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||= {P8/2, P4/2} ||= half-octave, half-fourth ||= 25/24 &amp; 49/48 ||= decimal ||= deep yellow and deep blue ||= yy&amp;bbT ||
||= {P8/2, P4/2} ||= half-octave, half-fourth ||= 25/24 &amp; 49/48 ||= decimal ||= deep yellow and deep blue ||= yy&amp;bbT ||
||= {P8/4, P5} ||= quarter-octave ||= (3,4,-4) ||= diminished ||= quadruple green ||= g&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;4&lt;/span&gt;T ||
||= {P8/4, P5} ||= quarter-octave ||= (3,4,-4) ||= diminished ||= quadruple green ||= g&lt;span style="vertical-align: super;"&gt;4&lt;/span&gt;T ||
The color names indicate the amount of splitting: deep splits something into two parts, triple into three parts, etc. For quadruple colors, the multi-gen may be the major 2nd 9/8. For example, large quadruple jade tempers out (-17,2,0,0,4), and is {P8/2, M2/4} = half-octave, quarter-tone (9/8 is a whole tone). For hextuple colors, the multi-gen may be the minor 3rd 32/27. These intervals may also be voiced wider, as 3/1, 9/4, etc. To avoid cumbersome degree names like 16th or 18th, for degrees above 12, the widening is indicated with one "W" per octave. Thus 27/8 = WM6, 9/2 = WWM2, etc. Thus magic is {P8, P12/5} = fifth-twelfth.
The color names indicate the amount of splitting: deep splits something into two parts, triple into three parts, etc. For quadruple colors, the multi-gen may be the major 2nd 9/8, a whole tone. For example, large quadruple jade tempers out (-17,2,0,0,4), and is {P8/2, M2/4} = half-octave, quarter-tone. For hextuple colors, the multi-gen may be the minor 3rd 32/27. These intervals may also be voiced wider, as 3/1, 9/4, etc. To avoid cumbersome degree names like 16th or 18th, for degrees above 12, the widening is indicated with one "W" per octave. Thus 27/8 = WM6, 9/2 = WWM2, etc. Thus magic is {P8, P12/5} = fifth-twelfth.


For non-standard prime groups, the period uses the first prime only, and the multi-gen uses the first two primes only. [[Kite's color notation|Color notation ]]is used to indicate primes higher than 3. For example, 2.5.7 with 50/49 tempered out is {P8/2, y3} = half-octave, yellow-third (y3 = 5/4).
For non-standard prime groups, the period uses the first prime only, and the multi-gen uses the first two primes only. [[Kite's color notation|Color notation ]]is used to indicate primes higher than 3. For example, 2.5.7 with 50/49 tempered out is {P8/2, y3} = half-octave, yellow-third (y3 = 5/4).
In a multi-comma temperament, it's possible that one comma will contain only the 1st and 2nd primes. The 2nd prime is directly related to the 1st prime. If this happens, the multi-gen must use the 1st and 3rd primes. If the 3rd prime is also directly related, the 4th prime is used, and so forth.
For example, 2.3.5.7 with commas 256/243 and 225/224. The 1st comma splits the octave into 5 parts, and makes the 5th be exactly 3/5 of the octave. The multi-gen must use primes 2 and 5. In this case, the pergen set is {P8/5, y3}, the same as Blackwood.


Rank-3 pergen sets have three intervals, period, gen1 and gen2, any of which may be split. The unsplit 2.3.5... subgroup's set could be {P8, P5, y3}. However, to avoid higher primes, and more closely mimic conventional notation, it's better to reduce gen2 to g1 = 81/80. Since 81/80 is a perfect unison, it can be notated with an up symbol, and we have {P8, P5, ^1} = fifth-based with ups. However, if either the period or gen1 is split, ups and downs will be needed to notate the fractional intervals, and colors must be used for gen2.
Rank-3 pergen sets have three intervals, period, gen1 and gen2, any of which may be split. The unsplit 2.3.5... subgroup's set could be {P8, P5, y3}. However, to avoid higher primes, and more closely mimic conventional notation, it's better to reduce gen2 to g1 = 81/80. Since 81/80 is a perfect unison, it can be notated with an up symbol, and we have {P8, P5, ^1} = fifth-based with ups. However, if either the period or gen1 is split, ups and downs will be needed to notate the fractional intervals, and colors must be used for gen2.


