-cameras.mp3 by [[Chris Vaisvil]] | http://micro.soonlabel.com/orwell/daily20100721-gpo-owellian-cameras.mp3 by [[Chris Vaisvil]]</pre></div> | ||
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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html"><html><head><title>Semicomma family</title></head><body>The 5-limit parent comma for the semicomma family is the semicomma, 2109375/2097152 = |-21 3 7&gt;. This is the amount by which three pure 3/1 twelfths exceed seven pure 8/5 minor thirds. Orson, the <a class="wiki_link" href="/5-limit">5-limit</a> temperament tempering it out, has a <a class="wiki_link" href="/generator">generator</a> of 75/64, which is sharper than 7/6 by 225/224 when untempered, and less sharp than that in any good orson tempering, for example <a class="wiki_link" href="/53edo">53edo</a> or <a class="wiki_link" href="/84edo">84edo</a>. These give tunings to the generator which are sharp of 7/6 by less than five <a class="wiki_link" href="/cent">cent</a>s, making it hard to treat orson as anything other than an (at least) 7-limit system, leading to orwell.<br /> | <div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html"><html><head><title>Semicomma family</title></head><body>The 5-limit parent comma for the semicomma family is the semicomma, 2109375/2097152 = |-21 3 7&gt;. This is the amount by which three pure 3/1 twelfths exceed seven pure 8/5 minor thirds. Orson, the <a class="wiki_link" href="/5-limit">5-limit</a> temperament tempering it out, has a <a class="wiki_link" href="/generator">generator</a> of 75/64, which is sharper than 7/6 by 225/224 when untempered, and less sharp than that in any good orson tempering, for example <a class="wiki_link" href="/53edo">53edo</a> or <a class="wiki_link" href="/84edo">84edo</a>. These give tunings to the generator which are sharp of 7/6 by less than five <a class="wiki_link" href="/cent">cent</a>s, making it hard to treat orson as anything other than an (at least) 7-limit system, leading to orwell.<br /> | ||
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<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:2:&lt;h3&gt; --><h3 id="toc1"><a name="x-Seven limit children-Orwell"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:2 -->Orwell</h3> | <!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:2:&lt;h3&gt; --><h3 id="toc1"><a name="x-Seven limit children-Orwell"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:2 -->Orwell</h3> | ||
So called because 19 | So called because 19\84 (as a <a class="wiki_link" href="/fraction%20of%20the%20octave">fraction of the octave</a>) is a possible generator of this temperament, orwell divides the interval of a twelfth (a tempered 3/1 frequency ratio) into 7 equal steps. It's compatible with <a class="wiki_link" href="/22edo">22</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/31edo">31</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/53edo">53-EDO</a> and <a class="wiki_link" href="/84edo">84edo</a>, and may be described as the 22&amp;31 temperament, or &lt;&lt;7 -3 8 -21 -7 27||. It's a good system in the <a class="wiki_link" href="/7-limit">7-limit</a> and naturally extends into the <a class="wiki_link" href="/11-limit">11-limit</a>. <a class="wiki_link" href="/84edo">84edo</a>, with the 19/84 generator, provides a good tuning for the 5, 7 and 11 limits, but it does use its second-best 11. However, the 19/84 generator is remarkably close to the 11-limit <a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE tuning</a>, as the generator is only 0.0024 cents sharper, and it is a good approximation to the 7-limit POTE generator also; hence 84 may be considered the most recommendable tuning in the 7-limit. <a class="wiki_link" href="/53edo">53edo</a> might be preferred in the 5-limit because of its nearly pure fifth and in the 11-limit because of it slightly better 11, though most of its 11-limit harmony is actually worse. Aside from the semicomma and 65625/65536, 7-limit orwell tempers out 2430/2401, the nuwell comma, 1728/1715, the orwellisma, 225/224, the septimal kleisma, and 6144/6125, the porwell comma.<br /> | ||
