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**Mode numbers** provide a way to name MOS, MODMOS and even non-MOS rank-2 scales and modes systematically. Like [[xenharmonic/Modal UDP notation|Modal UDP notation]], it starts with the convention of using //some-temperament-name//[//some-number//] to create a generator-chain, and adds a way to number each mode uniquely. For example, here are all the modes of Meantone[7], using ~3/2 as the generator:
**Mode numbers** provide a way to name MOS, MODMOS and even non-MOS rank-2 scales and modes systematically. Like [[xenharmonic/Modal UDP notation|Modal UDP notation]], it starts with the convention of using //some-temperament-name//[//some-number//] to create a generator-chain, and adds a way to number each mode uniquely. For example, here are all the modes of Meantone[7], using ~3/2 as the generator:
|| old scale name || new scale name || sL pattern || example on white keys || genchain ||
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|| Locrian || 7th Meantone [7] || sLLs LLL || C Db Eb F Gb Ab Bb C || Gb Db Ab Eb Bb F __**C**__ ||
|| Locrian || 7th Meantone [7] || sLLs LLL || C Db Eb F Gb Ab Bb C || Gb Db Ab Eb Bb F __**C**__ ||


The octave inverse of a generator is also a generator. To avoid ambiguity in mode numbers, the smaller of the two generators is chosen. An exception is made for 3/2, which is preferred over 4/3 for historical reasons (see below). **__Unlike modal UDP notation, the generator isn't always chroma-positive__.** There are several disadvantages of only using chroma-positive generators, see [[http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/Kite%20Giedraitis%20method-Explanation%20/Kite%20Giedraitis%20method-Explanation%20/%20Rationale-Why%20not%20just%20use%20UDP%20notation?|Explanation / Rationale-Why not just use UDP notation?]] below.
The octave inverse of a generator is also a generator. To avoid ambiguity in mode numbers, the smaller of the two generators is chosen. An exception is made for 3/2, which is preferred over 4/3 for historical reasons (see below). **__Unlike modal UDP notation, the generator isn't always chroma-positive__.** There are several disadvantages of only using chroma-positive generators, see [[Naming Rank-2 Scales using Mode Numbers#Why not just use UDP notation?|Why not just use UDP notation?]] below.


Pentatonic meantone scales:
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See below.
See below.


===__**Why not just use UDP notation?**__===  
===[#Why not just use UDP notation?]]__**Why not just use UDP notation?**__===  


One problem with [[Modal UDP Notation|UDP]] is that avoiding chroma-negative generators causes the genchain to reverse direction frequently as you lengthen or shorten it, which affects the mode names. If exploring the various MOS's of a temperament, one has to constantly check the genchain direction. In Mode Numbers notation, the direction is unchanging.
One problem with [[Modal UDP Notation|UDP]] is that avoiding chroma-negative generators causes the genchain to reverse direction frequently as you lengthen or shorten it, which affects the mode names. If exploring the various MOS's of a temperament, one has to constantly check the genchain direction. In Mode Numbers notation, the direction is unchanging.
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Also, when comparing different MOS's of a temperament, with Mode Numbers notation but not with UDP, the Nth mode of the smaller MOS is always a subset of the Nth mode of the larger MOS. For example, Meantone [5] is generated by 3/2, not 4/3 as with UDP. Because Meantone [5] and Meantone [7] have the same generator, C 2nd Meantone [5] = C D F G A C is a subset of C 2nd Meantone [7] = C D E F G A B C. But using UDP, C Meantone 3|1 = C Eb F G Bb C isn't a subset of C Meantone 5|1 = C D E F G A B C.
Also, when comparing different MOS's of a temperament, with Mode Numbers notation but not with UDP, the Nth mode of the smaller MOS is always a subset of the Nth mode of the larger MOS. For example, Meantone [5] is generated by 3/2, not 4/3 as with UDP. Because Meantone [5] and Meantone [7] have the same generator, C 2nd Meantone [5] = C D F G A C is a subset of C 2nd Meantone [7] = C D E F G A B C. But using UDP, C Meantone 3|1 = C Eb F G Bb C isn't a subset of C Meantone 5|1 = C D E F G A B C.