Examples: Marvel (2.3.5.7 and 225/224, or reddish yellow) is {P8, P5, ^1} = fifth-based with ups (^1 = 81/80). Deep reddish (2.3.5.7 and 50/49) is {P8/2, P5, g1} = half-octave with green.
Examples: Marvel (2.3.5.7 and 225/224, or reddish yellow) is {P8, P5, ^1} = fifth-based with ups (^1 = 81/80). Deep reddish (2.3.5.7 and 50/49) is {P8/2, P5, g1} = half-octave with green.Triple bluish (1029/1000) is {P8, M2/3, ^1}.


A rank-4 temperament has a pergen set of four intervals. A rank-1 temperament could have a pergen set of one, such as {P8/12} for 12-edo or {P12/13} for 13-ed3, but there's no particular reason to do so.
A rank-4 temperament has a pergen set of four intervals. A rank-1 temperament could have a pergen set of one, such as {P8/12} for 12-edo or {P12/13} for 13-ed3, but there's no particular reason to do so.
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==__Derivation__==  
==__Derivation__==  


To find a temperament's pergen set, first find the **PGM**, the period generator mapping. This is a matrix with a column for each prime in the subgroup, and a row for each period/generator. Choose your generators so that all entries below the diagonal are zero. Graham Breed's website has a temperament finder [[@http://x31eq.com/temper/uv.html|x31eq.com/temper/uv.html]] that will find such a matrix. Next make a square matrix by discarding columns. These are usually columns for the higher primes, but may need to be lower primes, to ensure that the diagonal has no zeros. Lower primes may also be chosen to minimize splitting, see the Breed example below. Then invert the matrix to get the monzos for each period/generator. Add/subtract periods from the 1st generator to get alternate generators. If the interval becomes descending, invert it. For rank-3, add/subtract both periods and generators from the 2nd generator to get more alternates. Choose the alternates to minimize the splitting and the cents.
In a multi-comma temperament, it's possible that one comma will contain only the 1st and 2nd primes. The 2nd prime is directly related to the 1st prime. If this happens, the multi-gen must use the 1st and 3rd primes. If the 3rd prime is also directly related, the 4th prime is used, and so forth.
 
For example, 2.3.5.7 with commas 256/243 and 225/224. The 1st comma splits the octave into 5 parts, and makes the 5th be exactly 3/5 of the octave. The multi-gen must use primes 2 and 5. In this case, the pergen set is {P8/5, y3}, the same as Blackwood.
 
To find a temperament's pergen set, first find the **PGM**, the period generator mapping. This is a matrix with a column for each prime in the subgroup, and a row for each period/generator. Choose your generators so that all entries below the diagonal are zero. Graham Breed's website has a temperament finder [[@http://x31eq.com/temper/uv.html|x31eq.com/temper/uv.html]] that will find such a matrix. Next make a square matrix by discarding columns, usually the columns for the highest primes. But lower primes may need to be discarded, as in the previous example, to ensure that the diagonal has no zeros. Lower primes &gt; 3 may also be discarded to minimize splitting, see the Breedsmic example below. Then invert the matrix to get the monzos for each period/generator. Add/subtract periods from the 1st generator to get alternate generators. If the interval becomes descending, invert it. For rank-3, add/subtract both periods and generators from the 2nd generator to get more alternates. Choose the alternates to minimize the splitting and the cents.


For rank-2, we can compute the pergen set right from the PGM. For a period P and a generator G, let
For rank-2, we can compute the pergen set right from the PGM. For a period P and a generator G, let
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n ranges from -x (subtracting a full octave) to +x (adding a full octave).
n ranges from -x (subtracting a full octave) to +x (adding a full octave).


