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The patent val for some EDO is the val that you obtain by simply finding the closest rounded-off approximation to each prime in the tuning. For example, the patent val for 17-EDO is <17 27 39|, indicating that the closest mapping for 2/1 is 17 steps, the closest mapping for 3/1 is 27 steps, and the closest mapping for 5/1 is 39 steps. This means, if octaves are pure, that 3/2 is 706 cents, which is what you get if you round off 3/2 to the closest location in 17-equal, and that 5/4 is 353 cents, which is what you get is you round off 5/4 to the closest location in 17-equal.

You may prefer to use the <17 27 40| val for 17-equal instead, which treats 424 cents as 5/4 - and indeed this val has lower Tenney-Euclidean error than the 17-EDO patent val. However, while <17 27 39| may not necessarily be the "best" val for 17-equal for all purposes, it is the obvious, or "patent" val, that you get by naively rounding primes off within the EDO and taking no further considerations into account.

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You're dividing 81 by 80, so (assuming we're starting at zero, though it works no matter where you start) you add the steps for 81 (+196) and subtract the steps for 80 (-196). 196-196 = 0. This means that it takes zero steps to reach 81/80 -- in other words, 81/80 "vanishes".</pre></div>

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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html"><html><head><title>Patent val</title></head><body><a href="#Definition">Definition</a> | <a href="#A 12 EDO Example">A 12 EDO Example</a> | <a href="#xAn alternate and expanded example for 31 EDO">An alternate and expanded example for 31 EDO</a> | <a href="#How this defines a rank 1 temperament">How this defines a rank 1 temperament</a> | <a href="#How this relates to commas">How this relates to commas</a>

<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html"><html><head><title>Patent val</title></head><body><a href="#Abstract">Abstract</a> | <a href="#Definition">Definition</a> | <a href="#A 12 EDO Example">A 12 EDO Example</a> | <a href="#xAn alternate and expanded example for 31 EDO">An alternate and expanded example for 31 EDO</a> | <a href="#How this defines a rank 1 temperament">How this defines a rank 1 temperament</a> | <a href="#How this relates to commas">How this relates to commas</a>

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<h1 id="toc0"><a name="Abstract"></a>Abstract</h1>

The patent val for some EDO is the val that you obtain by simply finding the closest rounded-off approximation to each prime in the tuning. For example, the patent val for 17-EDO is &lt;17 27 39|, indicating that the closest mapping for 2/1 is 17 steps, the closest mapping for 3/1 is 27 steps, and the closest mapping for 5/1 is 39 steps. This means, if octaves are pure, that 3/2 is 706 cents, which is what you get if you round off 3/2 to the closest location in 17-equal, and that 5/4 is 353 cents, which is what you get is you round off 5/4 to the closest location in 17-equal.<br />

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You may prefer to use the &lt;17 27 40| val for 17-equal instead, which treats 424 cents as 5/4 - and indeed this val has lower Tenney-Euclidean error than the 17-EDO patent val. However, while &lt;17 27 39| may not necessarily be the &quot;best&quot; val for 17-equal for all purposes, it is the obvious, or &quot;patent&quot; val, that you get by naively rounding primes off within the EDO and taking no further considerations into account.<br />

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<h1 id="~~toc0~~"><a name="Definition"></a>Definition</h1>

<h1 id="toc1"><a name="Definition"></a>Definition</h1>

A <a class="wiki_link" href="/p-limit">p-limit</a> <a class="wiki_link" href="/Vals%20and%20Tuning%20Space">val</a> contains the number of steps it takes to get to each prime number up to p, in prime number order:<br />

&lt; [2/1] [3/1] [5/1] [7/1] ... [p/1] |<br />

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Thus, the way to get the p-limit patent val for N-EDO is to multiply &lt;1 1.585 2.322 2.807 ... log2(p) | by N. Then, since you can't take fractional steps in an EDO, you round the results to the nearest integers.<br />

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<h1 id="~~toc1~~"><a name="A 12 EDO Example"></a>A 12 EDO Example</h1>

<h1 id="toc2"><a name="A 12 EDO Example"></a>A 12 EDO Example</h1>

Multiplying 12 times &lt;1 1.585 2.322 2.807 3.459|<br />

yields &lt;12 19.020 27.863 33.688 41.513|,<br />

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which is the <strong>11-limit patent val for <a class="wiki_link" href="/12edo">12edo</a></strong>.<br />

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<h1 id="~~toc2~~"><a name="xAn alternate and expanded example for 31 EDO"></a>An alternate and expanded example for 31 EDO</h1>

<h1 id="toc3"><a name="xAn alternate and expanded example for 31 EDO"></a>An alternate and expanded example for 31 EDO</h1>

As stated above, the val contains the number of steps it takes to get to a given prime number, in prime number order:<br />

&lt; [2/1] [3/1] [5/1] [7/1] [etc.] |<br />

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Note that these are the same answers you would get if you multiplied 31 times &lt;1 1.585 2.322 2.807 3.459 3.700 4.087 4.248 | and rounded the result.<br />

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<h1 id="~~toc3~~"><a name="How this defines a rank 1 temperament"></a>How this defines a rank 1 temperament</h1>

<h1 id="toc4"><a name="How this defines a rank 1 temperament"></a>How this defines a rank 1 temperament</h1>