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The 11-limit version of orwell tempers out 99/98, which means that two of its sharpened 7/6 generators give a flattened 11/8, as well as 121/120, 176/175, 385/384 and 540/539. Despite lowered tuning accuracy, orwell comes into its own in the 11-limit, giving acceptable accuracy and relatively low complexity. Tempering out the orwellisma, 1728/1715, means that orwell interprets three stacked 7/6 generators as an 8/5, and the tempered 1-7/6-11/8-8/5 chord is natural to orwell.<br /> | The 11-limit version of orwell tempers out 99/98, which means that two of its sharpened 7/6 generators give a flattened 11/8, as well as 121/120, 176/175, 385/384 and 540/539. Despite lowered tuning accuracy, orwell comes into its own in the 11-limit, giving acceptable accuracy and relatively low complexity. Tempering out the orwellisma, 1728/1715, means that orwell interprets three stacked 7/6 generators as an 8/5, and the tempered 1-7/6-11/8-8/5 chord is natural to orwell.<br /> | ||
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<a class="wiki_link" href="/Comma">Commas</a>: 225/224, 1728/1715<br /> | <a class="wiki_link" href="/Comma">Commas</a>: 225/224, 1728/1715<br /> | ||
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7-limit<br /> | 7-limit<br /> | ||
[|1 0 0 0&gt;, |14/11 0 -7/11 7/11&gt;, <br /> | [|1 0 0 0&gt;, |14/11 0 -7/11 7/11&gt;,<br /> | ||
|27/11 0 3/11 -3/11&gt;, |27/11 0 -8/11 8/11&gt;]<br /> | |27/11 0 3/11 -3/11&gt;, |27/11 0 -8/11 8/11&gt;]<br /> | ||
<a class="wiki_link" href="/Fractional%20monzos">Eigenmonzos</a>: 2, 7/5<br /> | <a class="wiki_link" href="/Fractional%20monzos">Eigenmonzos</a>: 2, 7/5<br /> | ||
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9-limit<br /> | 9-limit<br /> | ||
[|1 0 0 0&gt;, |21/17 14/17 -7/17 0&gt;, <br /> | [|1 0 0 0&gt;, |21/17 14/17 -7/17 0&gt;,<br /> | ||
|42/17 -6/17 3/17 0&gt;, |41/17 16/17 -8/17 0&gt;]<br /> | |42/17 -6/17 3/17 0&gt;, |41/17 16/17 -8/17 0&gt;]<br /> | ||
<a class="wiki_link" href="/Eigenmonzo">Eigenmonzos</a>: 2, 10/9<br /> | <a class="wiki_link" href="/Eigenmonzo">Eigenmonzos</a>: 2, 10/9<br /> | ||
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<a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE generator</a>: 271.509<br /> | <a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE generator</a>: 271.509<br /> | ||
Algebraic generators: Sabra3, the real root of 12x^3-7x-48. <br /> | Algebraic generators: Sabra3, the real root of 12x^3-7x-48.<br /> | ||
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Map: [&lt;1 0 3 1|, &lt;0 7 -3 8|]<br /> | Map: [&lt;1 0 3 1|, &lt;0 7 -3 8|]<br /> | ||
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<a class="wiki_link" href="/Comma">Commas</a>: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175<br /> | <a class="wiki_link" href="/Comma">Commas</a>: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175<br /> | ||
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<a class="wiki_link" href="/Minimax%20tuning">Minimax tuning</a><br /> | <a class="wiki_link" href="/Minimax%20tuning">Minimax tuning</a><br /> | ||
[|1 0 0 0 0&gt;, |14/11 0 -7/11 7/11 0&gt;, |27/11 0 3/11 -3/11 0&gt;,<br /> | [|1 0 0 0 0&gt;, |14/11 0 -7/11 7/11 0&gt;, |27/11 0 3/11 -3/11 0&gt;,<br /> | ||
|27/11 0 -8/11 8/11 0&gt;, |37/11 0 -2/11 2/11 0&gt;]<br /> | |||
<a class="wiki_link" href="/Eigenmonzo">Eigenmonzos</a>: 2, 7/5<br /> | <a class="wiki_link" href="/Eigenmonzo">Eigenmonzos</a>: 2, 7/5<br /> | ||
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<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:8:&lt;h2&gt; --><h2 id="toc4"><a name="x-Winston"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:8 -->Winston</h2> | <!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:8:&lt;h2&gt; --><h2 id="toc4"><a name="x-Winston"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:8 -->Winston</h2> | ||
Commas: 66/65, 99/98, 105/104, 121/120<br /> | Commas: 66/65, 99/98, 105/104, 121/120<br /> | ||
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<a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE generator</a>: ~7/6 = 271.088<br /> | <a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE generator</a>: ~7/6 = 271.088<br /> | ||
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<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:10:&lt;h2&gt; --><h2 id="toc5"><a name="x-Julia"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:10 -->Julia</h2> | <!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:10:&lt;h2&gt; --><h2 id="toc5"><a name="x-Julia"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:10 -->Julia</h2> | ||
Commas: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175, 275/273<br /> | Commas: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175, 275/273<br /> | ||
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<a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE generator</a>: ~7/6 = 271.546<br /> | <a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE generator</a>: ~7/6 = 271.546<br /> |