Rank-3 example: Breed is 2.3.5.7 with 2401/2400 = (-5,-1,-2,4) tempered out. [[http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=130_171_270&amp;limit=7|x31.com]] gives us this matrix:
Rank-3 example: Breedsmic is 2.3.5.7 with 2401/2400 = (-5,-1,-2,4) tempered out. [[http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=130_171_270&amp;limit=7|x31.com]] gives us this matrix:
||~  ||~ 2/1 ||~ 3/1 ||~ 5/1 ||~ 7/1 ||
||~  ||~ 2/1 ||~ 3/1 ||~ 5/1 ||~ 7/1 ||
||~ period ||= 1 ||= 1 ||= 1 ||= 2 ||
||~ period ||= 1 ||= 1 ||= 1 ||= 2 ||
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Next, search for alternate generators. Add/subtract the period 2/1 from gen1. Since the multi-gen P5 is split in half, one multi-gen equals two gens, and adding an octave to the gen adds a __double__ octave to the multi-gen. The alternate gens are WWP5/2 and P11/2, both of which are larger, so the best gen1 is P5/2.
Next, search for alternate generators. Add/subtract the period 2/1 from gen1. Since the multi-gen P5 is split in half, one multi-gen equals two gens, and adding an octave to the gen adds a __double__ octave to the multi-gen. The alternate gens are WWP5/2 and P11/2, both of which are larger, so the best gen1 is P5/2.


The multi-gen2 is split into quarters, so we must add/subtract quadruple periods and generators. Subtracting a quadruple octave and inverting makes gen2 be Wgg8/4 (Wgg8 = 96/25). A quadruple half-fifth is a double fifth is a M9. Subtracting that makes gen2 be gg7/4 (gg7 = 128/75). Subtracting M9 again, and inverting again, makes gen2 = (-9, 3, 2)/4 = Lyy3/4 (Lyy3 = 675/512). As gen2's cents become smaller, the odd limit becomes greater, and the notation remains awkward.
The 2nd multi-gen is split into quarters, so we must add/subtract quadruple periods and generators. Subtracting a quadruple octave and inverting makes gen2 be Wgg8/4 (Wgg8 = 96/25). A quadruple half-fifth is a double fifth is a M9. Subtracting that makes gen2 be gg7/4 (gg7 = 128/75). Subtracting M9 again, and inverting again, makes gen2 = (-9, 3, 2)/4 = Lyy3/4 (Lyy3 = 675/512). As gen2's cents become smaller, the odd limit becomes greater, and the notation remains awkward.