A val defines a rank 1 temperament by defining the deliberate introduction of an error into one or more primes. In 12 EDO, for instance, the perfect fifth (ratio 3/2, or exactly 1.5) is mapped to 700 cents, which is actually just barely flat: a ratio of 2^(700/1200), or 1.4983070769.<br />

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That doesn't make 31 EDO better or worse; it just means there's more error in the 3/1 ratio in 31 EDO than in 12 EDO. If you run these calculations for 5/1 using the patent vals for 12 EDO and 31 EDO, you'll find that 5/1 has more error in 12 EDO than in 31 EDO: 5.0396842 vs. 5.002262078, respectively. 31 EDO may therefore be preferred by people who like sweeter thirds (5/4 ratios) and are willing to have flatter fifths (3/2 ratios).<br />

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<h1 id="~~toc4~~"><a name="How this relates to commas"></a>How this relates to commas</h1>

<h1 id="toc5"><a name="How this relates to commas"></a>How this relates to commas</h1>

These deliberate errors ensure that certain commas get tempered out. The patent vals for both 12 EDO and 31 EDO temper out 81/80. Here are the calculations:<br />

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+The patent val for some EDO is the val that you obtain by simply finding the closest rounded-off approximation to each prime in the tuning. For example, the patent val for 17-EDO is &lt;17 27 39|, indicating that the closest mapping for 2/1 is 17 steps, the closest mapping for 3/1 is 27 steps, and the closest mapping for 5/1 is 39 steps. This means, if octaves are pure, that 3/2 is 706 cents, which is what you get if you round off 3/2 to the closest location in 17-equal, and that 5/4 is 353 cents, which is what you get is you round off 5/4 to the closest location in 17-equal.
+You may prefer to use the &lt;17 27 40| val for 17-equal instead, which treats 424 cents as 5/4 - and indeed this val has lower Tenney-Euclidean error than the 17-EDO patent val. However, while &lt;17 27 39| may not necessarily be the "best" val for 17-equal for all purposes, it is the obvious, or "patent" val, that you get by naively rounding primes off within the EDO and taking no further considerations into account.
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 You're dividing 81 by 80, so (assuming we're starting at zero, though it works no matter where you start) you add the steps for 81 (+196) and subtract the steps for 80 (-196). 196-196 = 0. This means that it takes zero steps to reach 81/80 -- in other words, 81/80 "vanishes".</pre></div>
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+ The patent val for some EDO is the val that you obtain by simply finding the closest rounded-off approximation to each prime in the tuning. For example, the patent val for 17-EDO is &amp;lt;17 27 39|, indicating that the closest mapping for 2/1 is 17 steps, the closest mapping for 3/1 is 27 steps, and the closest mapping for 5/1 is 39 steps. This means, if octaves are pure, that 3/2 is 706 cents, which is what you get if you round off 3/2 to the closest location in 17-equal, and that 5/4 is 353 cents, which is what you get is you round off 5/4 to the closest location in 17-equal.&lt;br /&gt;
+&lt;br /&gt;
+You may prefer to use the &amp;lt;17 27 40| val for 17-equal instead, which treats 424 cents as 5/4 - and indeed this val has lower Tenney-Euclidean error than the 17-EDO patent val. However, while &amp;lt;17 27 39| may not necessarily be the &amp;quot;best&amp;quot; val for 17-equal for all purposes, it is the obvious, or &amp;quot;patent&amp;quot; val, that you get by naively rounding primes off within the EDO and taking no further considerations into account.&lt;br /&gt;
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 Thus, the way to get the p-limit patent val for N-EDO is to multiply &amp;lt;1 1.585 2.322 2.807 ... log2(p) | by N. Then, since you can't take fractional steps in an EDO, you round the results to the nearest integers.&lt;br /&gt;
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   Multiplying 12 times &amp;lt;1 1.585 2.322 2.807 3.459|&lt;br /&gt;
 yields &amp;lt;12 19.020 27.863 33.688 41.513|,&lt;br /&gt;
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 which is the &lt;strong&gt;11-limit patent val for &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/12edo"&gt;12edo&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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   As stated above, the val contains the number of steps it takes to get to a given prime number, in prime number order:&lt;br /&gt;
 &amp;lt; [2/1] [3/1] [5/1] [7/1] [etc.] |&lt;br /&gt;
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 Note that these are the same answers you would get if you multiplied 31 times &amp;lt;1 1.585 2.322 2.807 3.459 3.700 4.087 4.248 | and rounded the result.&lt;br /&gt;
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   A val defines a rank 1 temperament by defining the deliberate introduction of an error into one or more primes. In 12 EDO, for instance, the perfect fifth (ratio 3/2, or exactly 1.5) is mapped to 700 cents, which is actually just barely flat: a ratio of 2^(700/1200), or 1.4983070769.&lt;br /&gt;
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 That doesn't make 31 EDO better or worse; it just means there's more error in the 3/1 ratio in 31 EDO than in 12 EDO. If you run these calculations for 5/1 using the patent vals for 12 EDO and 31 EDO, you'll find that 5/1 has more error in 12 EDO than in 31 EDO: 5.0396842 vs. 5.002262078, respectively. 31 EDO may therefore be preferred by people who like sweeter thirds (5/4 ratios) and are willing to have flatter fifths (3/2 ratios).&lt;br /&gt;
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   These deliberate errors ensure that certain commas get tempered out. The patent vals for both 12 EDO and 31 EDO temper out 81/80. Here are the calculations:&lt;br /&gt;
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