Furthermore, UDP uses the more mathematical [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-based_numbering|zero-based counting]] and Mode Numbers notation uses the more intuitive one-based counting. UDP is mathematician-oriented whereas Mode Numbers notation is musician-oriented.
Furthermore, UDP uses the more mathematical [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-based_numbering|zero-based counting]] and Mode Numbers notation uses the more intuitive one-based counting. UDP is mathematician-oriented whereas Mode Numbers notation is musician-oriented.</pre></div>
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&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextTocRule:34 --&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Mode numbers&lt;/strong&gt; provide a way to name MOS, MODMOS and even non-MOS rank-2 scales and modes systematically. Like &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/Modal%20UDP%20notation"&gt;Modal UDP notation&lt;/a&gt;, it starts with the convention of using &lt;em&gt;some-temperament-name&lt;/em&gt;[&lt;em&gt;some-number&lt;/em&gt;] to create a generator-chain, and adds a way to number each mode uniquely. For example, here are all the modes of Meantone[7], using ~3/2 as the generator:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Mode numbers&lt;/strong&gt; provide a way to name MOS, MODMOS and even non-MOS rank-2 scales and modes systematically. Like &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/Modal%20UDP%20notation"&gt;Modal UDP notation&lt;/a&gt;, it starts with the convention of using &lt;em&gt;some-temperament-name&lt;/em&gt;[&lt;em&gt;some-number&lt;/em&gt;] to create a generator-chain, and adds a way to number each mode uniquely. For example, here are all the modes of Meantone[7], using ~3/2 as the generator:&lt;br /&gt;




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The octave inverse of a generator is also a generator. To avoid ambiguity in mode numbers, the smaller of the two generators is chosen. An exception is made for 3/2, which is preferred over 4/3 for historical reasons (see below). &lt;strong&gt;&lt;u&gt;Unlike modal UDP notation, the generator isn't always chroma-positive&lt;/u&gt;.&lt;/strong&gt; There are several disadvantages of only using chroma-positive generators, see &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/Kite%20Giedraitis%20method-Explanation%20/Kite%20Giedraitis%20method-Explanation%20/%20Rationale-Why%20not%20just%20use%20UDP%20notation?" rel="nofollow"&gt;Explanation / Rationale-Why not just use UDP notation?&lt;/a&gt; below.&lt;br /&gt;
The octave inverse of a generator is also a generator. To avoid ambiguity in mode numbers, the smaller of the two generators is chosen. An exception is made for 3/2, which is preferred over 4/3 for historical reasons (see below). &lt;strong&gt;&lt;u&gt;Unlike modal UDP notation, the generator isn't always chroma-positive&lt;/u&gt;.&lt;/strong&gt; There are several disadvantages of only using chroma-positive generators, see &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Naming%20Rank-2%20Scales%20using%20Mode%20Numbers#Why not just use UDP notation?"&gt;Why not just use UDP notation?&lt;/a&gt; below.&lt;br /&gt;
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One problem with &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Modal%20UDP%20Notation"&gt;UDP&lt;/a&gt; is that avoiding chroma-negative generators causes the genchain to reverse direction frequently as you lengthen or shorten it, which affects the mode names. If exploring the various MOS's of a temperament, one has to constantly check the genchain direction. In Mode Numbers notation, the direction is unchanging.&lt;br /&gt;
One problem with &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Modal%20UDP%20Notation"&gt;UDP&lt;/a&gt; is that avoiding chroma-negative generators causes the genchain to reverse direction frequently as you lengthen or shorten it, which affects the mode names. If exploring the various MOS's of a temperament, one has to constantly check the genchain direction. In Mode Numbers notation, the direction is unchanging.&lt;br /&gt;