Alternatively, we could discard the 3rd column and keep the 4th one:
Alternatively, we could discard the 3rd column and keep the 4th one:
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||~ 3/1 ||= 0 ||= 1 ||= -1 ||  ||
||~ 3/1 ||= 0 ||= 1 ||= -1 ||  ||
||~ 7/1 ||= 0 ||= 0 ||= 2 || /2 ||
||~ 7/1 ||= 0 ||= 0 ||= 2 || /2 ||
Again, period = P8 and gen1 = P5/2. Gen2 = (-3, -1, 2)/2. We can add gen1 to gen2 by adding a double gen1 to the multi-gen2. A double half-fifth is a fifth = (-1, 1, 0), and this gives us (-4, 0, 2)/2 = 7/4. The fraction disappears, the multi-gen becomes the gen, and we can add/subtract the period and the gen1 directly. Subtracting a period and inverting makes gen2 = 8/7 = r2. Adding a period and subtracting 4 half-fifths makes 64/63 = r1. The pergen set is {P8, P5/2, r1} = half-fifth with red. This is far better than {P8, P5/2, gg7/4}. The prime subgroup uses a larger prime, 7, in place of a smaller one, 5, in order to avoid splitting gen2.</pre></div>
Again, period = P8 and gen1 = P5/2. Gen2 = (-3, -1, 2)/2. To add gen1 to gen2, add a double gen1 to the 2nd multi-gen. A double half-fifth is a fifth = (-1, 1, 0), and this gives us (-4, 0, 2)/2 = 7/4. The fraction disappears, the multi-gen becomes the gen, and we can add/subtract the period and the gen1 directly. Subtracting an octave and inverting makes gen2 = 8/7 = r2. Adding an octave and subtracting 4 half-fifths makes 64/63 = r1. The pergen set is {P8, P5/2, r1} = half-fifth with red. This is far better than {P8, P5/2, gg7/4}. The pergen set sometimes uses a larger prime in place of a smaller one, in order to avoid splitting gen2, IF both primes are &gt; 3.</pre></div>
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The color names indicate the amount of splitting: deep splits something into two parts, triple into three parts, etc. For quadruple colors, the multi-gen may be the major 2nd 9/8. For example, large quadruple jade tempers out (-17,2,0,0,4), and is {P8/2, M2/4} = half-octave, quarter-tone (9/8 is a whole tone). For hextuple colors, the multi-gen may be the minor 3rd 32/27. These intervals may also be voiced wider, as 3/1, 9/4, etc. To avoid cumbersome degree names like 16th or 18th, for degrees above 12, the widening is indicated with one &amp;quot;W&amp;quot; per octave. Thus 27/8 = WM6, 9/2 = WWM2, etc. Thus magic is {P8, P12/5} = fifth-twelfth.&lt;br /&gt;
The color names indicate the amount of splitting: deep splits something into two parts, triple into three parts, etc. For quadruple colors, the multi-gen may be the major 2nd 9/8, a whole tone. For example, large quadruple jade tempers out (-17,2,0,0,4), and is {P8/2, M2/4} = half-octave, quarter-tone. For hextuple colors, the multi-gen may be the minor 3rd 32/27. These intervals may also be voiced wider, as 3/1, 9/4, etc. To avoid cumbersome degree names like 16th or 18th, for degrees above 12, the widening is indicated with one &amp;quot;W&amp;quot; per octave. Thus 27/8 = WM6, 9/2 = WWM2, etc. Thus magic is {P8, P12/5} = fifth-twelfth.&lt;br /&gt;
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For non-standard prime groups, the period uses the first prime only, and the multi-gen uses the first two primes only. &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Kite%27s%20color%20notation"&gt;Color notation &lt;/a&gt;is used to indicate primes higher than 3. For example, 2.5.7 with 50/49 tempered out is {P8/2, y3} = half-octave, yellow-third (y3 = 5/4).&lt;br /&gt;
For non-standard prime groups, the period uses the first prime only, and the multi-gen uses the first two primes only. &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Kite%27s%20color%20notation"&gt;Color notation &lt;/a&gt;is used to indicate primes higher than 3. For example, 2.5.7 with 50/49 tempered out is {P8/2, y3} = half-octave, yellow-third (y3 = 5/4).&lt;br /&gt;
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In a multi-comma temperament, it's possible that one comma will contain only the 1st and 2nd primes. The 2nd prime is directly related to the 1st prime. If this happens, the multi-gen must use the 1st and 3rd primes. If the 3rd prime is also directly related, the 4th prime is used, and so forth.&lt;br /&gt;
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For example, 2.3.5.7 with commas 256/243 and 225/224. The 1st comma splits the octave into 5 parts, and makes the 5th be exactly 3/5 of the octave. The multi-gen must use primes 2 and 5. In this case, the pergen set is {P8/5, y3}, the same as Blackwood.&lt;br /&gt;
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Rank-3 pergen sets have three intervals, period, gen1 and gen2, any of which may be split. The unsplit 2.3.5... subgroup's set could be {P8, P5, y3}. However, to avoid higher primes, and more closely mimic conventional notation, it's better to reduce gen2 to g1 = 81/80. Since 81/80 is a perfect unison, it can be notated with an up symbol, and we have {P8, P5, ^1} = fifth-based with ups. However, if either the period or gen1 is split, ups and downs will be needed to notate the fractional intervals, and colors must be used for gen2.&lt;br /&gt;
