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==Tipping points==


Removing the ups and downs from an enharmonic interval makes a "bare" enharmonic, a conventional 3-limit interval which vanishes in certain edos. For example, (P8/2, P5)'s enharmonic interval is ^^d2, the bare enharmonic is d2, and d2 vanishes in 12-edo. Every rank-2 temperament has a "sweet spot" for tuning the 5th, usually a narrow range of about 5-10¢. 12-edo's fifth is the "tipping point": if the temperament's 5th is flatter than 12-edo's, d2 is ascending, and if it's sharper, it's descending. The ups and downs are meant to indicate that the enharmonic interval vanishes. Thus if d2 is ascending, it should be downed, and if it's descending, upped. Therefore __**ups and downs may need to be swapped, depending on the size of the 5th**__ in the particular rank-2 tuning you are using. In the above table, this is shown explicitly for (P8/2, P5), and implied for all the other pergens. In the table, the other pergens' enharmonic intervals are upped or downed as if the 5th were just.
Removing the ups and downs from an enharmonic interval makes a "bare" enharmonic, a conventional 3-limit interval which vanishes in certain edos. For example, (P8/2, P5)'s enharmonic interval is ^^d2, the bare enharmonic is d2, and d2 vanishes in 12-edo. Every rank-2 temperament has a "sweet spot" for tuning the 5th, usually a narrow range of about 5-10¢. 12-edo's fifth is the "tipping point": if the temperament's 5th is flatter than 12-edo's, d2 is ascending, and if it's sharper, it's descending. The ups and downs are meant to indicate that the enharmonic interval vanishes. Thus if d2 is ascending, it should be downed, and if it's descending, upped. Therefore __**ups and downs may need to be swapped, depending on the size of the 5th**__ in the particular rank-2 tuning you are using. In the above table, this is shown explicitly for (P8/2, P5), and implied for all the other pergens. In the table, the other pergens' enharmonic intervals are upped or downed as if the 5th were just.
The sweet spot is narrower if the comma's cents are smaller, or if the number of lattice rungs it spans (the "rungspan") is larger. If the sweet spot contains the tipping point, and the 5th equals the tipping-point edo's 5th, then the bare enharmonic vanishes without any help from ups or downs needed.


Heptatonic 5th-based notation is only possible if the 5th ranges from 600¢ to 720¢. For every bare enharmonic, the following table shows in what parts of this range this interval should be upped or downed. The tipping point edo is simply the 3-exponent of the bare enharmonic.
Heptatonic 5th-based notation is only possible if the 5th ranges from 600¢ to 720¢. For every bare enharmonic, the following table shows in what parts of this range this interval should be upped or downed. The tipping point edo is simply the 3-exponent of the bare enharmonic.
==Tipping points==
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Removing the ups and downs from an enharmonic interval makes a &amp;quot;bare&amp;quot; enharmonic, a conventional 3-limit interval which vanishes in certain edos. For example, (P8/2, P5)'s enharmonic interval is ^^d2, the bare enharmonic is d2, and d2 vanishes in 12-edo. Every rank-2 temperament has a &amp;quot;sweet spot&amp;quot; for tuning the 5th, usually a narrow range of about 5-10¢. 12-edo's fifth is the &amp;quot;tipping point&amp;quot;: if the temperament's 5th is flatter than 12-edo's, d2 is ascending, and if it's sharper, it's descending. The ups and downs are meant to indicate that the enharmonic interval vanishes. Thus if d2 is ascending, it should be downed, and if it's descending, upped. Therefore &lt;u&gt;&lt;strong&gt;ups and downs may need to be swapped, depending on the size of the 5th&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/u&gt; in the particular rank-2 tuning you are using. In the above table, this is shown explicitly for (P8/2, P5), and implied for all the other pergens. In the table, the other pergens' enharmonic intervals are upped or downed as if the 5th were just.&lt;br /&gt;
Removing the ups and downs from an enharmonic interval makes a &amp;quot;bare&amp;quot; enharmonic, a conventional 3-limit interval which vanishes in certain edos. For example, (P8/2, P5)'s enharmonic interval is ^^d2, the bare enharmonic is d2, and d2 vanishes in 12-edo. Every rank-2 temperament has a &amp;quot;sweet spot&amp;quot; for tuning the 5th, usually a narrow range of about 5-10¢. 12-edo's fifth is the &amp;quot;tipping point&amp;quot;: if the temperament's 5th is flatter than 12-edo's, d2 is ascending, and if it's sharper, it's descending. The ups and downs are meant to indicate that the enharmonic interval vanishes. Thus if d2 is ascending, it should be downed, and if it's descending, upped. Therefore &lt;u&gt;&lt;strong&gt;ups and downs may need to be swapped, depending on the size of the 5th&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/u&gt; in the particular rank-2 tuning you are using. In the above table, this is shown explicitly for (P8/2, P5), and implied for all the other pergens. In the table, the other pergens' enharmonic intervals are upped or downed as if the 5th were just.&lt;br /&gt;
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The sweet spot is narrower if the comma's cents are smaller, or if the number of lattice rungs it spans (the &amp;quot;rungspan&amp;quot;) is larger. If the sweet spot contains the tipping point, and the 5th equals the tipping-point edo's 5th, then the bare enharmonic vanishes without any help from ups or downs needed.&lt;br /&gt;
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Heptatonic 5th-based notation is only possible if the 5th ranges from 600¢ to 720¢. For every bare enharmonic, the following table shows in what parts of this range this interval should be upped or downed. The tipping point edo is simply the 3-exponent of the bare enharmonic.&lt;br /&gt;
Heptatonic 5th-based notation is only possible if the 5th ranges from 600¢ to 720¢. For every bare enharmonic, the following table shows in what parts of this range this interval should be upped or downed. The tipping point edo is simply the 3-exponent of the bare enharmonic.&lt;br /&gt;
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This PDF is a rank-2 notation guide that shows the full lattice for the first 15 pergens, up through the third-splits block.&lt;br /&gt;
This PDF is a rank-2 notation guide that shows the full lattice for the first 15 pergens, up through the third-splits block.&lt;br /&gt;
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Alt-pergenLister lists out thousands of pergens, and suggests periods, generators and enharmonics for each one. It can also list only those pergens supported by a specific edo. Written in Jesusonic, runs inside Reaper.&lt;br /&gt;
Alt-pergenLister lists out thousands of pergens, and suggests periods, generators and enharmonics for each one. It can also list only those pergens supported by a specific edo. Written in Jesusonic, runs inside Reaper.&lt;br /&gt;
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Screenshot of the first 38 pergens:&lt;br /&gt;
Screenshot of the first 38 pergens:&lt;br /&gt;