Rank-3 pergen sets have three intervals, period, gen1 and gen2, any of which may be split. The unsplit 2.3.5... subgroup's set could be {P8, P5, y3}. However, to avoid higher primes, and more closely mimic conventional notation, it's better to reduce gen2 to g1 = 81/80. Since 81/80 is a perfect unison, it can be notated with an up symbol, and we have {P8, P5, ^1} = fifth-based with ups. However, if either the period or gen1 is split, ups and downs will be needed to notate the fractional intervals, and colors must be used for gen2.&lt;br /&gt;
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Examples: Marvel (2.3.5.7 and 225/224, or reddish yellow) is {P8, P5, ^1} = fifth-based with ups (^1 = 81/80). Deep reddish (2.3.5.7 and 50/49) is {P8/2, P5, g1} = half-octave with green.&lt;br /&gt;
Examples: Marvel (2.3.5.7 and 225/224, or reddish yellow) is {P8, P5, ^1} = fifth-based with ups (^1 = 81/80). Deep reddish (2.3.5.7 and 50/49) is {P8/2, P5, g1} = half-octave with green.Triple bluish (1029/1000) is {P8, M2/3, ^1}.&lt;br /&gt;
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A rank-4 temperament has a pergen set of four intervals. A rank-1 temperament could have a pergen set of one, such as {P8/12} for 12-edo or {P12/13} for 13-ed3, but there's no particular reason to do so.&lt;br /&gt;
A rank-4 temperament has a pergen set of four intervals. A rank-1 temperament could have a pergen set of one, such as {P8/12} for 12-edo or {P12/13} for 13-ed3, but there's no particular reason to do so.&lt;br /&gt;
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To find a temperament's pergen set, first find the &lt;strong&gt;PGM&lt;/strong&gt;, the period generator mapping. This is a matrix with a column for each prime in the subgroup, and a row for each period/generator. Choose your generators so that all entries below the diagonal are zero. Graham Breed's website has a temperament finder &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://x31eq.com/temper/uv.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;x31eq.com/temper/uv.html&lt;/a&gt; that will find such a matrix. Next make a square matrix by discarding columns. These are usually columns for the higher primes, but may need to be lower primes, to ensure that the diagonal has no zeros. Lower primes may also be chosen to minimize splitting, see the Breed example below. Then invert the matrix to get the monzos for each period/generator. Add/subtract periods from the 1st generator to get alternate generators. If the interval becomes descending, invert it. For rank-3, add/subtract both periods and generators from the 2nd generator to get more alternates. Choose the alternates to minimize the splitting and the cents.&lt;br /&gt;
In a multi-comma temperament, it's possible that one comma will contain only the 1st and 2nd primes. The 2nd prime is directly related to the 1st prime. If this happens, the multi-gen must use the 1st and 3rd primes. If the 3rd prime is also directly related, the 4th prime is used, and so forth.&lt;br /&gt;
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For example, 2.3.5.7 with commas 256/243 and 225/224. The 1st comma splits the octave into 5 parts, and makes the 5th be exactly 3/5 of the octave. The multi-gen must use primes 2 and 5. In this case, the pergen set is {P8/5, y3}, the same as Blackwood.&lt;br /&gt;
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To find a temperament's pergen set, first find the &lt;strong&gt;PGM&lt;/strong&gt;, the period generator mapping. This is a matrix with a column for each prime in the subgroup, and a row for each period/generator. Choose your generators so that all entries below the diagonal are zero. Graham Breed's website has a temperament finder &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://x31eq.com/temper/uv.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;x31eq.com/temper/uv.html&lt;/a&gt; that will find such a matrix. Next make a square matrix by discarding columns, usually the columns for the highest primes. But lower primes may need to be discarded, as in the previous example, to ensure that the diagonal has no zeros. Lower primes &amp;gt; 3 may also be discarded to minimize splitting, see the Breedsmic example below. Then invert the matrix to get the monzos for each period/generator. Add/subtract periods from the 1st generator to get alternate generators. If the interval becomes descending, invert it. For rank-3, add/subtract both periods and generators from the 2nd generator to get more alternates. Choose the alternates to minimize the splitting and the cents.&lt;br /&gt;
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For rank-2, we can compute the pergen set right from the PGM. For a period P and a generator G, let&lt;br /&gt;
For rank-2, we can compute the pergen set right from the PGM. For a period P and a generator G, let&lt;br /&gt;
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n ranges from -x (subtracting a full octave) to +x (adding a full octave).&lt;br /&gt;
n ranges from -x (subtracting a full octave) to +x (adding a full octave).&lt;br /&gt;
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Rank-3 example: Breed is 2.3.5.7 with 2401/2400 = (-5,-1,-2,4) tempered out. &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=130_171_270&amp;amp;limit=7" rel="nofollow"&gt;x31.com&lt;/a&gt; gives us this matrix:&lt;br /&gt;
Rank-3 example: Breedsmic is 2.3.5.7 with 2401/2400 = (-5,-1,-2,4) tempered out. &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=130_171_270&amp;amp;limit=7" rel="nofollow"&gt;x31.com&lt;/a&gt; gives us this matrix:&lt;br /&gt;




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Next, search for alternate generators. Add/subtract the period 2/1 from gen1. Since the multi-gen P5 is split in half, one multi-gen equals two gens, and adding an octave to the gen adds a &lt;u&gt;double&lt;/u&gt; octave to the multi-gen. The alternate gens are WWP5/2 and P11/2, both of which are larger, so the best gen1 is P5/2.&lt;br /&gt;
Next, search for alternate generators. Add/subtract the period 2/1 from gen1. Since the multi-gen P5 is split in half, one multi-gen equals two gens, and adding an octave to the gen adds a &lt;u&gt;double&lt;/u&gt; octave to the multi-gen. The alternate gens are WWP5/2 and P11/2, both of which are larger, so the best gen1 is P5/2.&lt;br /&gt;
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The multi-gen2 is split into quarters, so we must add/subtract quadruple periods and generators. Subtracting a quadruple octave and inverting makes gen2 be Wgg8/4 (Wgg8 = 96/25). A quadruple half-fifth is a double fifth is a M9. Subtracting that makes gen2 be gg7/4 (gg7 = 128/75). Subtracting M9 again, and inverting again, makes gen2 = (-9, 3, 2)/4 = Lyy3/4 (Lyy3 = 675/512). As gen2's cents become smaller, the odd limit becomes greater, and the notation remains awkward.&lt;br /&gt;
The 2nd multi-gen is split into quarters, so we must add/subtract quadruple periods and generators. Subtracting a quadruple octave and inverting makes gen2 be Wgg8/4 (Wgg8 = 96/25). A quadruple half-fifth is a double fifth is a M9. Subtracting that makes gen2 be gg7/4 (gg7 = 128/75). Subtracting M9 again, and inverting again, makes gen2 = (-9, 3, 2)/4 = Lyy3/4 (Lyy3 = 675/512). As gen2's cents become smaller, the odd limit becomes greater, and the notation remains awkward.&lt;br /&gt;
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Alternatively, we could discard the 3rd column and keep the 4th one:&lt;br /&gt;
Alternatively, we could discard the 3rd column and keep the 4th one:&lt;br /&gt;
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Again, period = P8 and gen1 = P5/2. Gen2 = (-3, -1, 2)/2. We can add gen1 to gen2 by adding a double gen1 to the multi-gen2. A double half-fifth is a fifth = (-1, 1, 0), and this gives us (-4, 0, 2)/2 = 7/4. The fraction disappears, the multi-gen becomes the gen, and we can add/subtract the period and the gen1 directly. Subtracting a period and inverting makes gen2 = 8/7 = r2. Adding a period and subtracting 4 half-fifths makes 64/63 = r1. The pergen set is {P8, P5/2, r1} = half-fifth with red. This is far better than {P8, P5/2, gg7/4}. The prime subgroup uses a larger prime, 7, in place of a smaller one, 5, in order to avoid splitting gen2.&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>
Again, period = P8 and gen1 = P5/2. Gen2 = (-3, -1, 2)/2. To add gen1 to gen2, add a double gen1 to the 2nd multi-gen. A double half-fifth is a fifth = (-1, 1, 0), and this gives us (-4, 0, 2)/2 = 7/4. The fraction disappears, the multi-gen becomes the gen, and we can add/subtract the period and the gen1 directly. Subtracting an octave and inverting makes gen2 = 8/7 = r2. Adding an octave and subtracting 4 half-fifths makes 64/63 = r1. The pergen set is {P8, P5/2, r1} = half-fifth with red. This is far better than {P8, P5/2, gg7/4}. The pergen set sometimes uses a larger prime in place of a smaller one, in order to avoid splitting gen2, IF both primes are &amp;gt; 3.&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>